Team Neos

They are really coming down in price. There are some running in the $10-$20 range these days.

I have to say that I think we edited ours about 3 times before posting it. Even using Word, we still found some things wrong. I wrote it and edited it, then hubby edited, then I re-wrote and edited it again and then hubby re-read it and we still found errors after I had posted it. So we are hoping that with all of that said and done it will read fairly well and folks will like it. We put alot of work into it to make it special for the series. And we hope that the location will remain a good one. Don't feel bad--It happens! When I was in college I did some field research that ended up being pretty interesting. I decided to present it at the national undergraduate conference. Naturally I proofread it before submitting the paper--and so did my professor, the writing center manager, and an English professor buddy of mine. The paper was accepted for presentation. (Yah, free trip to Texas!). They print an annual conference proceedings and publish a handful of the papers submitted. Five different judges read the paper and they each made corrections as well. It was accepted for publication --and naturally it went through another round with me, the professor, the writing center manager, and the English professor giving it a complete going-over before I finally submitted it for publication. I received my copy of the book, opened it up, and the very first thing I noticed was a grammar error!

If by "simply do virtual caches from now on" you mean you are only going to submit new virtual cache hides, I suspect you are in for even less fun. Never mind..the OP wasn't going where I thought and I am not inclined to help them journey where they are headed.

I also think that having one metal just for Indiana residents might be nice. I know we would buy one each for ourselves and still buy more coins in the other metal to use as swag, etc. I don't care about tracking and so forth, but I realize others do. Personally, I would like to see the price stay reasonable because I like to see them actually get put into caches for others to find. I think the big rush to collect every coin ever made is just about over anyway.

I found a traveler with both tags on it once. I figured the person who put it out was new to geocaching,or at least to travel bugs, and emailed them to let them know they should have kept the copy tag and offered to mail the copy tag back to them. They had already figured out why there were two tags, and were very happy to get their copy tag back.

It looks like they haven't been caching since April, and haven't logged onto the site since May. They may not have gotten your emails. Hopefully they have not suffered some personal tragedy that has kept them from caching. All you can do now is hope they get back to the site again, and come across your emails--or stumble across the TB and decide to drop it off in a nearby cache, even if they don't start caching again. Sometimes people take a break of several months and then begin again, I would not give up hope for your TB.

Hmmmm, smoke and mirrors maybe? Soemthing in that note from the reviewer that explains everything?

Not able to be definitely answered from the information provided. Some Toogs may be Gleems, in which case, they would also be Bloogs. Gleem-ness is not contraindicated by the state of Toog-ness in the statement above.

So far, you have not shown any bias toward your pal. To show bias, you will need to show us that the same reviewer who did not approve your pal's cache did review and allow someone else's cache of the same exact sort on the same day.

Um, I still suspect that the problem setting Leg #1 published as it was originally designed centered on the fact that you had to go to one specific webpage to get the information that would take you to the next stage of the cache. To me, that is the equivilent of having to email the owner to get the next set of cords. If you could--instead---go to one of any of a number of websites and find certain dates, etc and then calculate the cords to the next stage, I think it would have flown. The website could have perhaps have still been used, but just to double check that you calculated correctly before going out to the new cords. I would love to see the entire message that was sent to the cache creator by the reviewer--instead of just a quote. (No need to name names etc) How often have we seen the important information was left out of what was actually posted to the forums? As CO Admin has already made clear, there is no reason to speak of other caches. You can talk about other cache's until we are all blue in the face--the plain and simple fact is other caches don't impact this one. Yes, there may be other caches out there that use the technique the cache creator wanted. They may or may not "ought" to be out there--That's a moot point. It's a lot like one of my kids saying, "But Johnny's mother lets him do it" to me--If I think it's the wrong thing to do, my answer is still "Sorry, son, I am not going to get you do it". For all I know, Johnny's mother is right and I am wrong, that doesn't change the fact that I am not going to let my little sweetie do what Johnny did.

This is a rough draft of what I meant by using the symbols on the public domain open caching symbol:

Let's see...Wasn't your original idea to focus each year on a different part of Indiana history? You did covered bridges for 2005. The Wabash and Erie Canal theme would be a good theme related to Indiana. So would the Buffalo Trace The state icons might be an interesting idea for one year--perhaps four of them in outline shown on the open caching symbol. Mention of the states first residents might be cool --Tecumsah etc. (Though I'd probably avoid the removal of the Potawatomi ) Free blacks in Indiana and the history of the underground railroad would be good. There is an initiative to create a series of historic markers for known sites. There are many sites like the Levi Coffin House already designated historic sites. Of course, railroad history in general is tied to Indiana. Many small towns owe their existence to the railways. I am sure better minds than mine can come up with more clever ideas.

How does that fit with Scatter-brained Crab published only 2 months ago Hidden: 5/19/2006? Is this not housing data? Is this dozens of websites? What number of reasons would a person want this information? Not an attack, merely questions exploring this answer. Feel free to play the devil's advocate here. R. Ryan Miller TheWhiteBuffalo I understand what you are saying, and don't disagree. Of course, the obvious answers to your response is: 1) no previously existing cache creates a precedent for another cache 2) the guidelines are subject to alternative interpretation by various parties and your reviewer may or may not have done the same thing 3) your example may or may not be seen in the same way You may be able to find myriad other examples that are similar, but that doesn't answer the question (or get your cache published the way you originally wished). You could probably also find examples of caches that were turned down using similar data. I have also seen caches using webspace turned down for other reasons. Certainly I have seen denials because of having to download something, or sign up for something, or because there were ad banners running on the webpages. I can recall not too long ago someone being turned down for some cyptic puzzle because their puzzle required one particular enigma decoder, rather than just any decoder--and it had to be downloaded. There was another case where someone wanted to use a small downloadable graphic or some sort--a tiny programlet, and probably innocent, but not acceptable. The questions at hand remains "What is the intent of requiring a public website for puzzle caches?" and by extension, "What is meant by the teminology "public website"?

When I first read the guideline, I interpreted it to mean that a general interest website was fine, while one that had pages created expecially for the cache was not. In other words, there should be not one website created just to house the data, but perhaps dozens of websites that might have the information being sought, because it is something that many people might want to know for any of a number of reasons. Now that the questions has been specifically asked, I want to know if my interpretation is off the mark or not.

Yeah, I'm with Lil Devil. And perhaps stage four doesn't even have to move the whole 66 feet. Could you move it another 15 or 20 feet at least and eliminate stage 5? If it were the only stage that was too close, but it were a bit further, you might be able to beg and plead for an exception (Which is the tact to take, by the way). Couldn't the instructions at stage four just include the information about the fork? Or could it be in the hint?

I'm betting this one is easy... Did you find it while you were looking for the #4 cache in the series? Could it have been (GCMPDV) Sphereii Kikamus : Subspecies ?

You can delete it or encrypt it, but only the author can edit it. A quick friendly note asking them to change the part that you think gives away too much will probably result in a good edit. No panic about it, sometimes other people don't get as much from reading the logs as you do--What seems obvious to you may go right past most people.

Well, a couple of other thoughts. 1) they may have changed email addresses, and never got your lovely emails 2) they may have many TBs out there and not be tightly wound in the apron strings Yes, I know, it sounds heartless and cruel, but some people actually launch those poor defenseless TBs out there and just let them sink or swim on their own! It's good of you to be diligent, but please don't let it spoil your fun.

I agree with Tharagleb. It just doesn't jibe. Sounds a scene from a gradeschool playground.

Excellent progress! Have you found cache owners yet for the last three states? Delaware Montana New Hamsphire

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I think it's a great idea, also! My husband collects old glass also--so we would be thrilled to find that in a cache for swag. In fact, do you want directions to some really great caches in my area?

Later, when you are feeling more technologically advanced (and that will come sooner than you think!) you might want more...more maps...more ability to plug in data...more ability to create custom PQs etc. Your Legend will accept additional maps (for sale by Garmin), but I never did load any other maps onto my Legend. After awhile, I got interested in paperless caching and started using a PDA to save all the cache information. I chose to use Plucker and Spinner to get cache info into my PDA and easyGPS to get info into my GPS. CYBret has a step-by-step tutorial here. Still later we got new gps units with autorouting. We got topo and city maps for those units. Those do give directions that say things like "turn right at audobon parkway and continue 2.3 miles to fort street, make a left onto fort street" and I love that--but it isn't necessary. We found our first 300 caches without it and could have found thousands more (We just like gadgets and toys!). We also chose to switch to using Cachemate for the PDA and GSAK for getting the coords into the GPS and into Cachemate. I think the learning curve is harder on Cachemate and GSAK than on Plucker & Easy GPS, but they are more powerful, too, and let me customize the data.

Um, yeah, what Torry said--Don't let the technology overwhlem you. I know the learning curve seems steep now, but soon you'll be breezing through it. We started out with eTrex Legends, too, and really loved them. I like maps a lot. I am a visual learner, so I liked seeing the maps while I was trying to figure out how to get somewhere, or which cache to do next. When I knew that I was planning to go out for a day of caching, I would choose an area that had several caches I thought I might do. I clicke don the link on the cache page that said "see the closest caches" and used that map to create a 'custom' map I would use for the day. I chose the one cache closest to the center of the bunch, and panned around and zoomed in an out on that map until I had the view just how I wanted it. You can do this too, since you are a premium member. When I had a map I thought was just right, I printed that map out. I either clicked on "identify caches" and printed out the whole thing (so I had a list of the twenty caches nearest the center) or I hand-plotted them onto the map and labeled them. Sometimes I wrote additional street names on the map, if a street I was likely to use wasn't labled. I would get those street names off the mapquest maps on the cache pages. If there was a cache or two that looked tricky to get to (one way streets or dead ends around it, for example) I would print an additional map out for that cache. I found that the easiest way to do that, for me, was to right click on the map and paste it into an email, and type in the cache title. If I sized them just right I could get two or three maps on one email page.

It's worth a try. Can you afford to gamble the price of one travelbug? Yes, someone might just take it, and then you won't get it. However... If you don't put it out there to try it , you still won't get it.