GeoGeeBee

I don't know the internal workings, but I doubt that anyone reads the flagged logs at all. I'm pretty sure that it's just an algorithm that automatically deletes the log after it is flagged a certain number of times.

Roses have thorns. And some people like onions.

That's a horrible, horrible analogy. A geocache is not a human being. A child has rights on his/her own, a geocache does not. A human must be protected at all costs, while a geocache need not be so protected. Groundspeak is a listing service. They don't own the cache, so it is not theirs to give away. A cache owner who has vanished from this listing service might be active on another listing service, and the cache might be listed on another website. Again, Groundspeak does not own the physical container and its contents, and therefore cannot give it to a user without the owner's permission.

I'd vote it thumbs up... I'd love a challenge like that!

A benchmark is just a circle in a ground used by surveyors. Finding one has nothing to do with geocaching. At all... Benchmark hunting is a hobby, and is a legitimate one, might I add. But, If I was to see your Xbox Live gamerscore on Geocaching.com I wouldn't give two Zimbabwean billion dollar bills. Why, because video games have nothing to do with geocaching. Neither does benchmark hunting. You could argue that benchmarking is much more Similar to geocaching, then say, video games. Now, what about metal detecting. Should there be a count of gold rings you found on the beach on geocaching.com? Should we display letterboxes? Orienteering? Mountains Scaled? Anytype of outdoor activity? No... Not at all... Granted, finding a benchmark in the concrete sidewalk of an urban intersection is not very challenging. Try finding some that are out in the wild, one that hasn't been found a dozen times last month. Maybe one without a witness post and an orange spray painted arrow. oh, and the connection to geocaching? You get a set of coordinates from a website. You use your GPSr to reach those coordinates. You then find an object that has been hidden, it may be easy or it may be hard to locate. Then you log your find online. Same as geocaching. Except that some of them are buried.

Do most of us actually know this? It's the first I've heard of it. There are parks where visitors are required to stay on the trails. Geocaches in those particular parks should be on the trails. But National Forests have no such rules. Wildlife Management areas have no such rules. Most private land has no such rules. If it's ok with the land manager for visitors to go off-trail, then it's ok to put a geocache off-trail.

You can't archive it. Once someone has accepted and completed the challenge, it belongs to the community, not to you. You can, however, flag any logs that appear to be bogus.

This is actually a Google problem. This is actually Google providing those results. The site uses the Google API to get its location data. You can see it yourself by first Googling the zip code and checking the map and then searching Tryon, NC and view that map. Edited to remove "problem" because it could well be that Google is correct about the location of the zip code. 28752 is a really big zip code. While it's true that all of Tryon, NC is in the 28752 zip code, it is also true that according to the USPS database, the zip code is centered on Marion, NC. Those two towns are about 50 miles apart.

+1. Somebody make a feedback suggestion, and I'll vote for it.

I have never given a favorite point to a bush hide. But I have to say that I can imagine a situation where I might do so. My favorites are MY favorites. They are my favorites because something about them appealed to me. You are perfectly free to favorite a bush hide, or not, but you can't tell me what caches are my favorites.

Oh, but now that extra information is important. At least it's important to those who insist that "Challenges aren't caches and shouldn't count as finds." The single number is the total of caches found + challenges completed. By hovering over the little graph you can find out how many of those are caches and how many are challenges. So everyone gets what they want: Challenges should count! They do. Challenges shouldn't count! It's easy to find out how many "real" caches a player has found.

I don't seem to have the ability to flag bogus logs. I can flag a log as "prohibited," "offensive," or "spam," but not "obviously bogus." I find obviously bogus logs to be offensive. If the creator of the challenge said "do task A and then log this," and the person logs without completing task A, then they have violated the challenge creators rules, therefore the log is prohibited. If they have placed bogus logs on a number of challenges, that's spam.

Have you clicked the "flag" button on any of those logs? It looks as though only a few people doing that will cause the bogus logs to vanish.

I like my geocaching without agendas, thank you.

Awesome. First they tried to turn geocaching into Facebook. Now they've turned it into Craigslist.

You should probably have started a new thread. I assume you edited the puzzle so that solvers would be led to the new location? You can delete the NA log, but there's no need. The reviewer has already seen it. And posting an NA on a cache because he couldn't find it makes the cacher look bad, not you. Don't delete any of the "Found it" logs. If they found the cache and signed the log, it doesn't matter how they found it. If I were you I would log an "owner maintenance" log saying that I had checked on the cache, and that it is in the proper location, and that people would need to solve the edited puzzle to find that location. (There could be some who have solved the original puzzle but not yet gone to look for the cache.)

And those things are your only complaint? Big deal, mostly things they can still implement. Ownership and control over the logs is the only big difference I can see, and my gut feeling is that they chose to do it that way because a lot of those challenges will sooner or later become effectively ownerless, as it happened with a lot of the virtuals. So as a preventive measure, their solution was to not let the owners have any control to begin with. Maybe not a good solution, but worth a shot. The more I think about this, the more I like it. We, the users of this site, can take control. Flag the Challenges that don't require a visit to a specific location. Flag the logs that are obviously bogus. Create challenges that duplicate the "Virtual Cache" experience. Log good challenges, and ignore bad ones. Be the change! My initial reaction to Challenges was "meh." But now that I see the really bad ones being flagged and archived, I am starting to get interested.

Any user can flag a log if it is obviously bogus. Enough flags and the log will be deleted. Challenges are "owned" by the community, not the person who created them.

It matters if I'm trying to verify that the logs on the cache page match the logs in the paper logbook of a cache that I own.

But there is a reviewer. Or rather, there are THOUSANDS of reviewers. Someone is bound to see your challenge, say to himself "that's a geocache, not a challenge," and hit the flag button. If enough people do it, your challenge disappears.

c:geo appears to still work properly.

Tempting, but I don't think I care enough to even bother with that.

Maybe. But you'll need to ask on the Feedback forum, not here.

Hug your dog? Kiss a frog? Sleep????? Meh.

<slaps forehead> Wow! I wonder why no one has thought of that before! http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=271429 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=267244 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=271500 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=279107 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=266279 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=274723 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=267740