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  1. We call 'em "Tourons" (Tourist + Moron) in the Mammoth area, cuz about a dozen of 'em get killed up there EVERY year.


    Yep, we call them 'tour-ons' here in the Redwoods, too. This time of year you see about a thousand idiots, usually visually impaired to begin with, driving a motorhome so big that any other vehicle that size on the road needs a special permit, and the driver is only going 20 mph in a 55 zone so that they can crane their necks up to try and see the tops of 150+ trees. Why they can't pull over at the ample number of pull-outs, take photos (you know? they last longer!) and get the hell out of everyone else's way, I don't know.


    We have a saying around here: most folks that come here from somewhere else left their brains by their front doors when they locked them to leave.


    Now, saying that, I still love having tourists here, ESPECIALLY Geocaching tourists! In fact, most of our caches include historical data that most tourists (even locals) don't know. I hope they come away from this area with more than killer beach/sunset photos and McToys swag...


    That, and the area I live in is considered impoverished, due to the fact that without the local prison and the fluctuation of tourists this town we have gone broke completely when the fishermen and loggers left.



  2. I still have a lot to learn about setting up routes, but the following works for me:

    I'm planning a trip in August that will be 4 days out, sightseeing on the way, a few days in Oregon, and two days straight back to So. Cal. Interestingly enough, one of our stops is Crescent City, CA.


    I hope you get an opportunity to do some of our 50+ caches in the Crescent City area. A lot of them are being adopted now, be we still hid 'em. Too bad we won't be here when you arrive... we love meeting fellow 'cachers that visit. We have no problem buying the coffee (tea, milk, cookies, whatever)!


    But we'll be watching from our trip, so cache on, and enjoy the gorgeous 68 degree weather we've been having. :laughing:

  3. I'm revisiting this issue because I'm having a similar one...

    My family and I are moving from Crescent City, California (95531) to So. West Maine (04002). I know I need to break the route up into segments less than 500 miles each, and actually, that would be a great way to break up our days of travel.


    My issue: using Google Earth, if I just say that I want to go from point A (CC, CA) to point B (SW Maine), Google Earth picks the route. How, in GE do I insert stops? I've tried putting in 'pins' along the route, but maybe I'm missing something because it doesn't seem to be working. I mean, ideally, I'd like to say, my first leg is from Crescent City, via Klamath Falls, Oregon, on to Winnemucca, Nevada for our final stop for that day, then on to the next day.


    I did try saving points that were roughly 400 miles apart, but even though they are from city to city, when I closed GE none of it saved. I also have MapSend Topo 3.0 and DeLorme Street Atlas 2006 for PDA, if those would be easier to use for the 'cache along a route' feature of PQs.


    Any help would be greatly appreciated. We are really hoping to do as much caching as possible. I mean, we have to break up this trip somehow, while pulling a trailer and juggling two kids between two vehicles. The move is stressful enough. I sure could use some help.



  4. Sorry, but this argument and the others that follow don't cut it. Of course, we all want fun, interesting and challenging caches. However, holding off placing by using the excuse of waiting for the perfect opportunity to place a 'quality cache' is just an excuse for not getting out there and doing it. If most people seek, but few place, it reduces the opportunities for all.


    I'm sorry too, because now it really does sound like your are bemoaning the number of caches that you have to hunt, not truly a statement on whether or not this should be some type of 'rule'.

    Again I say, you really need to get out more, and by that I mean out of your area.

    But in the end it goes like this:

    - There is no ratio rule.

    - With the exponential number of new cachers joining everyday, you need to accept that an area can only bear so many caches.

    - Just read the logs about pocket caches and Geo-Cheaters - there are already enough rules and guidelines in Geocaching to make is enjoyable and safe. Don't confuse the issue with numbers.


    Considering the amount of time you've been Geocachers, compared with your number of finds, what if I wanted to make a rule that states that you have to record a specific number of finds per year of membership to truly be a Geocacher? I don't think you'd be pleased, because compared to others, your numbers wouldn't be able to keep up with some other cachers with thousands of finds who haven't been in the sport all that long.


    Complain if you want, but what the others stated is correct: forcing ratios on all other cachers would be dangerous, foolish and ruin the sport as a whole.

  5. The next thing you know, there is a guy named Vinny sitting in a van in my driveway, wanting to take back my toothless helper monkey. I was beside myself for weeks until I got Mr. Bubbles back. I am shaking just by thinking about it.


    Wow, they allow toothless helper monkeys named Mr. Bubbles in Pennsylvania?

    The thought of a toothless monkey gives me the shakes.... does he smile often?

    Don't bring him to California. The next thing you know he'll be insisting on his right to vote, collect social security and you'll have to pay extra taxes in order to feed and cloth him (I'm assuming he wears clothes?). Now THAT is a scary prospect...

  6. Back when my family and I first started caching, the only other local cacher made a huge deal about 'the ratio'. He implied that anyone who didn't hide at a five-to-one ratio wasn't truly a Geocacher (in other words: carp (from another thread... bear with me)), and he expounded on that to the point that we felt guilty for our lack of cache placements. Our first cache hide was out in the boonies, and only four people found it in four years, so we pulled it. After spending a few marathon caching days with 30-100 finds in a trip, we upped our ratio to 10:1. It has only been in the last year that I've realized how ridiculous that is. Quality is so much more important than quantity. In all fairness though, before we came along he was the only local Geocacher, with nothing to hunt unless he traveled over 100 miles in any direction.


    Find a few micros where the container is a CD jewel case (surprisingly not water-tight), or in a used Crystal Light container (cardboard), and then watch as the owners completely ignore requests to maintain those caches... the numbers become insignificant compared to the enjoyment, or lack of, during the find.


    If you yourself live in a cache-strapped area, and you take enjoyment of hiding high-quality caches, more power to you. Sit back and enjoy the logs as others find your caches.


    If you feel neglected because you are the only folks in your area who are hiding caches, leaving you little or nothing to find, then you need to get away from your area more often (you might see a new type of hide that inspires you). Or better yet, when new cachers pop up in your area, hold an event and encourage them to place a few well-thought out hides (be a mentor).


    In the long run, the quality of your hides will encourage others to meet or beat you, and it will give you all something to strive for.

  7. I am uneasy with this story, it doesn't sound right. This sounds like a "the reviewer wouldn't approve my cache" story. I am reserving judgement until the PM tells us his/her side...



    None of us participating in this discussion (so far) were actually present when the alleged social transgression took place. Who knows for sure what the actual circumstances were?


    Besides, everyone knows that being a PM isn't what dictates your status around here. Rank is based on your forum post count.




    Great, now we're trolling for trolls... suspicion runs rampant! Everyone! Hide your women and children!


    Me thinks thou shouldst turn down the troll-detection radar...


    In the American deserts, there are many dangerous critters living under the rocks. How do you navigate the desert safely? Don't turn over every rock!

    Sheesh. Do us premium members with five-years or more under our belts have to tell you noobs everything? :D:D:D

  8. Or, for *five* dollars per month, you can be a Gold Member. Now, unlike mere premium members, a Gold Member *is* superior. It's by invitation only, for starters. And you get neat additional features, like a forum spellchecker so that you spell "accurate" accurately.


    Hell, I'd pay extra for THAT! :D

  9. that's a carpy thing to do. :D


    Yep, that is truly carpy. In fact, it smells like carp. Good thing we didn't step in it. I sure would like to know who the 'premium user' was, I'd go knock the carp out of him/her.


    Frankly, the only time I ever know who is and isn't a premium member is here in the forums, or when someone I'm caching with tells me that they can't log a find because it is "member's only". Otherwise, we are all just carp in the same stream of muddy waters.


    It is highly likely that the 'newbie' will run into this so-called 'premium' idiot on the trail again, or at an event. Just make sure your friend is better educated in Geocache etiquette from this point forward. Chances are that the 'premium' idiot will have to explain themselves in a more public forum (not this one) in the future. Then they'll have to eat carp.


    Carp-e TB, I say!

  10. Man... get a TV and stay up late watching "SPIKE" for Pete's Sake!


    Girl's Gone Wild


    Well, see, I'm not of "that generation" apparently.





    That's cool, I guess I'm not either, being:

    1) female (and straight - I guess I should clarify);

    2) not the type of person that gets off watching drunk women make complete fools of themselves (or drunk men, for that matter, which is actually far more common, but those videos are usually aired on "COPS");

    3) and old enough to remember my first beer.


    Oh, and being a "child of the '60's" meant that I was born in 1960 and all that that implies, not that I was a flower-child, hippy, or draft-dodger... though I'm cool with all of that. I didn't truly "hear" Alice's Restaurant until many years later, and I certainly didn't get to hear the Joe and the Fish song until early in my adulthood, when it was more an issue of "hey! did you hear what he said? *giggle*", than anything that incited me to protest. In fact, I probably heard it first on Dr. Demento. Man, obfuscation RULES!

    *pre-requisite 'DOINK!' inserted here*



    /- Soon to switch coasts -\

    \- wondering if it makes me 'bi-coastal' -/

  11. I'm still trying to understand the logic of law enforcement in the town in which I live...

    The fire marshall shows up at every single call, whether it be a drug bust, a speeder, a "help, I've fallen and I can't get up!" call. I have yet to see only one police officer or sheriff show up at a traffic violation - usually a drunk driver (no accident, just breath 'em and bust 'em) illicits two city cops, a sheriff and one or two highway patrol (how ever many are in the area at the time).

    Jeez, Gadget. Haven't you ever listened to Alice's Restraunt? :laughing::rolleyes:


    "Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on

    Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the

    restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the

    church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and

    Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of

    room downstairs where the pews used to be in."


    Nope... never heard of it, child of the 60's that I am...

    Give me an "F" (F!)

    Give me a "U" (U!)...


    Remember, over 90% of us are law abiding and will do the right thing even when someone would never find out, but there are some that need "encouragment" to obey the law (Yes I'm talking to you people with a lead foot :rolleyes:) Others obey the law for fear of being caught. But there are a few who no matter what will do the wrong thing. This is who we are there for. I mean explain the stupid junk people do on COPS, and that is in front of a camera!


    I'm still trying to understand the logic of law enforcement in the town in which I live...

    The fire marshall shows up at every single call, whether it be a drug bust, a speeder, a "help, I've fallen and I can't get up!" call. I have yet to see only one police officer or sheriff show up at a traffic violation - usually a drunk driver (no accident, just breath 'em and bust 'em) illicits two city cops, a sheriff and one or two highway patrol (how ever many are in the area at the time). It isn't like these people are forcing the cops to chase them down and a call for back-up was made (my ham radio is tuned into the emergency freqs), it is more like they (the law) are bored and this is the only thing to do at the moment.


    NOW... this sort of concentrated cop behavior, according to your theory, would mean that all other non-law abiding idiots are chosing that moment to break into the local laundramat, molest an old lady on SS check day, etc. Sort of like how I know that when I see a highway patrolman with someone pulled over and he's standing next to the driver's side door, that I really don't have to slow down (and the people who do deserve my laser cannon straight up the tailpipe! :laughing: ), and probably won't have to worry about police presence for at least ten minutes in my rear view mirror.


    To answer Jeremy's question, any area that has an elevated level of illicit sexual activity going on could do with a neighborhood watch group, or a "Save Our Parks!" group. Some orange vests, some high wattage flashlights and a consistent presence would make Joey and Johnny Nude find someplace more appropriate to play, like behind the local grocery store. Crime does not suffer the presence of bright light and publicity for long.

  13. Just sitting naked at the picnic table is, of course, no problem. I agree, though, that the ol' hot dog incident belongs in private.


    Really? Not knowing that this obese man was spraying himself (thoroughly, I assume) with OFF! completely naked on this here picnic table that I was setting up the lunch to feed my kids just gives me the EXTREME willies/heebeejeebees/etc.


    Yes, there is definitely a problem there.

  14. We found a cache across from the parking lot at the state capitol building a few months back. We were escorted off the property (cache included) by gentlemen in uniforms! No one else had reported problems while hunting the cache so we were a little surprised. It is possible that there was extra security that weekend since Prez Bush was going to speak at the OSU graduation...maybe he was also going to tour the capitol.


    I think that was a very good reason to take the cache with us! I was in no mood to convince the officers to watch while we rehid the container! We placed that microcache container in the next large container we visited and then we called the cache owners. The micro was retrieved, and the listing disabled. Since then we have heard there has been a cache placed inside the capitol building. I think that one will join a few others on our IL.


    In this case, it was very appropriate to move the cache. (not like you had a choice)


    However, you did not take it, but rather moved it to a nearby cache and thus made it available for the owner to retrieve. I think that was the appropriate action in that case.


    I've taken several caches. I can't remember exactly how many, six or seven, I think.

    The Cleveland Metroparks has a geocaching permit program. The permits are good for up to a year.

    Occasionally a cacher will obtain a permit, hide a cache, and then lose interest in the hobby. When the cache is still active after the permit expires the park's Geocaching Coordinator will attempt to contact the cache owner. If she is unsuccessful she will log an SBA on the cache with an explanation as to why it should be archived. When it is archived she will go and get the cache or ask one of her volunteers to get it. The cache will be kept in her office for a few weeks, and then "recycled".

    As one of the CMP geocaching volunteers, the job of pulling these caches often falls to me.

    So I don't have a problem with removing caches, as long as the person with the authority to have the cache removed asks me to.


    This kind of falls into the category of the caching club example. When the owner placed the cache, they agreed to certain terms when they obtained the permit to hide it. As a CMP volunteer, that also explains why someone would single you out to pull the cache. Again, you were following a set policy and one to which the owner agreed to when hiding the cache.


    I will even stretch it a little further and say that in the absence of such an agreement whether with a local caching group or a park service that I might be persuaded to retrieve the cache if a reviewer requested it specifically on the cache's page. But even with a specific public request from TPTB on the cache listing page, I still would not touch it unless I was sure that the owner had indeed abandoned the cache. If the owner is active, it's up to him/her to deal with the cache.


    Does "whipping a dead horse" have one 'p' or two?

  15. The troll has spoken.


    Flush the thread... sheesh...


    Oh, yeah. Y'all are having too much fun...



    OT: I've been a Geocacher since way, WAY back... but rarely a forum reader/poster.

    What is it with the PIG?

    What is the PIG-thing?

    Why don't I know about the PIG?

    Do I want to know about the PIG?

  16. <snip>

    As for hunting for your own cache to check on it, that's known as maintenance. It's like having a kid; you have to feed it, help it blow it's nose, and all the other stuff. :anicute: </snip>


    Hey, I know parents who consider that babysitting... :grin:


    But one of our caches placed some years ago, I cannot find. It needs maintenance, and one cacher moved it, but 'doesn't remember where to'. The funny thing is, other people keep finding it! I've posted in the log that the next person to find it please move it to such-and-such cache (one I for sure know how to find), but nobody reads the logs anymore until they go to post. So, here is my 'lost' cache being found... by everyone but me.


    Back on topic, though... What about a husband and wife who ALWAYS cache together, he hides a cache, she logs it FTF as soon as it goes live, and then she hides a cache and he does the same. Go to the cache and nobody has yet signed the logbook. A father/son team in the same area do that all the time, too. And these people introduced each other to caching... I see an ugly trend occuring. I have invited them to our annual Event in hopes that they will recognize this for the cheating it is and cease.


    But really, what should I care? I mean, besides the fact that I'm an FTFW? Especially since we're switching coasts, it really isn't my problem, right? RIGHT?!? :)



    (aw, who am I kidding... I'll just go play NWN online and kill something)

  17. What did they mean by "lifeline"?


    When out on a hunt, you can call a friend who has found the cache before, and can help you find it if you're stumped.. This usually prevents a DNF, and the cacher gets to log a smiley instead.


    Ah... GEOCHEATING is what I call that.

  18. Its hard to say it situation is different I cant say that I would never remove a cache but I would make darn sure I had good reason, if a cache is placed againts the rules it would be best to email your local reviewer.


    What if emailing the reviewer, repeatedly asking for the cache to be archived, and still nothing happens? What if the cache is placed in a fragile environment and the GC traffic is destroying the area? What if muggles or wildlife destroy the cache container and the contents are strewn all over, leaving nothing of value to replace? Should the next cacher in remove the damaged goods, report it as destroyed and ask that it be replaced or archived? What if STILL nothing is done, months, sometimes years later?


    Yeah, flame me if you want, but there are appropriate times to remove a cache. :D

  19. We stopped on the side of the road that goes through an Indian Reservation to find a cache. After finding it, we had trouble getting the container open, so we brought it back to the car.


    A Tribal policeman came over and asked, in a not-friendly way, what we were doing. :D


    We said we were just taking a break. He said we could pass through the Reservation on the highway, but we were not allowed to stop. We continued on our way, with the cache in the car . . .


    That's racial profiling and I HATE that...

    Oh darn... I got myself started...

  20. The first webcam I knew of was this GC66FB, and the hardest part is getting someone else to stay behind and man the webcam (take the photo) while the rest of us are outing having fun Geocaching.

    So, yes... it has been done.


    There are no original thoughts, but there are original thinkers. I just thank you for putting out more caches to hunt, whether or not I have a boat to hunt them! :D

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