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I'm not going to look for your exact criteria, but here's a screenshot of a map with OtherCachingSite only caches. I don't know how many of those were archived on geocaching.com. ETA: In case you are wondering about the number, it's over 7000.

I was talking about archived caches, not geotrashes. Not all archived caches are rotten and worthless junk, as you seem to assume.

Why shouldn't it be a strict rule? I named two reasons in the post you quoted. Groundspek also can't enforce it, because, again, the cache is property of the owner. The only thing they could do is banning the owner from their site because of violating said guideline (not rule).

I'm quite sure you're not (no longer?) allowed to mention other listing services in the cache descripton, at least in my area. Maybe mentioning it in a note or the archive log is tolerated.

That is not mentioned in the links you provided. The guidelines say that the owner has to remove the container two months after the listing was archived on geocaching.com (at latest). If that was a strict rule, it would imply that you are * not allowed to submit the same cache to other listing services or archive it on those other sites, too * not allowed to leave the container in place as a part of a scavanger hunt (or for any other purpose) for non-geocaching friends once it was listed at geocaching.com. I might just be done with Groundspeak's listing service and not with the hide. If you mean the owner, yes. It's fine that owners are encouraged to clean up after they're done with the cache, but it's ridiculous to interpret that as a strict rule.

I agree that this is gaming the system, and I didn't mean to relist the same cache on Groundspeak servers. What I had in mind was personal information like a mail or blog, so no, they wouldn't get a +1 to their find count. Probably they wouldn't even be "official geocachers" at all. Would they go for it? I hope so, if they are in the area. However, I don't agree with the statement that Groundspeak is turning a blind eye to geolitter by allowing logs on archived caches. There would be no difference in the number of geotrashes if they didn't, but there would be a lot more complpaints because of the legit reasons already stated in this thread.

Of course. And once it's archieved on geocaching.com, Groundspeak's guidelines no longer apply. If I want to leave the container in place for a few friends to find (or for whatever other reason), that's on me and none of your or Groundspeaks business anymore. After all, the cache is my property, right? You think people shouldn'tt get credit for finding an archived cache, I get that. But I don't get why. Why does that bother you so much that you keep this thread going on and on even if most (all?) participants in here don't agree with you?

Thank you, much appreciated. Native English speakers don't need to worry much, because that's the fallback language almost everywhere. In Europe it's not unusual if children learn up to three or four foreign languages in school. Nevertheless most of the logs are written in the language that the author knows best.

Das rahme ich mir ein, zumindest virtuell.

This is one example I remember: Travel Cache

Seconded. If the posted coordinates take you to stage 1 and all information you need is in the listing, it's usually a Multi around here. If they are bogus and you have to do some homework before you know where to go, it's a Mysti. But I've also seen caches like that listed as Mystery and the reviewer was fine with that.

Thanks, I think this is a little bit closer to what it actually means (war instead of warrior), but it's still... how do I put that without violating the forum guidelines... not a question and ends with "for us" according to google translate. I think it should mean something like "Who needs the war?", right? And I thought Czech is hard. Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't know any native speakers and am still curious..

When I find a cache abroad, I'll log in English or the language of the country, if I'm capable to do so. Some people in my area always log in English, but they are in the minority. Most people will log in the language they are used to speak, and if I ever come to Russia I'll not rely on Google tranlate, too. I learned that lesson when I tried to translate "На хрена нам воина" online.

I've tried Eneloop XX with 2500 mAh (I think) and had to toss them all away last year. They lose capacity much faster as the standard ones, so after a few days/weeks you're at 2000 mAh anyway. And they didn't last very long, it seems they degrade over time, not only because of recharge cycles. So I'm back to the old Eneloops.

I really don't get your point. Obscuring the coordinates won't magically remove the geo-trash, it also makes it nearly impossible for anybody else to pick it up. Locking the listing for finds after archival is also not a good idea, what if I found it before that but didn't have time to log it online? Team splits, children who found caches with their parents and created their own account, there are perfectly fine reasons to log archived caches as found - if you found them. That said, I think the system as it is now doesn't need any tweaking. You can't search for archived caches unless you know the GC number. If there is a problem with bogus logs on an archived cache, HQ can lock it. I'm quite sure the proposed solutions to the problem I don't understand would cause more trouble than there is now.

I've wasted four years learning Italian with a horrible teacher, and the only phrase I remember is "Scusi, mi sa dire da quale binario parte il treno a Napoli?" This sentence gets you everywhere.

The only country I've been to where this is not the case is France. Everywhere else they try to understand you, even if your pronounciation is really bad and you make a lot of grammar mistakes. We've got the "Kauderwelsch Sprachführer" (gibbersish language guide) for almost any language/country available in German here, maybe there's a similar concept in English, too. In South America our driver started to laugh out loud as I was using it and ripped the book out of my hands, just to see what other phrases were translated there.

That's like arguing that hiking is a computer game because you look up the trail descriptions online. Yes, it is part of the adventure, but it's not what it's all about. Geocaching is not a game to me, I don't compete against others and I will never win. Nobody else will win that "game" and beat me, also.

One of the main points that make Geocaching interesting for me is to get away from the computer and see what's out there. Yes, you can attend an event virtually and log it as attended, as long as the host is fine with that. It's an utterly stupid thing to do, but well, so is geocaching. If somebody wants to make a computer game out of it, I'm out.

A few days ago I found one of those and it was more fun than I expected. It was hidden at an underground car park, so I went looking for GZ on the surface before . Ok, there it is, just one story lower. I thought I would easily remember where to go, but nope. Everything was different down there and I lost orientation very soon, so I went to the next car ramp where my GPSr had contact with the powers above again .Okay, 100m in 'that' direction, so I counted my steps and ended up right at the box. I still wonder how the hider managed to get precise coordinates.

In my area caches like the one pictured in LoneR's post are usualy available to all members. If you have to put some work into getting to GZ, there's no need to exclude basic members. Gadget caches hidden in an urban area are most likely PMO and get far more FPs. That's why favorite points are quite useless for me. If you feel the same way, please like this post and subscribe to... no wait, I messed up something there.

I agree that NM would have been ok to log, too. But I haven't found that cache and was only assuming it is hidden on the structure because of the high T rating, so I chose to write a note first.

You can't know where the limit is if you don't step across the border from time to time.

Latest example, there was a cache hidden at a structure I pass by nearly every day. First there was a fenced-off construction zone and I decided to write a note, because GZ was not legally accessible, but the cache might still be in place. The owner responded promptly and disabled the listing. After a few days the whole structure was removed, so the cache is surely gone now. I wrote another note, knowing the owner will read it and after a few days another cacher reported that the structure was removed. Guess what, he also wrote a note. No DNF, no NM, no NA. The owner knows what is going on, and so does everybody else. If he shouldn't react to that after a reasonable ammount of time, there will be a NA and the reviewer will take care of it. Untli then, the community can handle the situation without any algorithm or reviewer intervention.