Pantalaimon

I think the National Park Service was a great idea. You know, a little of the ole' turn-the-other-cheek. A little bit of ironic good will from Geocaching.com. Tells them we won't sink down to their level. Geocaching.com is the better person. Maybe I'm just rambling. Either way, great idea. I don't have a digital camera yet to submit any pictures... but I'll vote! Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

Hey Jomarac5, I can answer question 1 for you now. The answer is "yes." Look here.. Granted, one could argue that the pictures are being voluntarily submitted for the purpose of creating the calendar... but hypothetically, I could thumb through all the pictures posted to geocaching.com and submit them... because gc.com has the right to use them already. Comments? Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

I think DeskJocky meant the December 30th log in his above post. This cache sounds just like what you're planning. It is also located on a mountain side ski area in Maine. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

I did this cache a while ago, but if I remember correctly, the cache is a 48 gallon blue plastic storage bin. It's in a depression in the earth and surrounded by logs, so its pretty tricky to find. The cache is a "jackpot" cache that you get the coordinates to by doing four other multicaches. It was fun. I actually took a board game as a prize from this one. That's a big item. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

Hey BrianSnat and carleenp, thanks for demonstrating your gramatically superior skills. Sorry for my woefully inaccurate poll selection. Luckily, you two were there to show off. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by TEAM 360:I sprayed it with a rust converter/stopper... Rest stopper? Pft, come on, you've got to vacuum seal that puppy! Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

Do you think new mapping software really exists? We've been given deadlines time and time again when the software is due to go on-line, but then ... nothing. I'm beginning to think Jeremy is just teasing us. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:Uh oh, Spin360, your name is pretty close to Team360. I hope he doesn't quit again (Just kidding, Jeff) Cold. Funny. But cold. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight:Speaking of Buzz Words. Pimp, Propoganda? I'm seeing more of the anti-religion pimping and propoganda in this thread than vice versa. Thank goodness for that. We're trying to balance it out with what we're subjected to in the caches. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

No, no, I know you're not trying to bait me. I was just trying to get a grasp on your POV. I think we're on the same page too. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by TEAM 360:Simple guideline about logs: type 'em like your Mom is gonna be the next one to read them... I like that advice. But what if my mom is George Carlin!! Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by drat19:In reply to where you cited me directly: I agree that we ought not to use the "known offensive" terms when others will suffice (case in point: in my log about the disturbing New Orleans cache I went to that I linked elsewhere, I used the term "men's alternative lifestyle", but I also cited the fact the one man who we saw in those woods had his pants in an obviously undone condition...but I danced around what was REALLY going on through creative use of verbiage), but therein lies the very heart of the problem: Corporate America (where I live during the days) as well as politically-correct America (where we are all forced to live) has created this soft "code speak" language, where we can get away with making offensive comments by using inoffensive language. I guess I'm just ranting now (I think I'm channeling George Carlin...those times when he's funny but he's really deadly serious), but I'm just fed up with having to use this language to say the very same things Hammack was trying to say in his uncensored format. Apparently this is what we've come to. -Dave R. in Biloxi Well now, I'm confused. Do you "agree that we ought not to use the 'known offensive' terms when others will suffice," or are you "fed up with having to use this [code-speak] language ..." and think that "this is what we've come to." (Seeming to imply that "this" is a bad thing.) Your log seemed appropriately written to me. I wouldn't question it, but someone else might, and I welcome that discussion. At any rate, and OT, we both agree that you shouldn't have had to have the experience you did have on that geocache. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

Somehow, I don't quite know how, but somehow I find it ironic that a group of people who are most intent on telling others the correct way to live their lives (the devotely religious) are the ones who would voice the most concern about someone removing religious materials from a cache. With that said, I've come across religious stuff I had no interest in, I left it where it was and moved on. My girlfriend, however, she usually burns the whole cache as a sacrafice to her gods. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

[Edited 9/10/03 4:45 p.m. Bold items added or corrected.] I guess I'll respond because I started the debate in the other thread, and ultimately, I guess it was some of my comments that contributed to the thread being locked down. It seems I have a pretty strong record of participating in threads that ultimately get locked, let's see if I can avoid that here. My point with my post was that, upon being directed to an interesting (albeit scary) story in a log, I came across a questionable comment. When I come across such blatent derogatory comments I choose to question them, rather than just "let them go." I think the comment (while not particular offensive to me, RK) could be offensive to some. So I questioned it. I will always question such behavior when I come across it, and I expect any behavior of mine of a questionable nature be questioned also. (That's a lot of questions.) Anyway, I'm sure, on occasion, I've been know to toss around a derogatory comment or three, and I would expect on such occasions, for people to call me on my behavior. I'm not trying to censor anyone, or be the cache log police, I'm just hoping that conversation on such a topic will make people think twice about posting such a log. I don't agree with RK when he says that whatever you want to post is between you and the cache owner. I can imagine some pretty ugly behavior if that's the standard. I do agree with Drat19's recommendation of "calling it how you see it" in your cache log, but does this mean that you have to use terms such as the one used in that log? (I fear that quoting the word(s) will lock the thread. Again.) I think not. I think the situation could have been called like it was seen without potential offense to a huge group of people, a majority of which would probably also demonize such behavior. Further, if this log is demonstrative of how someone is "seeing it," then s/he probably has larger issues than can be discussed in the forums. Lastly, I don't think I've been overtly accused of it yet, but before I am accused as doing such, please keep in mind that I never suggested that any log should be edited, deleted, made G rated, made unoffensive to everyone, be subjected to rules or regulations on what you can and cannot include, etc. I simply asked the log author whether the comment was necessary or appropriate. And I ask you the same. Also, remember this bit of wisdom, "profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate, @$$hole." Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by TEAM 360:I wonder how many people posted to this thread while they are at work? Does your boss know that you are surfing geocaching.com while on the clock? Maybe the supervisor there should install a program to track the websites visited, in order to increase efficiency. Just playing devils advocate here. Well, if this is the devil's argument, from his advocate, then I agree with the devil. The devil knows that it would cut down on my unproductivity at work. I see nothing wrong with installing a system to monitor your workers' web use. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by ScottAS36:I think they would rather be called queers now. Ah, I see the problem here. You guys are right, I give up. I actually had an experience similar to this at a local park. I was attempting to recover some of the legs of a moving cache I created before the law brought down the hammer on moving caches. ANyway, one of the legs was hidden near a pathway in a more secluded section of the park. When I approached the area, because I knew where the container was hidden from previous maintenance visits, a guy was walking on the path the other way. So, I slowed down as he approached so I wouldn't pass the spot before him. As we passed each other I saw him staring at me out of the corner of my eye. I choose not to make eye contact. So, after he passed, I was approaching the spot I needed to stop at, so I looked back to see if he was moving on. Well, he was about 20 feet past me. Stopped. Turned around. Watching me. I kept moving. I was somewhat familiar with the area, so I kept moving and made the STUPID mistake of taking a left onto a unpaved pathway that I knew circled around. This must have looked to the guy like an open invitation to meet me in the woods. So, I bolted up the path a bit, looking for a good weapon, then I stopped looking through the brush to see if the guy moved on. Nope, here he comes up the pathway, so I bolt around in the circle back to the paved pathway, and among other people. At this point, it seemed I lost him, so I grabbed the container and returned to my car. I bet he was cursing me out as a "dadgum hetero." Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by SamLowrey:I find it telling when groups don't want to be called what they are. If someone called me a "hetero" I wouldn't be offended in the least.... I don't know if this is the place for this, but I'll bite. I've been locked down enough times in the forums to not really care if I kill another thread with my inappropriate posts. By your argument above, if you're white and don't mind being called "cracker" or "honkey" or whatever the current derogatory term for white is, does that mean its okay for you to use other derogatory terms for other races? In civilized society it solely YOUR opinion of what is and is not offensive that controls your actions and words, or do the opinions of others, in general, affect what you do or say? All I'm saying here is that the useage of the term in the log seemed quite derogatory, and while the circumstances in which it was used might have envoked its usage, and perhaps even understandably so, is it appropriate in a public venue? Maybe not. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by TEAM 360:Oh, don't get me wrong, I am sure they are "increasing efficiency". I just don't like the fact that someone who is trying to work hard to support his family is treated no better than a prisoner with an electronic ankle collar, even if only for 8 hours a day. Now, if the tracking program was to be a TEMPORARY thing, to establish better routes and avoid heavy traffic patterns, I wouldn't feel so strongly about it. So they need to get another truck out there? Use the RADIO and call for one. Permanent implementation of this program is nothing but an expensive high-tech excuse to spy on workers. I just don't personally care for this idea. What's wrong with knowing where a government owned garbage truck is at all times? Even if they are using it to "spy on the drivers," they are either doing what they should be or not. If they are not, and they find out because of this system, I'm not opposed. What are the privacy rights with regards to location of a government employee while on duty? What possible right could be infringed upon here. Of course, there will always be the obligatory "slippery slope, soon there will be GPS chips inserted into the brains of every child" argument. But this is a step down the slope with which I have no problem. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by hammack:No. It wasn't necessary, just funny. Ah, gay-bashing=funny. Sorry, I forgot that rule of comedy. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

Granted, no one should feel like they are being stalked while geocaching, or anywhere else for that matter, but is use of the word "homo" in a derogatory manner really necessary in your on-line log? Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by TotemLake: Did a volunteer just pipe up? I have no where near the HTML abilities as that web page deserves. I've seen some great web pages, with nice background, pictures, different font sizes, colored font, BOLDING! SMILYS! DANCING FLYING PIGS!!! EVEN ITALICS! I don't know how to do all that stuff. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by Snoogans:That was Andy Andy. Lol! I just noticed that. That really fits you Pan. I'm confused by your post. Can you explain it more. Specifically, I don't know why you wrote Andy twice. And I'm confused as to whether the character was Andy... or whether someone in the thread was named Andy. Second, why does that fit me? I'm con-fus-ed. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

Maybe some one could help 360 brush up the look of the cache page. No offence, its a great idea that was well done... maybe the page should reflect the importance of the cache. Just a thought. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

quote:Originally posted by El Diablo:If you want to put a really interesting twist to it...we could place a Bounty on his capture. El Diablo That would be awesome. Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"

I'd like in on this, if someone is so inclined. Can I be that manic who stalked Diane? Pan What does anybody want? I want the Red Sox to win the World Series. - Bill Pullman as Alan Safian in Malice, in response to being asked "What do you want?"