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Me permito hacer una pequeña aportación filosófica (sí, hoy tengo dolor de cabeza ) No es que el geocaching sea un juego de tramposos sino que en el geocaching, como en todos los juegos (*), hay tramposos. Con unos 6 millones (o más?) de jugadores, tenemos la cuota correspondiente de tramposos (y de listos y de tontos y de altos y de rubios y de imbéciles de rematar y de genios y de cualquier otra cosa). (*)Y si no que se lo pregunten a Omar Sharif a quien cogieron haciendo trampas en un campeonato de bridge!

My English is not good enough to fully understand what is being discussed on the last few posts. I would appreciate someone making it clear! Anyway, for what is worth, my 2c. Cache is not in the middle of nowhere. It's a popular high mountain hike area due to the proximity of Mont Blanc. Some 2,000 (two thousand) people summit it each year. Most of them using the Gouter route; accessing the cache using this route is out of question, no one would do it (unless a very specific adventure is planned as tried Philippe). It is not reasonable. Some of them using the Tacul-Maudit. Not much, but still quite a bunch of people. On the Gouter route STX Extreme and Near the top of Europe have some visits. Why? because they are exactly on the path to Mont Blanc. No need to spend any aditional effort. Puppet Theater instead is not at all in the path. It comes after a difficult Tacul climb (it took us almost 3h for a lineal distance of 1Km) and before an still more difficult Maudit ascension. On a very long journey (almost twice the time the Gouter route), so the chances are extremely low of anyone taking the detour. You must consider we are not talking about a marked route folowwing some clear path. It's snow & ice, nothing else. If you want to go there while on the route to MB you will need to spend a lot of additional energy. In addition, one would think the possibility it's under some meters of snow is high. At 4000m high, 4m of snow is nothing. Go and find a cache under 4m of snow without an exact place where to dig!!!! (In fact the site is very well chosen and we didn't dig a single inch! but you have to go there to check). That said, the cache itself is not "that" dificult. You need: 1. A low avalanche risk. Google will help you find the number of dead people in Tacul-Maudit. No one want to help increasing this numbers. That's mandatory (or suicidal). 2. A reasonable weather forecast 3. 7h of high mountain hiking (crampons, ice axe, rope team, etc etc) The cable car takes you from 1100 (one thousand one hundred) meters to 3400 (3600ft to 11100ft) in 20 minutes, so most people needs aclimatisation (correct word?). Unless you are a trained one, guide companies will not take you there unless you spend a couple of nigths at +3000m. And all of this effort for a cache that most people think "will not be there". Honestly speaking, no idea why it took so long for some frikie cacher to go there! I myself was 100% sure the cache should be there. There is no reason why it shouldn't! No muggles, no animals ... Let's see how much it takes for a STF

GC20DQY GC4QQCW GC3KGRC Wow! Must do. GC24HBM GC2591W GC2JMDE ... and for sure a lot more. Check the status of each ne.

I didn't even get all August souvenirs, but got a lot of fun geocaching.

This is a game. You must enjoy it. Take a deep breath. Relax. Forget the forums and arguing with dogmatic mind for a couple of months. Go outdoors to find some caches. Log them as honestly as you can. And let people use their own honestity. If someone uses to put throwdowns it will be known as a throwdowner. If someone cheats it will be know as a cheater. If someone acts reasonably it will be known as a reasonable person. I already (tried to) educate my sons, no way anyone can educate other people by using a forum! Enjoy it ... or you will not get any joy.

On a D5 T5 A T5 at 4,600m is not supposed to be easy ...

I cannot see all phisical stages marked as such ... so it has now "missing" important information and would not pass any review process ... Not a good example to bring here!

I found what was definitely a cache at the top of a +3000m peak. There was nothing published there, I was sure, so once at home I wrote to French forums (there was a French logbook) and one French reviewer told me it had distance issues. I was sure it hadn't, so I contacted the owner-to-be and after a lot of e-mail excahnges we discovered he had bad coordinates. Once corrected the cache was finally published ... and do you know what? I was not FTF! Someone found it also exactly as I did but didn't log it online because there was no on-line page and only discovered it some seven or eight months later!

Aunque se haya dado por perdido si el código es correcto debe aparecer. Has probado 0 (ceros) por O (letra o) ?

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I guess so! They are signed by the Managing Director until last year, I hope the new one honours his signature I'm waiting for an answer to an e-mail I sent to the Theater, one of the cache hidders stills works there! In the meanwhile I tasted the chocolate ... seems 12y is nothing when you're frozen! :lol: You can see a lot of pictures of the expeditions (if you're able to get rid of the Spanish comments) here (pictures starting post#26). It was not the record what drove me. In fact in September 2013 when I attempted it, it would not had been a record at all. All the planning, the training, looking for details, guessing how they acted, what to expect ... every minute of some 14 months has been quite rewarding. And of course the final experience was a lot more than I expected. Crossing Trient glacier on the first expedition was simply terrific. I will remember these hours forever. And listening to small avalanches falling down the East wall of Mont Maudit when crossing the Vallee Blanche is a sound that will stay always on my mind. How can I explain our shouting as children when we found the box? No way! I set a goal. Worked and planned hard for it. And I was extremely lucky because we succeded. I wanted to share it.

Ésta es la bajda/subida de Aiguille du Midi hacia el refugio de Cosmiques. Para alguien con vértigo como yo (que me aguanto!) es de alucine. La cresta del ancho de una sola persona de manera que cuando te cruzas con otra cordada una de las dos se tiene que apartar en la pendiente ... que así a ojo es de unos 60% mínimo y tiene la friolera de 1500m de caída (por el otro lado menos, "sólo" unos 200m). Y éste es el Mont Tacul desde el refugio. La subida -de aúpa- cruza una zona de serracs y es la que con el peligro constante de aludes provocó las dos anulaciones. Parece bonito tan blanco y suave ... y la verdad es que lo es, muy bonito :rolleyes: . Se sube por la derecha del "triangulo" de rocas central. Antes se cruzaba relativamente horizontal por debajo de un par de serracs, pero parece que han cansado de que se les caigan encima y ahora se sube casi recto.

Que os puedo contar que no haya puesto en el log? No es sólo un cache, son sensaciones mil que he ido acumulando desde que el 19 de junio de 2013 envié el primer mail a los propietarios, el dia en que decidí de manera firme que tenia que subir ahí arriba. Han sido 14 meses en los que ni un sólo dia he dejado de pensar en él. De planificar, de buscar información, de entrenarme, de autoconvencerme que debía estar aún ahí. No habia motivos para pensar que hubiera desaparecido, por esos parajes no hay mucho muggle suelto y el frio es un buen conservante. De las dos expediciones anteriores guardo dos recuerdos especiales. La travesia del glaciar de Trient. Para quien sólo habia hecho tres miles en ls pirineos con la Maladeta como techo, ése fue un dia mágico. Ya teneis fotos. El segundo ... el ruido de avalanchas durante el cruce de la Vallee Blanche en el segundo intento. No las vimos, no parecia que nos fueran a afectar, pero el sonido lo tengo guardado en el alma Y de ayer naturalmente el bombazo de encontrar la caja original. Los dos dabamos saltos de alegria como niños. Un subidón de adrenalina. En fin, ésta vez no hice fotos de la subida a Tacul, íbamos con la directa puesta, teneis en el log unas cuantas del punto final ... de cortar el hipo! Y señores, colorín colorado éste cuento, ahora sí, se ha acabado.

Another old one cache, oldest unfound in Europe, was found yesterday. It took us a 7h hiking ... and it took me three attempts to find the necessary weather conditions and low avalanche risk. Log still in progress

FTF!!!!!' Encontramos el original Ya contare pero es un record mundial creo 12a1m3d Tengo la adrenalina a 10000000

Ya no quiero hacerme ilusiones ... pero tenemos una ventana de buen tiempo y hoy dormimos por fin! en Cosmiques para subir mañana. Ahora pueden pasar 4 cosas: que no encuentre ni el original ni el throwdown ... Que hago? Dos DNF? Que encuentre los dos!!! Me va a dar un orgasmo cacheril Que solo encuentre el original ... Demasié pal body!! Que solo encuentre el throwdown ... Pues mira tampoco estará tan mal , no? En fin, mañana mas ... (Venga estiraros un poco y dadme animos que con los palizones de conducir me van a salir ruedas :) . )

No sign no log. If they really destroyed the original cash without even seeing it -as it seems- this is a throwdown and a false find. (Probably my point of view is not equilibrate as I tried twice this cache ... last one on July 24th!!!! one week ago! )

Sí, yo alucino ... se les cayó un trozo de hielo donde "creen haber visto" algo de plástico. Y ponen un throwdown. Vamos hombre, no te j***!!! Editado: rectifico. Son el equipo alucinante que se fue a China a por un cache francamente antiguo y que se han venido de Australia a por éste. Montaron un evento en el refugio del Mont Blanc (por la via "normal" que yo subí en Setiembre) para el 27. Deberia haberseme ocurrido que iban a por éste cuando lo ví. grrrrrr

Ahora sí que la depre es total ... estabamos esperando el buen tiempo para hacer otra tentativa pero se nos han adelantado ... http://coord.info/GC89FF

Seems a real record is down ... Puppet Theatre stash on the Mont Blanc Edited: link corrected, Thanks Isonzo

Tacul 2 Derp 0 Los que ponen las nubes no se hablan con los hombres del tiempo. Y en consecuencia en lugar del tiempo razonable anunciado hemos tenido una m@@@ de tiempo. Volviendo a casita donde espeto llegar a alta horas de la madrigada Cuando se me pase la depre intento poner fotos (basicamente de niebla!!)

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De momento a 3775m rodeado de japoneses con camara. En unos minutos hacia ... Italia!

De momento 700 y pico de km ... Y un solo cache 😀😀😀 Si todo va bien mañana subiremos a calentar motores. Mandadme unas cuantas uep que las vamos a necesitar!!! (Unidades de Energia Positiva 😃😃😃😃)