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quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot: quote:Originally posted by Gwho: ... because every(one) knows the answer about real men & what they wear/don't wear. Yes, we all know the famous Monty Python song. I still won't say what I wear/don't wear beneath the kilt but.... here's pictures from my friends medevial wedding where I wore the costume featured in my avatar pic... www.gpswnj.com

quote:Well, if it IS one of your co-workers trying to f**k with you, all they really had to do is print out about 100 copies of that avatar/pfile pic of yours and plaster it all over work! Hell I've worn that outfit to work. Sans the 5 foot broad sword though. Something about "not bringing weapons to work" or some foolishness... www.gpswnj.com

quote:Well, if it IS one of your co-workers trying to f**k with you, all they really had to do is print out about 100 copies of that avatar/pfile pic of yours and plaster it all over work! Hell I've worn that outfit to work. Sans the 5 foot broad sword though. Something about "not bringing weapons to work" or some foolishness... www.gpswnj.com

quote:Originally posted by Team Screamapillar:If Geobuddy's goal was to harass you, Gwho, things backfired on him. He was plastered as a whiner and nobody gave you any grief about dangerous caches. Don't let it bother you. -So what's with the threads? Are you into Rennaisance Fairs? I'm not overly worried. never was. what does worry me is *IF* this is someone from my job. Who & why? As for Ren Fairs, I sorta am, but not as much as my friend. This is my attire from his medeval wedding a year ago. The pic is so small youcan't really tell but I'm wearing a kilt, bracers, leg armor & a 5 foot broad sword across my back. Real men don't have to answer the inevitable question about "whatcha got on under that kilt", because every knows the answer about real men & what they wear/don't wear. [] www.gpswnj.com

quote:Originally posted by Team Screamapillar:If Geobuddy's goal was to harass you, Gwho, things backfired on him. He was plastered as a whiner and nobody gave you any grief about dangerous caches. Don't let it bother you. -So what's with the threads? Are you into Rennaisance Fairs? I'm not overly worried. never was. what does worry me is *IF* this is someone from my job. Who & why? As for Ren Fairs, I sorta am, but not as much as my friend. This is my attire from his medeval wedding a year ago. The pic is so small youcan't really tell but I'm wearing a kilt, bracers, leg armor & a 5 foot broad sword across my back. Real men don't have to answer the inevitable question about "whatcha got on under that kilt", because every knows the answer about real men & what they wear/don't wear. [] www.gpswnj.com

My co-workers know I geocache. What if one of my bosses is mad at me & can't say/do anything to me at work, so they're trying to screw with me outside work? Ulp! Nah. I can't picture any of them going to this sort of trouble. Besides I haven't ticked any of them off that badly. That I know of. www.gpswnj.com

My co-workers know I geocache. What if one of my bosses is mad at me & can't say/do anything to me at work, so they're trying to screw with me outside work? Ulp! Nah. I can't picture any of them going to this sort of trouble. Besides I haven't ticked any of them off that badly. That I know of. www.gpswnj.com

I recently saw Brian Snats Beware of Geobuddy fraud discussion, totally missed the link to this thread. Well isn't this interesting. If there was even 1/10th of 1 percent of doubt that this was a fake name intended to make my life miserable & run my name down, now I know it. There's just no way around it, & I'm glad Jeremy saw fit to pull all geobuddies logs. Here's what I said in the other forum... #1: No log at hackensack greenway, none at Green Acres or the other. I checked. haven't checked the other two yet but I believe I won't find any there either #2: Falling & needing stitches at John Ringling? Possible. Encountering a snake at Hackensack greenway? Theoretically possible. Having one attack your 3 yr old son? ALmost laughable. I imagine something here out of Acv Ventura When Nature Calls just thinking about it. #3: Geobuddy encounters problems at two sites placed by the same person (me) and then logs 3 caches all within literally 250 yards of the other two, but no others before or since then. #4: Claims to be a Verizon supervisor. Gee I work for Verizon and if we take that at face value, that's gonna keep from me questioning too hard. I mean after all we don't want to p iss off the boss do we? #5: Fantastic logs alone wouldn't be enough, but all of the above combined screams out fake finds. Hmmm... seems targeted at me, to either keep people from my caches, make me miserable or both. It certainly had me thinking about it pretty hard. Posed ther question to Jeremy... guess what this guys email address is? gwho@yahoo.com Proof enough that this is targeted at me? If not, then this forum thread should do the trick. I've no idea who geobuddy is or why he feels the need to try to make miserable, but I've got only one thing to say. I've lost 3 caches recently & if the trends continue, I'll just switch over & only Weird Nj virtuals & I'd like to see the geobuddies of the world try & screw with them! What are they gonna say next? "Oh I fell down and sprained my ankle while going to this virtual cache!" Unbelieveable... hehehehe. www.gpswnj.com

I recently saw Brian Snats Beware of Geobuddy fraud discussion, totally missed the link to this thread. Well isn't this interesting. If there was even 1/10th of 1 percent of doubt that this was a fake name intended to make my life miserable & run my name down, now I know it. There's just no way around it, & I'm glad Jeremy saw fit to pull all geobuddies logs. Here's what I said in the other forum... #1: No log at hackensack greenway, none at Green Acres or the other. I checked. haven't checked the other two yet but I believe I won't find any there either #2: Falling & needing stitches at John Ringling? Possible. Encountering a snake at Hackensack greenway? Theoretically possible. Having one attack your 3 yr old son? ALmost laughable. I imagine something here out of Acv Ventura When Nature Calls just thinking about it. #3: Geobuddy encounters problems at two sites placed by the same person (me) and then logs 3 caches all within literally 250 yards of the other two, but no others before or since then. #4: Claims to be a Verizon supervisor. Gee I work for Verizon and if we take that at face value, that's gonna keep from me questioning too hard. I mean after all we don't want to p iss off the boss do we? #5: Fantastic logs alone wouldn't be enough, but all of the above combined screams out fake finds. Hmmm... seems targeted at me, to either keep people from my caches, make me miserable or both. It certainly had me thinking about it pretty hard. Posed ther question to Jeremy... guess what this guys email address is? gwho@yahoo.com Proof enough that this is targeted at me? If not, then this forum thread should do the trick. I've no idea who geobuddy is or why he feels the need to try to make miserable, but I've got only one thing to say. I've lost 3 caches recently & if the trends continue, I'll just switch over & only Weird Nj virtuals & I'd like to see the geobuddies of the world try & screw with them! What are they gonna say next? "Oh I fell down and sprained my ankle while going to this virtual cache!" Unbelieveable... hehehehe. www.gpswnj.com

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot:As I've discussed with several local cachers, it appears that a prankster (or team of pranksters) has been tampering with caches ... I don't understand what satisfaction they receive from such behavior, but at least they're leaving the caches intact. I've also found a few caches recently that had been discovered by animals ... it's not hard to tell the difference. How about if we ask the pranksters politely to just stop? If you have an issue with anyone, how about working it out in a friendly manner and not compromise their caches? What I wanna know is: what's the point? The geoterrorists were stealing caches completely or ruining them out right. This guy just makes them visible, sometimes dumping contents out, but they're still there. What purpose does it serve, other then to taunt us? I personally find it more aggrevating that my cache is being fooled with then outright stolen, simply because it could happen more then once. If its stolen I either replace or or not & move on. Knowing a cache is out there & potentially being messed with is quite frustrating, wondering IF & WHEN it's going to be turning out missing.... I've planned a number of new caches, some invlving long hikes but that's all on hold now because of this guy. I might have had one of mine messed with within 24 hours of placement!!! I'm going to hold on too much cache placement till I see where this is headed. www.gpswnj.com

I know most of us in the Jersey area have been discussing this for a few weeks now. I can report the following Duck at Flat Rock was found out in the open on May 22, rehidden then again found out in the open by me on June 22 Cheeky's Hideaway was found today by me to have been left out. & this was real blatant too. Whoever it is plaed the cache lid in the hole, then the cache container with the nopening face out, so the contents fell out, and the cover materials were all to the side. I consider this person to be my Favorite Uninvited Cacher. Which makes a great acronym but I won't use it here because coincidentally it almost makes another word. I didn't plan that of course.... www.gpswnj.com

I know most of us in the Jersey area have been discussing this for a few weeks now. I can report the following Duck at Flat Rock was found out in the open on May 22, rehidden then again found out in the open by me on June 22 Cheeky's Hideaway was found today by me to have been left out. & this was real blatant too. Whoever it is plaed the cache lid in the hole, then the cache container with the nopening face out, so the contents fell out, and the cover materials were all to the side. I consider this person to be my Favorite Uninvited Cacher. Which makes a great acronym but I won't use it here because coincidentally it almost makes another word. I didn't plan that of course.... www.gpswnj.com

quote:Originally posted by SunCrush & Traumajunkie21:let me get this staright. People are logging on the net they have been to a cache, and they really have not visited them in real life form. Is that not the power of the cache owner to have that majical (heehee majic) to hit the delete button on his log?? maybe its the owner who is doiing this trying to make his caches more appealing!! Who knows!!! I wasn't going to bring any attention to this, BUT since Brian did and seeing the questions being posted, I figure I'll log in. #1: No log at hackensack greenway, none at Green Acres or the other. I checked. haven't checked the other tow yet but I believe I won't find any there either #2: Falling & needing stitches at John Ringling? Possible. Encountering a snake at Hackensack greenway? Theoretically possible. Having one attack your 3 yr old son? ALmost laughable. I imagine something here out of Acve Ventura When Nature Calls just thinking about it. #3: Geobuddy encounters problems at two sites placed by the same person (me) and then logs 3 caches all within literally 250 yards of the other two, but no others before or since then. #4: Claims to be a Verizon supervisor. Gee I work for Verizon and if we take that at face value, that's gonna keep from me questioning too hard. I mean after all we don't want to p iss off the boss do we? #5: Fantastic logs alone wouldn't be enough, but all of the above combined screams out fake finds. Hmmm... seems targeted at me, to either keep people from my caches, make me miserable or both. It certainly had me thinking about it pretty hard. Posed ther question to Jeremy... guess what this guys email address is? gwho@yahoo.com Proof enough that this is targeted at me? I'm quite sure that was meant as sarcasm, but believe me, if I wanted to make my caches more desireable I wouldn't be telling folks that I was Inspector Clouseau out there... Jeremy felt that there was enough evidence that geobuddy was a fraud & pulled the logs. All of them. I'm relieved, but I can't help but wonder if this is the same joker whose been leaving caches out in the open... That's not targetted at me cause he's hit a variety of caches left by numerous individuals. Still aggrevating though. geo Terrorists Part Deux almost... I've no idea who geobuddy is or why he feels the need to try to make miserable, but I've got only one thing to say. I've lost 3 caches recently & if the trends continue, I'll just switch over & only Weird Nj virtuals & I'd like to see the geobuddies of the world try & screw with them! What are they gonna say next? "Oh I fell down and hurt my leg while going to this virtual cache!" hehehehe. www.gpswnj.com [This message was edited by Gwho on August 03, 2002 at 09:44 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by SunCrush & Traumajunkie21:let me get this staright. People are logging on the net they have been to a cache, and they really have not visited them in real life form. Is that not the power of the cache owner to have that majical (heehee majic) to hit the delete button on his log?? maybe its the owner who is doiing this trying to make his caches more appealing!! Who knows!!! I wasn't going to bring any attention to this, BUT since Brian did and seeing the questions being posted, I figure I'll log in. #1: No log at hackensack greenway, none at Green Acres or the other. I checked. haven't checked the other tow yet but I believe I won't find any there either #2: Falling & needing stitches at John Ringling? Possible. Encountering a snake at Hackensack greenway? Theoretically possible. Having one attack your 3 yr old son? ALmost laughable. I imagine something here out of Acve Ventura When Nature Calls just thinking about it. #3: Geobuddy encounters problems at two sites placed by the same person (me) and then logs 3 caches all within literally 250 yards of the other two, but no others before or since then. #4: Claims to be a Verizon supervisor. Gee I work for Verizon and if we take that at face value, that's gonna keep from me questioning too hard. I mean after all we don't want to p iss off the boss do we? #5: Fantastic logs alone wouldn't be enough, but all of the above combined screams out fake finds. Hmmm... seems targeted at me, to either keep people from my caches, make me miserable or both. It certainly had me thinking about it pretty hard. Posed ther question to Jeremy... guess what this guys email address is? gwho@yahoo.com Proof enough that this is targeted at me? I'm quite sure that was meant as sarcasm, but believe me, if I wanted to make my caches more desireable I wouldn't be telling folks that I was Inspector Clouseau out there... Jeremy felt that there was enough evidence that geobuddy was a fraud & pulled the logs. All of them. I'm relieved, but I can't help but wonder if this is the same joker whose been leaving caches out in the open... That's not targetted at me cause he's hit a variety of caches left by numerous individuals. Still aggrevating though. geo Terrorists Part Deux almost... I've no idea who geobuddy is or why he feels the need to try to make miserable, but I've got only one thing to say. I've lost 3 caches recently & if the trends continue, I'll just switch over & only Weird Nj virtuals & I'd like to see the geobuddies of the world try & screw with them! What are they gonna say next? "Oh I fell down and hurt my leg while going to this virtual cache!" hehehehe. www.gpswnj.com [This message was edited by Gwho on August 03, 2002 at 09:44 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot:And even though I have met both BrianSnat and Gwho and can attest that they are "manly family men," I am staying out of any woods they visit wearing the costumes depicted in their avatars. I never saw that Brian Snat avatar till Marc mentioned it, so either I'm oblivious or Brian's really loosening up. Next you'll try to make some connection between my avatar photo & my love of the NJ Palisades... My friends medevial wedding where I wore the costume featured in my avatar pic... [This message was edited by Gwho on August 11, 2002 at 03:15 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by BassoonPilot:And even though I have met both BrianSnat and Gwho and can attest that they are "manly family men," I am staying out of any woods they visit wearing the costumes depicted in their avatars. I never saw that Brian Snat avatar till Marc mentioned it, so either I'm oblivious or Brian's really loosening up. Next you'll try to make some connection between my avatar photo & my love of the NJ Palisades... My friends medevial wedding where I wore the costume featured in my avatar pic... [This message was edited by Gwho on August 11, 2002 at 03:15 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by GeoManhattan:If it was a guy and a girl would you have been so offended and shocked? I bet you scared them right back - I doubt they'll be back. http://www.GeoManhattan.com One guy & girl? irritated & annoyed? yes. shocked and offended? probably not. NUMEROUS boys & girls? Yes I would be shocked & offended, which is the case here. I've revised myu original post to explain that. www.gpswnj.com

quote:Originally posted by Irvingdog:First off... Charlie- ROFLMAO. Agreed. Although if I were wearing my broad sword perhaps that might deter such activity... [] quote:...life you've got to watch the broad sweeping generalizations. I think this is a segment of the gay community, not representative ofthe whole....! Absolutely. I agree & reworded the title as such... quote:It is public space, and they are engaging in very private behavior. And yes, geocaching is very family oriented...This is just some gay people acting poorly and thoughtlessly in public. I really have to disagree here. A couple walking in the park, holdings hands, which leads to more is "acting poorly and thoughtlessly". Purposely seeking sexual partners in a public place to engage is sex in that same public place is more then that. Furthermore, it isn't just one couple, it's numerous ones apparently. At least in the other park it was. The Chief of police returned my call and didn't answer all of my questions but it appears as if this is the same group conducting the same business. [This message was edited by Gwho on August 01, 2002 at 06:10 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by Irvingdog:First off... Charlie- ROFLMAO. Agreed. Although if I were wearing my broad sword perhaps that might deter such activity... [] quote:...life you've got to watch the broad sweeping generalizations. I think this is a segment of the gay community, not representative ofthe whole....! Absolutely. I agree & reworded the title as such... quote:It is public space, and they are engaging in very private behavior. And yes, geocaching is very family oriented...This is just some gay people acting poorly and thoughtlessly in public. I really have to disagree here. A couple walking in the park, holdings hands, which leads to more is "acting poorly and thoughtlessly". Purposely seeking sexual partners in a public place to engage is sex in that same public place is more then that. Furthermore, it isn't just one couple, it's numerous ones apparently. At least in the other park it was. The Chief of police returned my call and didn't answer all of my questions but it appears as if this is the same group conducting the same business. [This message was edited by Gwho on August 01, 2002 at 06:10 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by bradtal:After reading this thread, I wonder if the "Post a Cache" page should be updated to possibly help the "almighty-approvers". I've seen multiple posts where a persons cache was rejected, but after they emailed the cache approvers with a better description, it was approved. I think there should be an added field that we can use when creating a new cache on this site. It could be labeled "Additional Info for the Cache Approvers". Here, we could give a better, more detailed description that we would NOT want posted on the actual cache page (could include spoilers, what's in the area, etc). For example, on the reagular cache page, the location might look like a regular cemetary virtual. However, in the "Additional Info", the cache owner could say, "This is a virtual, and Lassie's final resting place is at the coordinates". You wouldn't want to give away on the cache page who or what was burried there, for example. Make sense? Brad I agree. I received the same email about "going out & buying ammo boxes" too & felt highly annoyed, but I do get an idea of the sentiment behind it, namely that they want VC to be unique and interesting. Some are neither one. Unfortunately, we run into the same problem here as with the locationless ones, where Admin approves something was is admitedly a marginal cache, then someone else submits something along the same lines, is refused, and the cry is "But you approved THAT cache" why not mine? Unfortunately, once something is approved, when the winds shift later on as to what admin wants to see or not see as a VC or LC, the older, lesser desireable (by Admin standards) still exist, which makes it a total catch-22. As a cacher who has launched some really really BAD caches, both VC & LC, I'll be the first to say that there does need to be a standard of some sort. Does the admin of this site have the final say? Of course they do, but you must remember that, even though there is no fee to particpate, we are in essense, their customers. Establishing rules and following them is one thing. Acting hoity toity & being mean spirited is never warranted or appropriate. That just is bad customer service. I think the previous suggestion of an "for admin info" only is incredibly useful for the reasons already stated by the original poster. I can definately think of some cases where I would've loved to tell them what was up so they understood better but couldn't, and subsequently had to explain & defend it when it was rejected. As someone who also seeks & places higher # of VC then most others, let me just say that not all of us have the time & energy to go out to some of the real caches, so VC are a welcome alternative. I have tried to place real caches whenever possible if I'm trying to show someone something unique & interesting, but it ain't always possible. Let's not bash VC because they're just as legit as real ones. Also please don't bash people who seek or hide more VCs then real caches. Different strokes for different folks. www.gpswnj.com

quote:Originally posted by bradtal:After reading this thread, I wonder if the "Post a Cache" page should be updated to possibly help the "almighty-approvers". I've seen multiple posts where a persons cache was rejected, but after they emailed the cache approvers with a better description, it was approved. I think there should be an added field that we can use when creating a new cache on this site. It could be labeled "Additional Info for the Cache Approvers". Here, we could give a better, more detailed description that we would NOT want posted on the actual cache page (could include spoilers, what's in the area, etc). For example, on the reagular cache page, the location might look like a regular cemetary virtual. However, in the "Additional Info", the cache owner could say, "This is a virtual, and Lassie's final resting place is at the coordinates". You wouldn't want to give away on the cache page who or what was burried there, for example. Make sense? Brad I agree. I received the same email about "going out & buying ammo boxes" too & felt highly annoyed, but I do get an idea of the sentiment behind it, namely that they want VC to be unique and interesting. Some are neither one. Unfortunately, we run into the same problem here as with the locationless ones, where Admin approves something was is admitedly a marginal cache, then someone else submits something along the same lines, is refused, and the cry is "But you approved THAT cache" why not mine? Unfortunately, once something is approved, when the winds shift later on as to what admin wants to see or not see as a VC or LC, the older, lesser desireable (by Admin standards) still exist, which makes it a total catch-22. As a cacher who has launched some really really BAD caches, both VC & LC, I'll be the first to say that there does need to be a standard of some sort. Does the admin of this site have the final say? Of course they do, but you must remember that, even though there is no fee to particpate, we are in essense, their customers. Establishing rules and following them is one thing. Acting hoity toity & being mean spirited is never warranted or appropriate. That just is bad customer service. I think the previous suggestion of an "for admin info" only is incredibly useful for the reasons already stated by the original poster. I can definately think of some cases where I would've loved to tell them what was up so they understood better but couldn't, and subsequently had to explain & defend it when it was rejected. As someone who also seeks & places higher # of VC then most others, let me just say that not all of us have the time & energy to go out to some of the real caches, so VC are a welcome alternative. I have tried to place real caches whenever possible if I'm trying to show someone something unique & interesting, but it ain't always possible. Let's not bash VC because they're just as legit as real ones. Also please don't bash people who seek or hide more VCs then real caches. Different strokes for different folks. www.gpswnj.com

Ie cee yuo cna telll orthers whta too od butt yoou cannott practise itt yoursself!!!!! quote:Originally posted by majicman: quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat: A priperly plased catch will not empact the sirrounding eviroment, so thir is no nead to reamove one aftir a period time or a set numbir of visets. BrianSnat, I'm sorry, you forgot to misspell "not", "the", "so", "is", "no", "to", "one", "a", "period", "time", "or", "set" and "of". Might I suggest a rewrite as follows: ============================================= Ay priperly plased cach wil nout empact tha sirrounding eviroment, sowe thir ees kno nead tueu reamove wan aftir sum peroid ov tim ohr ay seth numbir uhv visets. ============================================= There, now isn't that bettter! --majicman (Always trade UP in both quantity and quality and Geocaches will be both self-sustaining and self-improving!) www.gpswnj.com

Ie cee yuo cna telll orthers whta too od butt yoou cannott practise itt yoursself!!!!! quote:Originally posted by majicman: quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat: A priperly plased catch will not empact the sirrounding eviroment, so thir is no nead to reamove one aftir a period time or a set numbir of visets. BrianSnat, I'm sorry, you forgot to misspell "not", "the", "so", "is", "no", "to", "one", "a", "period", "time", "or", "set" and "of". Might I suggest a rewrite as follows: ============================================= Ay priperly plased cach wil nout empact tha sirrounding eviroment, sowe thir ees kno nead tueu reamove wan aftir sum peroid ov tim ohr ay seth numbir uhv visets. ============================================= There, now isn't that bettter! --majicman (Always trade UP in both quantity and quality and Geocaches will be both self-sustaining and self-improving!) www.gpswnj.com

I sought a cache 3 months ago in a relatively small park which has been targeted by certain gay swinger websites as a cool place to go crusing for gay sex. Men were openly having sex in the park, and if you walked thru, you'd like be approached by numerous men. I recently hid a geocache in a very large park which I enjoy hiking thru. Someone was seeking out the cache & encountered two men with their pants around their ankles. I inquired & found out that this park too has been stated in gay website as a cool place to cruise. We aren't talking about a couple (gay or straight) going for a hike, and then nature taking course. we're talking about about people saying "let's go to this public place & have sex in the open." That's wrong IMHO, and illegal. While I'm annoyed at the impact it'll have on my caches, thats nothing compared to how annoyed I am that these people are publically having sex in an area where familes & children go to hike. The pArk Police Chief said they are doing patrols, undercover agents, etc, and have busted numerous men who were engaging in sex publically, however its a very large park with 6 or 7 different parking areas, so it's a lot of ground to cover. Has anyone heard of any other parks with this problem? And I'm not talking about a lovers lane type thing where people park & cuddle in their cards, I mean out in the open sex. If your cache was hidden in such an area, would you archive it? Since most "activity" takes place nearby the parking areas, I figure a cache placed far away would probably be safe, but I can't imagine a cache near the parking area would be too wise. [This message was edited by Gwho on August 02, 2002 at 01:26 PM.]

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