garyo1954
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2 hours ago, icezebra11 said:
Read the many forum threads on this topic. The communicator is no longer supported by your browser. You can use the GPX file button on individual cache pages, Send to Garmin utilizing lists, or Pocket Queries.
This thread seems to offer some decent solutions.....
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I'd say the problem is you can't mount the Monterra as a removable drive. Read the workaround here.......
https://thomfre.net/teknisk/monterra/wifi-file-transfer/
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Just now, K13 said:
I've used the "stick as pen and grass as ink" to sign a log when caught without a pen. I've also used blood from the scratches due to thorns and briars which apparently stole my pen on the way to a cache. I find a way to leave my mark on the log.
I hear that. Whatever works. First thing I put in my bag was an assortment of pens, pencils and sharpies. I've seen some labels and a couple of stamps as well. I even thought about doing a stamp for Letterboxing.......
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1 hour ago, K13 said:
Nice coins!
The idea of photologging has been discussed ad nauseum. The rules of the game are, Find a cache, SIGN THE LOG, and log it online. No camera required.
Thanks K13! So far I've spent $47 for tacos and haven't got a single phone number! That one is not working for me.....
Its a credit to the player that they do follow the sign log as best they can. Saw one today where someone didn't have anything to write with so they took a stick and impress/indented their signature in the paper. If you shaded over it would see their signature. I was impressed with that idea!
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2 minutes ago, The Magna Defender said:
Sorry no you haven't. Is it just me you are stalking, or do you watch daily logs of every single cache in the world and then comment about them on this forum?
I don't see other cache owners berated on here like the harassment I have to endure.
How would anybody know who the unnamed party was if you hadn't told us? Isn't that like self harassing/self stalking/paranoia/flagellation?
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3 hours ago, Max and 99 said:
The pinewood derby car is replaceable ($3 each last time I bought one), and it was inside an Ammo can.
That wooden car is going to last a lot longer than paper. I'd much prefer that.
With everyone carrying a cell it makes little sense to require paper logs when its easy enough to snap a picture of the cache for upload.
As long as they fit, I'll keep putting wooden tokens in them....
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35 minutes ago, Team Microdot said:
I see this sort of thing with increasing regularity:
Cacher X: Found cache log book was wet tftc
Cache owner: Hi its been a long wet winter and these caches haven't been found for a long time. If the logbook is wet, it's not my fault and if the comments continue, I will archive the series.
One of the reasons I no longer tell people about geocaching. It's embarassing.
I was thinking any response was better than no response, but you proved that theory wrong.
I've logged several after heavy rain that were in excellent condition. Even with rain on Friday and rain/sprinkling and mist most of yesterday, I logged two this morning that were flawless.
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Judging from this angle, the building to the left looks about 100 feet tall. Given the distance the monument would be closer to 200 feet I suspect.
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20 hours ago, Marianne2003 said:
Hi There my son found a book with a USB dongle and a log book after reading this and logging onto this site I was wondering if anyone can help me I think it maybe an old one. I'm New to this and a bit unsure what to do it was last signed on 17/2/18 and the one before this was 6/8/17 at the front it says "You have found the... Tom Weir Geocache" then below it says cache replaced 01/04/14 so what do I do now?? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks Marianne Gallagher.
Anything on the dongle?
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53 minutes ago, noncentric said:
I'm beginning to feel that you are getting a bit too defensive. Where did I suggest that you don't know how to read logs or descriptions? It's quite the stretch to assume that my comment about looking at the wrong cemetery cache means that "I don't believe you." Geez. I was saying that I might be evaluating the wrong cache and so might be speaking out of turn.
Yes. And as I said "I don't know what cache this is, but if the CO is absent, then they're absent. Not sure that we disagree there." Not sure why the animosity in your post.
You got me there...was busy sending a message...........(shakes head).
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8 minutes ago, noncentric said:
Maybe we're talking about different cemetery caches. The one I looked at in your find history is from a CO that had 2 other caches and those caches didn't have any mention in their logs about them leaving the area or offering the caches for adoption.
I don't know what cache this is, but if the CO is absent, then they're absent. Not sure that we disagree there. There are plenty of caches with CO's that are no longer in the game. That doesn't mean that all of those caches are problematic. I prefer to evaluate each cache individually. Some have active owners and are in bad shape, some have inactive owners and are in great shape. I try not to generalize.
And caches that haven't been logged in a year doesn't mean much to me without full context of what that cache is. I'm not sure which one you're referring to.
My comment about you being new was specifically about the "no lid" comment you made. I wasn't saying that your being new was related to all the other things in your post. Fresh eyes are great. Experience is great. It's all good.
I'm not sure which cache is the one that missing in 2015, DNF'd in 2016, and not searched since then. Is it possible that it's a difficult cache and the "missing in 2015" was just a seeker's opinion that it was missing, not a confirmation that it was missing. Is it possible the 2015 and 2016 cachers simply missed it? I've certainly found plenty of caches that had been deemed missing by previous seekers, even though the cache was right there.
I'm beginning to feel you get the impression I don't know my area and don't know how to read logs or descriptions.
That will get on my bad side right quick.
I may be new, but I'm not stupid. I've logged several cemeteries. Perhaps you aren't looking at the right one. But to question it simply because you can't find it is to say, "I don't believe you." And if you don't believe me, that's fine. I'm not in need of wanting people to believe me. But I'll go out and get pictures of the container and find the listings if you feel its necessary. I'm not going to call out people by name since some very negative connotations have been brought up, which wasn't my intent, or my doing. Name calling is completely unnecessary.
I will say for the record when an owner is asked for a hint, and asked to check the cache, and a year later has not not responded......that is irresponsible. (Or the owner is not in the game any longer).
You'll notice I didn't post all top ten longest not found caches. That's the reason you don't know which cache the 2015/2016 is.
It would be far easier if you make your reply in accordance with whatever point you don't understand than to have three or four point to address. I think that's where the confusion sets in and it becomes a matter of going from fire to fire without putting out any.
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27 minutes ago, noncentric said:
The problem with your water hose analogy is that you're incentivized to turn off the hose because leaving it running costs you money. For CO's that don't care about their caches, there is no penalty for not fixing the cache.
And yes, the CO's are ultimately responsible, but the problem is that some of them just don't care.
I see the fact it cost you money as an incentive. It doesn't detract from the example. You are responsible both the water hose and the cache. It's about being responsible for both. But have it as you like.
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1 hour ago, noncentric said:
Honestly, I don't think that most CO's intend for others to maintain their cache for them. I think that what happens is that some CO's place caches without realizing how much maintenance is really required. They place a cache thinking it's going to be easy to maintain and they'll just pop down to visit it when needed, but then something goes wrong and they just can't get motivated enough to go deal with it. Or they go and fix it and then something goes wrong again, and again, and again, and then they just get fed up with it and ignore it.
And there are CO's that may intend to fix their cache when someone tells them there's a problem, but then another cacher goes ahead and fixes it for them before they get to it. Great for them. Saves them a trip. They shouldn't be deemed irresponsible because someone else went ahead and fixed their cache for them.
Mostly because owners are no longer 'in the game'. If someone has given up geocaching, or has died, then of course they aren't going to log into the website to disable/archive/adopt out the cache. They're checked out. They don't care anymore. They don't care to fix it, or to do anything with it.
For the specific cemetery cache you mentioned, it could be argued that seekers are responsible to flag the cache as being in disrepair. There were logs going back 2 years where cachers mentioned in their Found It logs that there were issues, but it wasn't until a few months ago that someone finally logged an NM. The area where cache seekers are responsible is that they should (1) flag caches with NM, instead of just a Found It log, and (2) exercise care in retrieving/replacing the cache to avoid damaging the container in such a way that it is more prone to problems than when the CO placed it.
I don't mean this in a snarky way, but you are a very new cacher. When you say that you've only seen 1 cache without a lid, then imagine how many a cacher with 1000 finds might've seen. 1/16 --> 60+/1000 I have seen lid issues because cachers put swag into a container that was too big for the container, so the lid wouldn't close correctly. I've seen cachers close lids with a piece of swag or plastic bag in the threads of the lid, which allows moisture to seep in. I've also found caches where I promptly dropped the lid into the grass and spent more time looking for the lid than I'd spent finding the cache in the first place.
I don't take anything as snarky. Being new is a fact. Doing numbers and looking at logs for a month isn't the same as practical experience, granted.
The log I just quoted is over a year of nothing being done. No one (to my knowledge) has even looked for that cache in over a year. Not a week, not a month, not six months. One Whole Year with not a peep from the owner. If that's not being absent, then I don't know what to call it.
Arguments don't bring solutions. They bring more arguments. The cemetery owner knew they were leaving the area. They knew they wouldn't be able to perform maintenance and yet did nothing to disable/archive this cache. Although they did offer some (not that one) for adoption. But if they knew they couldn't do maintenance on the others, how did they expect to maintain this one? That's poor decision making on the owners part. Irresponsible actions. Your choice.
I make no excuses for being new.But being new doesn't change the logs that show the owners aren't doing what they agreed to do. Being new doesn't make me oblivious to the need for people to be responsible for their caches. And new doesn't mean I can't look at a log and see it was missing in 2015, logged as a DNF in 2016, and (it appears) no one has looked for it since.
These are things I use to determine if I want to make a 30/50 mile drive to see if it is still there/if it is in good shape.
Fresh eyes sometimes see things in a new way. And that can't be all bad. But logs tell a story about a cache. When you see three DNFs, one Found, and three more DNFs, you know there is something not right. -
20 minutes ago, arisoft said:
I guess no cache owner relies on other geocachers to help but all of them, after getting some experience, relies on that what ever they do some geocacher will break it for sure, earlier or later. At least, some will expose the cache to muggles and then it may disappear shortly.
Fixing the cache is not favor to the absent cache owner but the next finder if the cache is worth of it. I fixed one broken cache eight years ago by replacing the container and it is still on-line. Once the log was wet but it has dried itself.
You're making excuses for absentee owners which doesn't solve the problem.
And pointing the fingers at the people who most often are going to let you know something is amiss.
If you feel someone is going to break it, just don't put any out. If people keep breaking it, disable it or archive it.
At the same time, don't expect others to do the job you agreed to do when you placed the cache.
Its like that water hose, it doesn't matter how it got turned on, you are going to turn it off because it is your responsibility (since you pay the bill).
Whatever the cause of the disrepair, you, the owner have an agreement which makes, you, the owner is ultimately responsible.
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35 minutes ago, arisoft said:
You will find that airtight is not always the answer of all problems. Mostly because geocachers do not close the container airtight for several reasons. PET-preforms should be almost the ultimate cache type what comes to being airtight but you can find a one filled with water because a geocacher made a hole to the cap to lift the cache out from the hole using a screw. The basic case is that a geocacher forget to close the cap tightly. With other container types the airtightness degrades due to dirt exposed to the seal by putting the lid onto ground. The basic maintenance is to clean the seal periodically after some visitors to keep it airtight. Let's keep the bad CO busy and not to clean the seal.
Again, you're talking specific situations which do not apply in this case. This particular cache is 5 foot off the ground, nestled between branches, well protected from rain and sunlight.
None of the caches I've seen had holes in the cap. Even the one quite literally stuffed into a branch was easily removed with a twist. So again you're pointing to a specific case. One that doesn't appear to be the norm.
Naturally we have to go back to the your word bad/my choice absentee CO since it is by agreement the job of the CO to maintain the cache.
But then, maybe what you are referring too is the norm. How many owners put out caches expecting others to replace the logs, clean the mold/mildew, replace the canister when necessary, and perform all the tasks the owner otherwise agrees to do?
If that is the norm then many of these caches are going to rot into the ground before they get repaired. Too, if the owner doesn't care to maintain it, then why not disable it? Why not archive it and give up that spot? Why rely on others to fulfill your obligation?
Nope, seekers are the least responsible. They are generally the persons who point out the need of maintenance and the missing contents and/or even the missing cache. If an owner were responsible there would not be a year of DNF, Missing and NM logs. Think about it:How hard is it when your neighbor calls and says, "I noticed your water hose was on" to go out and make sure you turned it off. And you would without hesitation go out and check, I'm sure.
I have found a total of one cache with no top/no lid. How does a cache lose a lid? In that case I would agree. Somebody didn't pay attention to what they were doing. Or the cache never had a lid (It was in a secure high and dry location that may not have closed if it had one).
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1 hour ago, arisoft said:
It is not the CO who breaks the cache or leaves the lid open. It must be someone else.
By fixing a cache one can learn how many visitors it will last until it is broken again. By using this knowledge one can decide is it worth of doing any similar geocaches. All experiences are valuable before you make your own caches.
Ahhh...you're speaking to a specific situation.
The cache in the original post is a plastic pickle jar. Those don't have a proper airtight seal so condensation develops inside causing the damage, mold/mildew build up. Form-a-Gasket or making a gasket from cork material might work, but I would replace the whole thing.
The site has so much history. One of the oldest cemeteries in Texas, site of one of the oldest churches, soldiers from the Texas Army and confederates interred there. Great place for a cache.
And here's the BUT......
The owner has left the area, hasn't responded to messages......AND may well hand the adoption over to someone else at any given time.
To be clear no matter what a seeker did, the cache would come to disrepair without constant maintenance.-
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46 minutes ago, arisoft said:
The reason for the exercise is to learn, not solve a problem. The problem is not the absentee cache owner but the existing cache seekers. The owner is completely innocent of the situation in the most cases. This is the lesson you can get from the exercise.
I agree with justintim1999.
I gave it serious thought. There may be a few exceptions but for the most part, it is better to remove these abandoned/ill cared for caches. Its geo-garbage or whatever euphemism you prefer.
I disagree that the players are responsible. If you agree to place and maintain a cache, you (the owner) is responsible.
You can't place blame on the players for not performing proper owner maintenance.
Looking at the top ten caches with the most days out, five belong to one owner, two belong to another owner. The other three are by three others.
If you read the logs for these caches, there is some commonality. For example, one log shows....
3/18/2017 looked all over. GPS was jumping around like crazy. Maybe we will revisit another day.
3/20/2017 (same person) Looked twice, for more than an hour. the only idea is a hole in a tree trunk full of water.....we'd like a hint.....
3/24/2017 (different person) Went out on two separate occasion.....weren't able to find it. Was wondering if the owner would go out an check on it?
How do you blame the cache seekers? They looked, didn't find. Made polite logs, asking the owner to do his part.
Over a year ago. Nothing from the owner.
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8 minutes ago, K13 said:
The date showing the last time they logged in to the site DOES NOT account for times they may have viewed/logged in via an app, so you can discount that bit of information. Their lack of response to logs or notes may be a personal issue.
Log a Needs Maintenance relating your experience with the cache. If they don't respond in a month or so, log a NA.
Good to know K13. Wasn't aware they could do that.
I probably need to take a step back for a bit and reconsider. I am learning that messaging doesn't work to get their attention.
Since we were rained out, got four Sterlite boxes and a roll of camo duct tape thinking to replace some of the missing caches.
Then saw the word "throwdown."
And read the word "enabler."
Second thoughts set in. Perhaps these owners are relying on the community to replace and maintain that cache while reserving that spot for them in case they ever choose to make use of it again.
It would be quite a letdown to place a cache and maintain it to suddenly find it missing with one from the neglectful owner who suddenly decided they wanted to use that spot again.
And from the overall perspective it would be a bit childish for me to harbor ill feeling toward someone who reserved a spot years ago whether they use it or not. I suspect the same is true of my expectation that they would drop a message back, or pay attention to a log entry. I can accept a person gets attached to a spot they planted a cache being reluctant to give it up. And its their choice whether they read a log or respond to a message.What's left then is to find new spots, place and maintain caches in those, ignoring the ones in disrepair and missing. Don't know how many times I have to read it until it sinks in, but some leave the area and some leave the game.
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As a person just barely a month in, I'm still trying decide what I think.
About/At least 77 of the 122 in this county are micros (63%).
Many are placed along a route from point A to point B.
Many have no other reason to be than, "I frequently travel this route" with little to nothing about the area, no reason for the cache, and may or may not include "you are looking for a camoed film canister/pill bottle/whatever."
These are things I've come to realize through researching the area caches trying to discover the more interesting ones. Was thinking last night it would be a good idea to know what areas (and what type caches) receive the most visits, i.e., is there a certain type cache, or certain area people go out of the way to see?
I've already realized that travelers passing through are more likely to stick the main roads which means a trail of micros along a major highway will have more visits then some of the nicer caches well off the highway. From that respect, the cache owner is giving the travelers/stats padders/whatever you call them, exactly what want.
But is a good micro better than an average/or below, regular with some nice swag? I don't know. At least two major variables seem to be the deciding factors.
1. The cachers interests.
2. How much interest you can generate in your cache (without regard for type).
For now, I reserve hate for broccoli, but even then, if its on my plate, I eat a good portion of it.-
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Very interesting indeed.......I believe this is the old tree....
Reporting from Middlegate, Nev. — Fredda Stevenson sized up the despondent young man who'd slunk into her remote watering hole on U.S. Highway 50. He was thirsting for beer and, as Stevenson learned, advice.
His new bride, he grumbled, had blown all their cash on slot machines in Reno. Then they'd sped east through 100 miles of sagebrush and hills as dark and lumpy as mud pies. They camped down the road from Stevenson's bar, near a large cottonwood tree that had inexplicably thrived in Nevada's badlands. The couple started quarreling.
She threatened to walk home. He snatched her shoes, hurled them into the cottonwood's branches and said: Go ahead. Try. He stormed off with the car and ended up two miles away, at Old Middlegate Station. He polished off two beers before listening to Stevenson's sage counsel:
"You want to be married for the rest of your life? You better learn to say 'I'm sorry' now."
As Stevenson told it, the groom shuffled back and apologized. Then, at his bride's insistence, he hurled his own shoes into the tree.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/16/nation/la-na-shoe-tree-20110217
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Okay......didn't check on caches. Looked for shoe trees in Churchill County, Nevada.
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3 minutes ago, CeraWithaC said:
I just checked and it's not there, so I'll add it!
Use your idea on the Loneliest Highway Shoe Tree on HWY 50. It's in Churchill County Nevada.
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arisoft, that is a good idea. Making an effort to let them know what was removed will make me feel better too.
cerberus1, wrote a note that the log was replaced.
I'll do the picture, edit the log and write a note on the coin page.
I tried to contact this owner a couple of weeks ago to adopt a cache since they are no longer in the area. They haven't logged in since June, 2015. No response.
Thanks!
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Had a cache bugging me.
The first time I found it, the log was soaked. There was other waterlogged paper that was nothing but pulp in the bottom. Being new I just signed a piece of paper, left some swag.
Then two things happened. It was suppose to contain a Suncatcher Geocoin which I didn't see.
And we had a couple of days bad thunderstorms.
Went to check it today. Yes, took a roll of toilet tissue and a box of ziplocks.
Removed everything. Separated the rusty metal and paper balls from what was in good shape.
Wiped it thoroughly and replaced the log with a pocket notebook in a ziplock.
No coin.
So what do you do with all the wet paper and rusty metal whatnot? (I put it in a second ziplock and brought it home, but not sure if that's the right thing to do.)
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I agree. I am completely nonplussed every time I see a set of micros with the description like "Cuddles #77 - This is the 77th micro of my favorite pet names series."
Makes no sense.
Like why (other than numbers) should anyone care about your favorite pet names, much less you have 77 FAVORITE PET NAMES? (Can't you be normal and narrow it down to 10 or so?)
And what do all these pet names have to do with this trail/path/highway?
(Now I'm just using that type series as an example. You can plug in anything to want like "Famous people who don't know this place exists," or "Great Inventors who never visited this spot," and the always popular........"Here's tree cache #48 of 2981.")