welch

Thanks for reminding me of the purpose of CITO

I don't usually agree with goats, but that was a good summary.

Fill out the cache page as normal, but uncheck the 'yes this cache is active' box. Then it won't go to the reviewer, and won't be listed. Print on that page and given a copy to your friend. Of course they'll notice the big message at the top saying the cache has not been published, but they will probably figure out pretty quick anyway.

You're making a distinction that isn't on point. Some people are not terribly diplomatic (that's a polite way of saying "jerk"). Some people are kind and considerate. People of both flavors are distributed throughout the population of all people, and throughout the population of all cachers. There's no connection between find count and/or duration in geocaching, and being a jerk or a gentleman. Seeing find count attached to the username - that and only that - does seem to drive many to make some kind of connection. It's an illusion. This seems to come up pretty often. Just last week someone was complaining about a really rude log. He didn't mostly complain about the log, he mostly went on and on about the high find count of the person logging it. Not to point. It was a rude guy, logging - he was a rude guy when he started caching, and now, a couple of years later, he still is. That his find count is high isn't a reason for his rudeness, it's just part of who that person is. The game is heavily driven and enabled by the people who have been involved for a while. They're running local geocaching websites, state associations, doing land manager visits, explanations, and geocaching events. They're site volunteers here and on state, local and national sites. It's a nice group of people, sprinkled with the occasional jerk, just like anything else. All true. People are people, some are jerks.

I don't know that its just power trails, but saturation in general. The 'caches per day' or 'caches per trip' has gone up up up. As it does the time spent logging each cache has gone down. There have always been people that cached a lot, and those that find only a few at a time, but I think the "average" has been shifting.

Generally a log only does one thing. If you found the cache, and it also needs mainence, then you need to post both types of logs. Found logs mark the cache found for you. Need maintenance logs mark the cache as needing maintenance.

so what does this screen do?? and what/why does it turn on? Did I accidently tell it to send a waypoint or something I loaded my gps off gask, and hadn't disconnected yet because I was looking at some cache pages when the page popped up to try and load something http://www.geocaching.com/seek/sendtogps.a...12-8b011699538d

Stop with the doublespeak and tell us the price already!

Got a box from you today. good to know, thanks for reporting back

Guess it would depend on what one is celebrating. Turning off selective availability May 2. Placement of first cache May 3. Geocaching.com going online Sept. 2. Of course May 1st this year falls on a Saturday

If he is doing a distance search, MOCs will show up listed by distance just like other caches. Its just they won't be able to view the actual page unless they are a premium member.

Right. Either need new caches poping up regularly, or new cachers joining and gong out finding.

Yes, been planning to attend a 10th Anniversary since last fall. of course at that point it was just an event event, not a special icon one

ten coins went in the mail today (mine & ccwashburns), should be there around the end of the week. just fyi

I would disagree that Groundspeak owns the game. However that's off track from the topic. 1 for 1 TB rules are more like a request from the cache owner. While the cache owner has the ability to delete your log, doing so for not following the TB rules would be like a ALR. Which are of course no longer allowed by Groundspeak.

An ammo box and an actual log entry? Did these people have to print the page out on paper??

Sounds plausable. Geocachers who travel to cache do a great deal more running around to find caches than the average person/visitor I would think. So the CVB needs to figure out what the trade off is. Geocachers on average spend X more in gas, but Y less time spend in stores compared to average tourist.

Either have to find them in caches, get them the owners, or go to the PT site and make one (then apperently been a bunch of trade offers. never done one myself but thats my understanding anyways).

I would tend to disagree with the No Premium Features have been removed... We lost a few cache types, and although gained another site (Waymarking) for those to be placed in to still can not query and produce a mass PQ like file for therefore I have lost a segment of Points of Interest that I could query for and return in a pseudo automated fashion. I do agree that this is a GREY area as a cache type is not a PM feature (outside of PM Only) but the ability to query those types was a Feature of Functionality of the PQ generator... Now with that being said, I do not see that as a huge burden to the perceived value. It is a hit for me as I really enjoyed searching for virtuals and being able to log them on the same site. Now I have to manually search Waymarking (actually the wife does..) and then log them on a completely different site. Once again, I reiterate that this is not an absolute example of loosing a PM feature depending on you perception... I can see the limits raise offloading some of the burden users experience, but it is just a band-aid from my perspective.(as stated earlier in this thread my focus for desired improvement is on trip planning not my home area query ability) What I would have liked to see, is instead of an upper bounds on tool limits changed, is to offer more fidelity in the way the limit is imposed. I would like to see the tools not having defined tool bounds, and instead having an overall Data feature bounding. In other words I would like the ability to run as many or few PQs CAARPQs etc until I reach the Data feature upper limit. The ablity to see archived caches on the maps has been eliminated. but overall map quality as gone up, so perhaps that is a wash.

I was thinking along the lines of an official database sanctioned by Groundspeak and adopted by the large regional groups..... Rather than one interested party.... I'd be happy to help, but one person (even a fun guy like me) can't motivate the numbers needed to participate. Seriously, does anyone see the need for this besides me??? Well if you tried to do a poll before and it was deleted then apprently Groundspeak doesn't see the need. What I was thinking was more along the lines of you get some tourism board in a larger city to sponsor the survery. You know a place that would might benefit if a mega came there. The city gets to realize they could get some people there spending that would spend on average $$ per person. And since it was run by an offical city group it may actually have some weight with other similar cities.

Yes.

They're an option because Groundspeak made it possiable. If you use it or not, it up to you. Lots of reasons PM could be disliked. Based on your 'quotes' I would guess the person feels MOCs limit available caches.

Set up your own survey, elsewhere, and ask people that attended to X event to take the survey.

No not around here BD, several states away. If It was close I'd just go phyisically yank my bug out .

How about just emailing the usual brokers and asking if they have any mints in the US they could contract to. If they do then move forward to what and how much... Maybe you've already done this?