PandyBat

OIC....thanks for the explanation. Half a find...LOL

Just wanted to add, that it might be a good idea when hiding caches to establish what is and what is not acceptable to log as a find in the cache page description. That way when someone logs a questionable find, you reserve the right to delete it if they didn't actually find the cache itself. For example, I plan on stating in my cache description that unless they sign the logbook, I won't count it as a find and the log will be deleted. May cause some rifts but at least it won't mislead other cachers that don't read the logs before they go after my cache to make sure the cache is still there.

My previous find of said cache: Thanks for your opinion. I personally had no problem with the find and when I talked to the cache owner he thought it was funny. Shane It would depend on if the cache owner wants to accept it as a find. Personally, I didn't sign the log book, so I wouldn't count it as a find for myself. I would probably log this one as a note to the cache owner and go back out after it after the water went down and it was more accessible. If I wasn't planning on going back to it later, I would log it as a DNF because even though I found the cache, I didn't sign the log book. That's just how I prefer to do log finds. Everyone does it differently. What's confusing is, why is the pic that zoejam72 took the same pic shown on the cache page?

Read up a few posts, happy cachers! El Diablo has already given you the directions to the first part to get you started. Part one There is no "list". Looks like he's giving directions in this thread.

Too many problems with traveling caches....that's why they aren't allowed. I can see where they would run into all kinds of problems...someone not being able to get back to log the newest coords in time, someone posting wrong coords, someone forgetting to place the cache in another spot, etc.

They'll probably try to get ahold of the cache owner first and post an impending archive note in the logs. I've been watching those in my area that I can either adopt or replace the archived cache in the same area with one of my own. Running out of good places to hide a cache in my area.

Ok.....I think I see the difference....a little. Instead of posting new waypoints, they post the make and model. Still borderlines a traveling cache to me but hopefully this one works out ok for the cache hider.

Man....can this game and its guidelines get any more confusing!? What is the difference between this and a traveling cache (which is not allowed)? Maybe I would have to see where this has been placed to truly understand how it is setup. I kinda get the idea about how it works. I'm not bashing the cache hider by any means...sounds like a cool cache. But it also seems like this borderlines the no traveling cache guidelines.

Awesome! Cool history for the YJTB!

Oh, I'm so sorry, Pandybat. I didn't realize I was indulging in elitist, non-log-reading snobbery. Wow! Well, I stand corrected--GSAK and Premium Memberships, begone! Don't even go there with me. That's not what I was saying at all. Have a nice night!

Thanks for CITOing! Sounds like you had your hands (and trunk) full!

I agree Briansnat. And I also agree with Snoogans that it's the cache owners responsibility to delete logs that don't count as a legitimate find. Most don't do it. So that's why I always read the logs before I go on a hunt for any cache. I can't let someone else dictate my time by logging a bogus find.

Maybe that's because you haven't spent a big chunk of your time looking for a missing cache, because the PQ you did made it clear that the cache had just been "found" yesterday--and you didn't have the time to comb the logs for happy faces that read: "found where it should have been!" So you went out and wasted your afternoon. Compound this a few times, and you'll understand why not logging DNF's is so wrong. Not to mention, it makes it more difficult for the cache owner to realize that something has gone amiss with the cache. Excuse me?.....yes I have spent quite a bit of time hunting for a cache that wasn't there. And I leave notes for those types of hunts unless I am positive that it was there and I did not find it. I don't do FOUNDS and DNF's on account of people that use PQ's either. Read the logs like the rest of us before you go. I don't logs finds unless I've signed a log book, plain and simple.

It's not about the numbers, so who cares how they log, right? If they want to cheat on their stats, it's none of my business.

Give it a couple days. After everyone from the event has grabbed it, grab it back and take it to another cache.

I don't see why they don't just go to the chat room and have their fun. I don't mind the thread so much as it annoys me about the new posts notification like alot of other people.

OK! OK!! I'll go get one now just because I'm scared of what you'll do to me if I don't!

We had the most awesome time today at the event! Perfect weather, lots of caches, prizes, great people, food and fun! Check out our pictures on the cache page. We even had a camo-ammo box cake! Hope to see you all at the next event! If you are from the Springfield, Missouri and surrounding areas, join Ozark Mountain Geocachers or Ark/Mo Geocachers email list through the links in my profile to keep up to date on the latest news and events for this area.

LOL!! I've never been "grabbed" so many times in my life! LOL!! This is fun! I'll skip the tattooing part though. Nothing like being 90 yrs old with a serial number tattooed on your butt and can't remember what it was for...LOL

I am wondering what the cache owner thought was the attraction of this cache.

It sounds like a great idea if you can get it worked out right. I'd like to do one like this too but I'm not that great with computer graphics. Awesome idea for a cache, Osmirik!

Awesome, Teach2Learn! Wish I was in your area to search for that one! Looks great. You did a really good job on the cache page. Shouldn't be any doubts on this one from all the descriptions and extra information you gave. Good job!

You did the right thing, dzdiver. In my case, I cache with my daughter 75% of the time. I appreciate when people leave notes in their logs about places that might not be appropriate to take her with me. Heck, sounds like a place I wouldn't even want to go to by myself, let alone with a child. For the owner to delete that tidbit of information that you shared in order to give someone the heads up about the area the cache is hidden in, well, that just makes me mad. If it was me, I probably wouldn't do anymore of that persons cache hides after the lack of concern shown for the safety of cache visitors.

I think geocachers do a great job in general. I wish more CITO'd as much as they could. I never see anything about it in logs. It's one of the greatest things we can do as geocachers.

Bump...... 4 days and counting!