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I also have a 650. It is running 364Beta. I tried the sequence you outlined above. My 650 also turned off.

Yogazoo, Thanks for this heads-up. Yes, "Vertical Distance to Destination" is a very nice addition to Montana FW. Overall, I think that 3.63 Beta is an elegant upgrade. Thank you Garmin!

Please note: You can install it on a Mac. I have installed 3.63 beta on my Montana today. In the past I have installed many Oregon and Montana betas using a Macintosh computer. It is quite easy to do: !. Download the beta 3.63 software to your Mac. 2. After you download beta 3.63 you will have "MontanaBeta_363Beta.exe" on your Mac. 3. Expand "MontanaBeta_363Beta.exe." I use the free "The Unarchiver." 4. After it is expanded it will expand to a folder named "MontanaBeta_363Beta." Open the folder. 5. Inside the folder named "MontanaBeta_363Beta" are some unneeded Windows-centric files and another folder named "Montana." Open that folder. 6.There is yet another folder called "Garmin" inside "Montana." Open it. 7. You will finally see the file you need to upgrade your Montana to the beta firmware. It is called "GUPDATE.GCD." 8. Attach the Montana to your Mac via a USB cable. Choose to go into "Mass Storage." Once you see the Montana "GARMIN" drive on your desktop, open it. Then open the "Garmin" folder and copy the file "GUPDATE.GCD" file from the "MontanaBeta_363Beta" folder which is on your desktop, to the "Garmin" folder on the Montana. 9. After the file "GUPDATE.GCD" has been copied to your Montana, disconnect the Montana from your Macintosh and restart the Montana. 10. That's it, your Montana now is running FW 3.63 Beta. BTW, After the Montana beta firmware upgrade has taken place, please note that the file "GUPDATE.GCD" has been automatically removed from the Garmin folder on your Montana.

The cradle is well made and solid. There is however a potential weak spot with the mount I purchased to which the cradle is attached. I would not use this mount if I was doing serious off-road mountain biking. My perception is that the mount could fail if there was significant jarring and torque applied to the mount. If you plan to use the Montana cradle for serious mountain biking there is another Ram-Mount mount I suggest you consider. Consider this mount for gonzo riding. Here is the reason I did not choose the stronger mount. The mount that I purchased allows the user to remove the Montana cradle from the bike. I like that ability. I do not want the cradle to be attached to the bike all the time. The stronger mount has the cradle permanently attached to the mount, and is not easily or quickly removable.

Good question. Ram-Mount did a great job in designing the cradle. Truth be told, it was worth the wait. You can charge the Montana while it is in the cradle. If your Montana has a camera, you can take a picture while the Montana is in the cradle. You can attach the Montana to an audio cable while the Montana is in the cradle. You can attach an external antenna while the Montana is in the cradle. I will post some more pictures and user comments later today. The cradle is plastic.

this looks the same and from gpscity, but the price is 36.95 http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-garmin-montana-600-650-650t-motorcycle-mount-ram-b-149-ga46u.html You are showing the Montana cradle and other components that may, or may not, be necessary to mount the cradle depending on what are your mounting requirements. Here is the cradle by itself This is the cradle and the mounting accessory I purchased to mount the Montana on a bicycle: About $20 shipped

After having to wait a number of months, Ram-Mount is finally shipping the Montana cradle. I received mine today from GPSCity (about $11 including shipping) and mounted the Montana on a bicycle. Here is a picture of the setup:

Yogazoo, Nice find; thanks for the heads-up. A very useful addition to the Montana both for beginners... and old-timers!

There is no way for the Montana to know that there is a road-block and automatically reroute you around the road closure. You can however instruct the Montana to find another route to your destination. This is how I would do it. Where to>Find Another>(choose the same waypoint)>Go>Automobile Driving>Select A Calculation Method>(if you originally choose Minimum Time, now choose Minimum Distance, and visa versa.) It's not an elegant way to reroute, but it should work.

I haven't experienced any shutdowns yet, but then I don't really play around with shortcuts, because I am pretty happy with the default settings. The freezing map happened again a few times yesterday. I read on another forum someone else noticing the same, freezing was gone, but is back again with v3.60. Maybe it is something map related, or auto route recalculation, which could freeze the unit. I'll have to experiment with that, but when it happened a few days ago, the map froze, then it said that it was recalculating the route, but this went at a very slow pace, instead of the usual few seconds (this was in Auto mode by the way). A manual power-off/power-on reset the unit, and then it found the route again within a few seconds. So it seems occasionally the software goes into a loop or something. I had this happen during a route yesterday too on version 3.6. Wayne Other issue noticing today is that after a while the driving instruction aren't updated anymore (when in Auto mode). So for instance it tells me to go right, and after I turned right, the distance is showing 0 meters, with the name of the street I needed to turn into. Then after a while it updates with the next road. Pretty anoying when driving through an area where there are lots of streets and junctions following each other very rapidly. Do you have "Map Speed" set to Fast? (Setup>Map>Map Speed)

I use iPhone and the Montana 650 and it works fine. HOWEVER, every time you attach the Montana 650 to a Mac, iPhoto automatically launches regardless if you have photos stored within the Montana... that gets old REAL QUICK!

Good questions. Here are the answers: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/buymaps.do

I've been an early adopter since the Colorado series and had to ride the bugs all the way through to the Oregon 300, then again with the 450, dakota, 62S etc. The Montana is the best GPS yet with the most ease of use. The screen cannot be beat on any of todays hand-held GPS units. The units firmware always gets better over the course of about a year until they can work it out. And remember, people don't usually gloat about how rockin' awesome a unit is on these boards. Generally it's a place to gripe about, discover, and overcome problems. After owning 10 Garmins going way back, The Montana 6XX is the best yet and comes highly recommended. Thank you Yogazoo, I couldn't have said it any better.

If any of you still do not see trails as red dashed lines after software v3.2... I fixed this problem after uninstalling my original installation of Topo 24k and reinstalling a fresh copy. I then generated a new .IMG from the fresh installation and vwalla, red trails! Excellent!

I am not having the problem you are experiencing. I am also using CN NT 2012.20. As Bullygoat29 alluded, I believe your Automobile profile is incorrectly set. I suggest you review your automobile profile settings. It is not a firmware issue.

Your statement is confusing. You couldn't find any or your trails show as red dashes and your unpaved roads are gray? Yogazoo, I feel fairly sure that "Walts Hunting" is saying that when he looked at Yosemite he saw the single track trails as red dashes. In the area where he lives most of the "trails" are dirt road or old logging roads, and they are shown as gray. I noticed the same thing in the San Francisco Bay area. Old logging roads or fire roads are still shown as gray, whereas single track trails are, in the main, shown with red dashes.

Yogazoo, I have Garmin's 24k West Topographic map installed in my Montana which is running SW version 3.20. I did a rudimentary check of two different locations: Yosemite National Park and Mount Tamalpais California State Park. Both locations show trails as dashed red lines. I do not know if all trails in the above mentioned parks are dashed red lines, but my quick check does confirm that the 24K West Topo map shows at the least some trail as dashed red lines.

I downloaded V3.10 from WebUpdater Change History Changes made from version 2.80 to 3.10: Added support for advanced geocache logging with OpenCaching.com. See TrailTech (http://garmin.blogs.com/softwareupdates/2011/08/advanced-geocache-logging-with-opencachingcom.html) for more information. Added Restore Defaults option to setup pages Fixed issue where proximity alarms would not be audible Fixed issue that occurred with the altimeter page when using a 24-hour clock Fixed issue where the map would sometimes not refresh when using the active route page Fixed an issue where the dashboard would sometimes appear while panning on the map Fixed issue with saving tracks in area calculation page Fixed issue with highlighting of some shortcuts in the drawer Fixed issue with the keyboard layout in landscape orientation when the system language was set to French Fixed issues that sometimes occurred when exiting Where To? > Address or Where To? > Intersection Modified the 'Arriving at Destination' message banner so that it no longer appears when navigating to a geocache

When your creating a shortcut go into "Setup" and select "Map Information". You can make a shortcut that enables or disables each mapset. Before this update you could create a shortcut that enabled and disabled each map except for BirdsEye. Now it works with birdseye too! I am always disabling/enabling birdseye and it's nice to now have a shortcut where I can do it from the map screen (Favorites). Thank you Yogazoo.

Yes, thank you. I will also use it for geotagging.

Hmmm, I'm still getting the beep (when locked from the main menu page). If I lock it on any other screen like the map or trip computer, it only beeps when I tap the X button. Maybe that's what you mean, I think it used to beep on any screen anywhere you tapped. Yogazoo, Thank you for checking on my report. You are correct, the device beeps when it is locked from the main page; no beep when it is locked from the map page, unless you tap the X button. I appreciate your attention to details.

I noticed a change within 2.70 that has not been noted. Prior to 2.70, if you locked the Montana and touched the screen inadvertently, the device would beep... after a while that could become somewhat annoying. Now, with 2.70 if you lock the device and touch the screen... there is no sound. I appreciate that.

Mistaken post.

I grabbed 2.70 with the WebUpdater without any problem. I am located in northern California.

I'd be curious as to your experiences. I have a OR 450 and I find bright sun the best for viewing maps. Is that not true for photos also? I also have a Nuvi 295, taking a photo or reading a map in bright sun is virtually impossible. The map screen was the better of the two, the screen on camera view in the sunlight I had was appaling and on some occasions unviewable; it was too dark and I had to guess at taking the picture and then walk to some shady area to see if had come out. I also had some occasions when it was overcast and raining and did find that the map wasn't as clear as I'd have liked. Having had a bit of a play I think it really depends not just on whether it's dull/sunny but also the type and angle of light; it shouldn't but as you say, sunlight does help. I do have a Zagg shield which somehow I managed to take a chip out of that makes using the touchscreen a bit tricky but I don't think that makes any difference in visibility. Looking at them on my PC the images have come out fine though. Given the choice I doubt I would buy this again; next time it would be a separate digital camera with GPS functionality built-in or a smartphone, and a separate dedicated Geocaching device with just the core features that I need (strong signal, clear display in all light, like my ipod touch, and pocket query capability). I know now what is really important, I didn't before I started - hindsight eh? Had I been in the US I might look at DeLorme as an alternate, or a Montana 650, but in the UK we're pretty much restricted to being overcharged for Garmin devices. Here is my experience. I have the 650 Montana, and the map readability in sunlight is fantastic! The ability to see the camera image in sunlight is poor to very poor. The map readability in sunlight trumps the camera screen viewability... in spades. I purchased the camera option to simply have the ability to take a picture at a certain location and have that location's latitude and longitude recorded within the image's exif data. It's easy to talk about carrying a camera with you, in addition to the GPS, and yes, that is preferable. But reality always overrules what you plan to do. As camera affectionatos are wont to say, "The best camera you have, is the one you are carrying with you." The main reason I purchased the Montana is because of the excellent map readability, and to have a method of marking lat/long at a particular location is another asset of my 650. It is the best GPS I have owned... and I have had a few since I purchased a Magellan 315 in 1999.