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  1. Consider if this might be the reason why they haven't bothered to change.

    Think outside the box.....

    Change your distance units to "yards"........then think each pace / step is approx. 1 yard........  It then switches a to decimal miles at 1 mile

    This is also why using UTM coordinates  is most useful.

    Each pace is approx. 1 number on the last  digit in the coordinate....either more East or less East, or More North or less North to get to your desired destination.

    Your brain doesn't function in degrees, minutes,seconds or decimal.....it works with distance to or from an object.



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  2. I know that you can copy your profiles to a computer before a reset, then reinstall afterwards to retain all your desired original settings.

    However, can it be done without the transfer to a computer?

    Does anyone know offhand if a  user could just switch to another unused profile, then do the factory default reset, then switch back, and have the Original or Normally Used profile settings remain unchanged?

    The reason for the reset is to restart the waypoint numbering sequence back to " one".



  3. Montana 650 specifically but other models as well.


    1. Is there a way to sort track names in the Track Manager list by alpha / nearest? (Similar to waypoints in Wpt Mgr)


    2.How to "bulk change" user determined track characteristics such as "track color" and "show on map" that seem to revert or change whenever/during software updates.


    Would temporarily changing from my standard profile during update cure the undesired changes in #2?


    Any input would be appreciated.


    Garmin CS answers...very polite, but ...

    1- NO


    3- ??????

  4. No, you cannot change or adjust the ambient pressure reading. Nor do you need to....


    The "Ambient Pressure", by definition, is the "surrounding" pressure that THAT gauge, "feels" at THAT time , at that place, under whatever existing circumstances ....


    The ambient pressure number is used as an indicator as to what "this" gauge is feeling. You, as the operator, then use a "Known" elevation, or (Official)Barometric pressure reading to "Tell" this GPS gauge that the next time it feels this exact pressure(or right now ), that you want it to display that it is at "XX" elevation or the Baro Pressure is "XX".


    When you calibrate, what you are doing is "adjusting " for whatever (ambient) pressure differences your unit is "feeling" vs another unit, another location, etc.


    It can also be plotted but is a purely "relative" number......

  5. Robert,

    In GE , Right click on track, choose Elev Profile and I see Elevation, Distance, and Speed all plotted but nowhere do I see an option to add Heart Rate.

    I've verified that the data is in the GPX file.

    Data is downloaded from a Montana 650 into Expert GPS, then that track copied to a separate file, then that file opened in GE.

    HR data is from Garmin chest strap by Ant+ to the Montana.


    Problem Solved-Same GPX file saved from BC in GPX format shows HR Data,,,,so problem is EGPS problem.

  6. Anyone know how to print a graph from/in Basecamp?


    I imported a track file(GPX)into Basecamp that has Heartrate data incluced. I can View the graph of the track profile with Elevation plotted against Heartrate and distance etc. However I haven't been able to figure how to print that graph.


    What am I missing ?

  7. I respectfully disagree. The experts are HERE, so, ask here to see if anyone knows of a valid reason "why not", then go there and ask for a change with the backing of additional voices that apparently didn't know it was possible in the first place.

    Again, it apparently isn't important.

  8. Red, you seem to be trying to answer a non technical question with a technical answer. I and probably most other people understand that the reason why "any and everything is the way it is" is because "that" is the way it was done by whomever created it.


    I don't have "issues" with character limitation if there is valid reason. If no one ever asks "Why" then nothing ever gets changed. Another valid question would be "Why would anyone resort (for 10 Yrs) to using POIs when long descriptions work with waypoints also. (but users can't directly input them)

    Don't get technical again......, I understand the difference between POIs, Waypoints, different limits and display characteristics. I also understand that the user cannot edit individual POI attributes on the unit.


    What I was asking was "Can anyone think of a logical reason why there would only be a(n) artificial limit on the direct input and not an actual hard limit on retaining and display ?"


    If it is important enough, before having to use a workaround for 10 years, why wouldn't someone question a seemingly arbitrary limit . Two possible answers, either they didn't know that the limit was arbitrary, or that waypoints could actually have longer descriptions in their unit.


    A third possibility...maybe I answered the question myself....It's not important enough.

  9. Because that is how they have designed their software.... What are you expecting to accomplish with the question?


    If you want a solution.... Use custom POIs. They have a very high character limit. This is what everyone has been doing for the last 10 years to get around the waypoint character restriction.


    It is a serious question....

    R90....what's with the DUH "attitude" and condescending sarcasm" answer?

    Maybe it's because you don't understand your own GPS, or know how to use it's full capabilities....10 yrs...really?


    Try this.....create a waypoint in BaseCamp or other software...I used EGPS.

    In the Note field type an excessively long description. Use multiple characters and spaces totaling, let's say, over 200-250+ characters /spaces.


    Now send that waypoint to yoour GPS. (I used Montana 650-input characters limited to approx 50)


    Now, on your GPS. go to Where To, Waypoints, choose the waypoint you created.

    When that waypoint is displayed, touch the waypoint name balloon at the top.

    What do you see below?......the entire 200-250-?? total character note is displayed. UNRESTRICTED ...really? doing it that way for 10 yrs?


    Now, back to the original legitimate question...

    "Why is there an input limit (length varies by unit model) on the number of characters that can be entered on the unit into the note field?"

    As demonstrated by the example above,it is apparently only a limit on "Direct input" on the unit itself. The unit is fully capable of receiving and displaying much longer descriptions than a user can directly input.


    If the user attempts to edit a "Long" note on the unit with Waypoint Manager, the unit automatically/immediately truncates the note back to the "Restricted Input" length. It does this by discarding/deleting the excess data. ....that note only. Data on other long notes is unaffected.


    In other words, you can get the data there and display it, but not change it (on the unit).


    Why would there be an "artificial" limit, and only on direct input data?

  10. YZ

    In the sidewalk & track test, were all 4 units carried simultaneously or singularly (or pairs) on separate trips?

    If simultaneously, in what relationship to each other were they?


    What was the exact track "length" comparison between units on the "track" test?


    What is the explanation for so few of the tracks actually recording that you traveled down the center of the sidewalk and on the inside lane of the track? Seems like most of them thought you were trampling on the grass a significant amount of the time. Was it GPS error or image geo-referencing error?

  11. @ nfh,

    Go back up to Post #3- Your question (and @happydutch's)was fully answered before you even asked your's.


    Now, since you apparently did not understand that one,and made your post anyway, go down to Post #11 and go to sussamb's first link. Read that and re-read it as many times as necessary for you to understand. Go to every bit of referenced info in that link. Do you understand what "Active Route" is? Look at the list of points.


    It's not a matter of your question not being answered, the problem is that you don't recognize that it has been answered, and also have refused any assistance in creating a method to prove it to yourself....and learn.


    I apologize for trying to be of assistance, it won't happen again.

  12. New models will do the same actions and are more flexible/versatile than older models.


    In the last post above, based solely on the indiscriminate switching between terms such as track point,route point,track,route,trackback as if those totally different terms are interchangeable, I honestly wish you luck in learning how to use your new GPS.


    Easy Fix....go back to your Vista HCx.

  13. @ sussamb,

    Have you ever seen, or are you aware of any model of Garmin GPS that "automatically creates Routepoints" ?


    @ nfh,

    In the other forum thread you noted, surely you noticed that the different posters were totally unfamiliar with the differences between and advantages of each, when talking about Tracks and Routes.


    See if this is clearer.....A TRACK is a path,trail,breadcrumb record of a trip that has already been DONE.....past tense. "Done" meaning either being drawn in some software or physically traveled by either you or someone else and recorded.


    A ROUTE is a preconceived idea / descriptive path of where you "want" to go.....future.

    Routepoints are pre_placed at "General" or "Best Guess" locations such as turns, etc. based on whatever data source you are using. Examples: Countour lines on a Topo map, Visible trail portions on an Aerial photo, obvious obsticles, where to leave a trail to reach nearby POIs.

    Routepoints tell you "approximately" how far to go "that direction" and "approximately" where to turn and what direction.


    When you "actually navigate somewhere" using that Route, on the ground you will follow a game trail or other obvious logical path of least resistance only recognizable "when you are there".


    When you finish, your TRACK will show exactly where you actually went, and how it differs from your ROUTE will also show how accurately you interpreted the Pre-Trip data.


    Navigating a ROUTE you travel from RPT to RPT in a general direction for a general distance based on what you encounter on the ground. The GPS will tell you when you are approaching a turn, etc.


    Navigating a Track is best done VISUALLY. User must constantly be looking at the GPS screen to be assured that they are still on the track, when really all the user NEEDS is to know which general direction and when to change.

  14. Sorru, but you still seem confused about the difference between trackpoints,route points and waypoints.


    When a GPS unit logs a track, it consists of multiple point locations automatically saved based on a user selected basis based on time or distance or Auto (unit does the selection)......those points are "Trackpoints"

    Those trackpoints create a "breadcrumb trail" of the path you traveled.


    Those are Not Route points OR Waypoints.


    Try this.....Google " Trackback Garmin" you will find detailed instructions.


    To do a Trackback, note that you have to be currently on the specific track. (otherwise you won't see the Trackback option)

    Go to Where To, Tracks, Current Track, (that's the track that the unit is currently logging so you will obviously be actually on it) Look at the bottom of the screen.....there you should see TRACKBACK.


    My previous instructions were not for any specific unit.

    You cannot "save" a track as a Route in the unit. You have to "Create" a Route (in the unit or in BaseCamp or??). Create a route in your unit (don't you have a Route Planner icon ?) use the map and pan between start ,first corner, second corner, etc and choose "Use" to add each one in succession to make your "route".


    You do NOT have to save the track with reversed points to do a Trackback. The unit automatically recognizes where you Currently (that's the key word) are and that you want to go back exactly the way you just came from. Note that if you wandered around a big circle at the end, the Trackback option is going to direct you back around that big circle....because that is exactly where you just came from before starting the "Trackback"


    To follow a previously saved track in reverse, that's when you have to save the track in reverse order. After saving a previously saved track in reverse order, then go to Where to,Tracks, select the R order track name, then GO and your unit will direct you to the new Start Point (which previously was the end point)


    Use BaseCamp or whatever software you have to create a "Route" and send it to your unit , or do it within the unit for the small course describe in the previous post. Follow the previous instructions until you truly understand what those data fields are telling you and why?

  15. There are too many instances of incorrect / mis-information in the 7 posts (both old and new) above to even try to sort out and correct.


    Posters are confusing tracknpoints, route points, waypoints as well as confusing how to navigate tracks, how to navigate routes, or how to navigate to a specified waypoint, and also how the GPS unit reacts differently when performing each of those different tasks.


    Create your own short course around 3/4 of your own block, with a start point at home and a different end point at the last corner before you get back home, with several twists and turns. Clear Current Track log at the beginning before starting.


    Walk it and save it as just a Track. (no waypoints)

    Now, convert it to, and save it as, a Route by placing Route points at the turn corners. (Use Route Planner)


    On your Compass page use Small Data Fields, and choose from multiple ones that might apply.

    Suggestions: Dist to Destination, Waypoint at Dest, Waypoint at next, Dist to Next, To Course AND Off Course (they are different).


    Be sure that Lock On Road is OFF.


    Now, "Navigate" your course as a Track, both forward and as a Trackback.

    Then Navigate it as a Route.

    Then navigate directly to one of the furthest corners.


    Watch the pointer AND all the different data fields to see what each is telling you and understand why.

    Change data fields, different ones tell you different things. Understand why they are telling you what they tell you.

    Intentionally go off course and see what / how your GPS directs you to get back on course. (closest point or closest route point or last point or?? )

    Is that the same for navigating tracks and for routes both? Surprise , surprise...


    Plan on taking LOTS of trips around the block.

  16. GARMIN WEB SITE..... says yes


    Thank you. I looked, and then searched the Garmin Montana page for 'GGZ' with zero results, must have been looking at the wrong page!



    Are you saying that you DID find it or DID NOT find the info?

    Just Google GGZ files then go to the first search result. (at least on mine)



  17. Just for reference, checking a single track from your new GPS vs 4 tracks from your older model really doesn't tell you anything.


    I regularly do a 4.81 mile trail (approximately 5-7 times a week). It has over 20 switch backs and 800+ ft elevation gain on the trip up. For the past several months, I have carried the same GPS every day, in the same Rt front shirt pocket, same track logging interval and method, no changes in any other user settings. The only changes affecting the track are the differences relating to different satellite positions day to day.


    The trail is an old wagon/auto road , and I intentionally stay in the right hand track on the way up and the opposite track on the way down. The two recorded tracks should never cross, but they sometimes do.....and sometimes the track shows me to have walked where there is nothing but air (off a cliff/ dropoff)


    The terrain of course stays exactly the same. The same rock cliffs , the same canyons, the same objects/bodies interfering in the same way, day to day.


    Multipath errors caused by reflected signals vary from day to day, due to sat positions changing day to day.


    On days where the track shows me to have taken wide turns out off the side of the road or some other inaccurate path , the error is reflected in the length of track. Other days, RH stays right on the way up and right on the way down, and doesn't show that I did any space walking.....and the length is accurate. I know what the accurate length is because I have measured it and rechecked it with a surveyors measuring wheel. (and have accurately marked the 1/4 mile increments)


    You soon learn that your GPS does not necessarily log it's actual position. What it actually logs is the position where it THINKS it is based on it's calculations from the sat signals it receives, whether they be good or bad , for a multitude of reasons.

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