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One of my good friends is on vacation out in Nevada. He just called me and told me to look at a unique benchmark he just logged. Can't say I have seen one like this before. http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=kr1649 KR1649'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1951 (LGT) KR1649'THE STATION IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF A HILL ABOUT 1/2 KR1649'MILE WEST OF VIRGINIA CITY. IT IS A LARGE LETTER V MADE OUT KR1649'OF WHITE WASHED ROCKS. KR1649' KR1649'THE UPPER LEFT-HAND EDGE OF THE LETTER WAS THE POINT INTERSECTED

Hmm, that one is hard to answer. I took nine shots of this Tri-station Saturday, but do average 2-3 per standard benchmark. I'll have to get back to you

Dave, that's extremely interesting. If I'm understanding correctly, the USGS didn't really do anything specifically to get their information into the NSRS..... but it was the NGS who really "bluebooked" all the USGS marks that are in the NSRS? For some reason I thought that the other agencies, after meeting the NGS bluebooking requirements, sent their info to you to be specifically included in the NSRS. Now, I see where you even do more things behind the scenes. It's like I said before, you are a ninja.

Now that is one good cache write-up. Sounds like a great geocache (Expect to spend the better part of a day reaching this location). Putting it on my bucket list and placing a link to it in our local geocache forums. If that ftf prize is the geocoin I am thinking it is, I am already jealous, as I stated in a previous forum how I wanted one.

Andy, you didn't get the top-secret memo DaveD sent out to us about this? You must have been away for awhile. Seriously, I have been seeing a lot of local marks getting updated HH1 coordinates, with many of these being reference marks for triangulation stations. I am assuming that since the stations had adjusted coordinates, that you could use computer programs that will give you accurate numbers from the measurements and compass directions to achieve this. However, this is just a guess on my part, and I'm sure we'll get the low-down shortly.

I was sending in recovery reports today, and was going to send an email to Deb about BW1564 being destroyed. I happened to look at the datasheet for it first, and see where Dave Doyle (I assume those are his initials on the report) has already marked it as destroyed. I'm going to start calling him Ninja Dave, cause of how silently and fast he operates. I bet he can even throw disks like other ninjas throw stars.

I got it Mike, and will start looking at them hard. We plan to get back over near the MS River and look for several older ones there. I did manage to get East Carroll Parish turned from white to blue yesterday, for Jim's map purposes with CP3384 and CP3386, which just happened to pop out on us as we were pulling off the road to do some reorganizing. Funny stuff like that happens. We also found a newer disk DG4769 (2002) by accident as we were heading into Lake Chicot Park. Our Nuvi dinged and there it was on a concrete culvert. It's apparently an Army Corps Height Modernization Survey Station disk, monumented by (I'm guessing, a surveying company but am not sure)

I'm still here, what have you got? hktire@aol.com

That recovery goes to CQ3409. I can't believe I crossed them up. I will wait till the datasheets show up to see. I checked today and it seems that the NGS has posted a lot of recoveries. CQ3410 is listed as a not found. Evidently I either reported it wrong, or as I have now noticed, my actual recovery report in itself seems to state it is a not found (even though I was just referring to the azimuth mark part of the triangulation station).....which I also should have clarified more. Maybe the big guy, DaveD, will see this and fix my error. I did post a pic of CQ3410 with DSWorld which has been added to the datasheet. I also got a bone to pick with Jim. That white parish in the northeast corner of LA (East Carroll) that shows up on his map keeps annoying me so. I may have to go up there today and color it in........then if I'm that close, I'll just have to drive on up to southeast Arkansas and pick up a hiking stick medallion, while doing the Arkansas State Park Geocache Challenge at Lake Chicot..........I really don't have time for this as that would take up my whole Sunday, that I need to be out mowing and doing yard work. So it's all Holograph's fault.

Cool. I never knew that's what they were called. Sure needed some in front of my shop a few years ago when that kid hopped over the curb (which he blew his tires out on), and ran up into it. When the cops caught him on down the road (yes, he backed out and ran off)with his flat tires, he told them he didn't realize he had ran up into the building. He then tried to spin it to his parents insurance company that it was my fault for not having the curbs set far enough back to keep him from going into the building. Maybe if I had some bollards set, it could have saved this kid a lot of lying.

Kayakbird, I have found several of this kind. I have noticed a lot of the times that the description for the bolt (which is underground) also is the same as for the cap. It's like they copied the same thing for the cap (surface) and bolt (subsurface) when they entered them onto a datasheet/database. However, they do list them like below too: This is from a cap & bolt pair I found and submitted a recovery on. The HH2 coordinates and pics I submitted have been added to the datasheet, just waiting on the actual recovery report to show. http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=CQ0974 http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=CQ0975 Now as far as a placement date being shown on one of these kind of caps, I can't say I have seen one yet. Let me go back and look at my logs to see.

We ran into a few things this weekend while looking for benchmarks south of our usual territory. There are a lot of US Corp of Engineer cap and bolt pairs, placed in this area in the 30's, which most don't have any recoveries on. A benchmarkers paradise you could say. LOL Our first situation, arose on BW1603, which is a cap named KING from 1934. We found (a) KING cap from the datasheet description, but it had been stamped that it was reset in 1975. Any ideas on what happened here, or how (if) it should be logged with the NGS? I just logged it as a note on gc.com. http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=BW1603 Our next situation happened at BW1564 which is a cap named SONES, also from 1934. There is no doubt we found the correct cap here, that was in the weeds, but it was attached to a broken off piece of pipe. It is destroyed. I thought about taking the cap, and trying to return it to the Corps, but didn't know if I really should. I'm not sure if the Corps are as friendly with us as the NGS is. Any advice on what (if anything) should be done about this, besides reporting it to Deb as destroyed for NSRS purposes. http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=BW1564 Thanks

That recovery goes to CQ3409. I can't believe I crossed them up. I will wait till the datasheets show up to see.

That doesn't sound right, at least for CQ3410. I found that one and submitted the photos for it using DSWorld. You can see this by the naming scheme of the photos, which I also used on my gc.com log. I will go back and find my notes on when I submitted them, which is all at home (I'm at work). Hopefully I didn't report that one as a dnf to the NGS......now I'm worried http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=CQ3410

Dang, you are going to make me want to get rid of my bagphone and get an android now.

Kerry, I sent it to you, but it got kicked back as an illegal file. I zipped it the next time and sent it again.

TillaMurphs, probably the easiest way to get you going right now is to just email you the program file, as it's only around 2mb. Just pop me a line at wmtire@yahoo.com so I can get your email address, and I'll attach the program to an email and send it right back to you. We can then troubleshoot your problems after the fact, but you can be using the program in the meanwhile. Bobby

I think it's going to be just a setting. First, let's clear your cookies and see what happens. Here are some how-to's on that: http://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=15141 http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=95647&from=95626&rd=1 Also, since you are having problems on two computers, are both of these computers accessing the internet thru the same location and/or router? If so, I believe it's going to be a firewall problem....or possibly the HOSTS file.

Yep - I can't get that link to work using Internet Explorer or Chrome. Does it work for you? Thanks, Yeah, it just worked all the way for me using FireFox 4. Exactly what is it doing (or not doing I guess)? Does it let you download, the won;t open, or just won't let you download period (which could be a security setting you have set)

Since FoxTrot hasn't answered and may be off checking on Route 66 marble sidewalks: Tillamurphs, what link are you using? Is it this one? http://ngs.tsqmadness.com/help/index.html

Hmmmm, at least your grass got watered so it's all green. If you want to talk about irony, down here in Louisiana where we are having all the flooding from the overflowing MS River and such...........we just went under a statewide outdoor burn ban yesterday (due to dry conditions)

How much would a 10 X 8 X 3 ft sandstone weigh? QU0182 I'm pretty sure that this one has shoved dirt from several yards away. kayakbird Even if you bought the disk fairly cheap, I bet shipping and handling costs would be a killer

PFF, I didn't see that comment listed in his feedback. It may have been removed. I know that NGS Surveyor has stated several times that he contacts the seller/Ebay whenever he becomes aware of one of their disks being offered for sale. Maybe the powers at the NGS, USGS, Corps of Engineers, etc need to send Ebay an official letter stating the importance of these markers and that they are govt property......and see if Ebay will ban these kind of items of being offered for sale. I sure would hate to have to start a future email off with: Hey Deb Brown, when you have time, can you check out Ebay listing so and so, and mark it as destroyed.

Berntsen also is selling a replica of the COP marker if anyone is interested. http://www.berntsen.com/Go-Shopping/Surveying/Collectibles/Commemorative-Paperweights/ctl/ViewProduct/mid/613/itemID/1543

It appears that the seller isn't going to voluntarily pull it, and Ebay isn't going to force the issue on him. He has over 7000 sales with them, which is a good chunk of change for Ebay. Don't want to bite the hand that feeds you.....even if it does have some dirt under the fingernails. EDIT: Wow, it sold for a good amount. I guess someone believed the story. It's like P.T. Barnum always said......... Hmmmm, maybe I should buy some blank disks from Berntsen, to sell on Ebay. My creative writing story will be that these were the disks that Flight 19 was following the arrows on in 1945, when they disappeared near the Bermuda triangle. After an investigation, it was discovered that a dyslexic subcontractor had mounted a disk with the arrow pointing in the wrong direction, which resulted in the flight being lost. All the disks were removed after this and they were redacted (which is why they are blank), as part of a government coverup.