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I too have been AWOL as life just got in the way but was going to try and ease back into this enjoyable pasttime. I am learning what has transpired in my absence and hate to see all my logs gone. It does sour me a bit. Glad to see some of the familiar names I have associated with in past forum threads are still active here somewhat. made

Thanks Artman, for the heads up. I am still using several older versions of DSWorld, but am about to upgrade to the latest. I'll see the next time I edit/label photos if I encounter the same thing and let you know....as the photo labeling is one of my favorite things about the software. On a side note, any time I have contacted Malcolm about using DSWorld, he has always been responsive.

These are great. Here in a few weeks, I hope to be able to post some of the Liberty Memorial in Kansas City.

Mike, not to hijack this thread, but what are you using to take those great clear pics with?

I'm jealous already, as I have been wanting to go to Devil's Tower. I don't have a lot I can contribute to as far as intersection stations go, but I did log this one as I really like old buildings and such with the finial being the station. 01/01/1941 by CGS (FIRST OBSERVED) DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1941 (KBJ) STATION IS THE FINIAL ON THE CLAIBORNE PARISH COURTHOUSE DOME. THE BUILDING WAS ERECTED IN 1858, IS ABOUT 80 FEET HIGH, AND IS LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THE TOWN. https://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=CQ2976 Being a history buff, I thought the dates were almost prophetic. The courthouse was built the year before the War of Northern Aggression started and the station was observed close to basically a year (Jan 1 -Dec 7) before we entered WW II.

I am planning a trip to the World War I National Museum and Liberty Memorial Monument in Kansas City this summer with # 1 son. I was checking nearby benchmarks to see if anything was close, and lo and behold, the Liberty Monument is an intersection station. I don't usually log these, but just may have to with this one, on gc.com. Anyhow, as I reading the station description, it almost seemed like the author (who could have been a WW1 veteran himself) was as impressed with the memorial as I am. What does everyone think, as I don't recall ever reading one with this kind of detail and history in the description? I would want to see this, just from the NGS description. https://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=KE1459 01/01/1934 by CGS (FIRST OBSERVED) DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1934 (CAS) THIS IS AN INTERSECTION STATION. THIS STATION IS THE LIBERTY MEMORIAL IN THE NORTHERN END OF PENN VALLEY PARK, JUST ACROSS THE PLAZA, DIRECTLY S OF THE UNION STATION, IN KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI. IT IS ON A HIGH POINT OF GROUND OVERLOOKING THE CITY. THE MONUMENT SETS ON A DIAS OF COBBLE STONES BETWEEN TWO CONCRETE BUILDINGS, KNOWN AS THE MUSEUM AND THE MEMORY HALL. IT WAS DEDICATED IN 1921 AND IS ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT OBJECTS IN THE CITY. THE SHAFT OF THE MONUMENT IS MADE OF CONCRETE BLOCK. IT RESEMBLES IN SHAPE A HUGE CYLINDER FROM WHICH DEEP SEMI-CIRCULAR SECTIONS HAVE BEEN CUT ON FOUR SIDES, ITS ENTIRE HEIGHT. IN THE DEPRESSIONS AROUND CONCRETE PILLARS RISE, NEARLY TO THE TOP OF THE SHAFT. AT THE TOP OF EACH PILLAR THERE IS A MARBLE BUST. THE TOP OF THE MONUMENT IS A HUGE CRUCIBLE, FROM WHICH RED FIRE SEEMS TO BURN AT NIGHT. THE SHAFT IS HOLLOW AND THE TOP CAN BE REACHED BY ELEVATOR FROM A DOOR AT THE N SIDE OF THE BASE. THE ENTIRE HEIGHT OF THE SHAFT IS 217 FEET AND IT EXTENDS ABOUT 440 FEET ABOVE THE LEVEL OF THE MISSOURI RIVER.

Bill, those are some interesting stories. I remember reading one down here in Louisiana that was using the St. Louis Arch in Missouri as a reference point. They had transposed some coordinate numbers, but it was corrected in short order once the NGS was notified. I actually sent an email to the only person I still know at NOAA since David Doyle retired, who is Malcolm Archer-Shee (the designer of DSWorld). He forwarded it to the appropriate people who have the ability to correct these, if they still have the original information. Further research revealed there are actually four sets, with repeating descriptions on every fourth number.

and then there were these: CQ2433 STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2433 CQ2433'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2433'2.5 MI NE FROM DUBBERLY. CQ2433'1.8 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2433'ERLY, 43 FEET EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 19 FEET SOUTH- CQ2433'EAST OF A GUY WIRE, 17 FEET SUOUTHWEST OF A FENCE CORNER, 15 FEET WEST CQ2433'OF A GUY WIRE, 10 FT NORTH OF THE EXTENDED CENTER LINE OF A DIRT ROAD CQ2433'LEADING WEST, AND 10 FEET EAST OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A CQ2433'TRANSFORMER AND TWO GUY WIRES. CQ2433'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 4 FT ENCASED CQ2433'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCH. CQ2433'1 FOOT BELOW HIGHWAY CQ2433'1 FOOT SOUTH OF A WITNESS POST. CQ2429 STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2429 CQ2429'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2429'4.0 MI NE FROM FRYEBURG. CQ2429'1.8 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2429'ERLY, 43 FEET EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 19 FEET SOUTH- CQ2429'EAST OF A GUY WIRE, 17 FEET SUOUTHWEST OF A FENCE CORNER, 15 FEET WEST CQ2429'OF A GUY WIRE, 10 FT NORTH OF THE EXTENDED CENTER LINE OF A DIRT ROAD CQ2429'LEADING WEST, AND 10 FEET EAST OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A CQ2429'TRANSFORMER AND TWO GUY WIRES. CQ2429'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 4 FT ENCASED CQ2429'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCH. CQ2429'1 FOOT BELOW HIGHWAY CQ2429'1 FOOT SOUTH OF A WITNESS POST. CQ2425 STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2425 CQ2425'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2425'9.2 MI SE FROM DUBBERLY. CQ2425'4.3 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2425'ERLY, 43 FEET EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 19 FEET SOUTH- CQ2425'EAST OF A GUY WIRE, 17 FEET SUOUTHWEST OF A FENCE CORNER, 15 FEET WEST CQ2425'OF A GUY WIRE, 10 FT NORTH OF THE EXTENDED CENTER LINE OF A DIRT ROAD CQ2425'LEADING WEST, AND 10 FEET EAST OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A CQ2425'TRANSFORMER AND TWO GUY WIRES. CQ2425'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 4 FT ENCASED CQ2425'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCH. CQ2425'1 FOOT BELOW HIGHWAY CQ2425'1 FOOT SOUTH OF A WITNESS POST. CQ2421 STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2421 CQ2421'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2421'8.4 MI SE FROM DUBBERLY. CQ2421'4.3 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2421'ERLY, 43 FEET EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 19 FEET SOUTH- CQ2421'EAST OF A GUY WIRE, 17 FEET SUOUTHWEST OF A FENCE CORNER, 15 FEET WEST CQ2421'OF A GUY WIRE, 10 FT NORTH OF THE EXTENDED CENTER LINE OF A DIRT ROAD CQ2421'LEADING WEST, AND 10 FEET EAST OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A CQ2421'TRANSFORMER AND TWO GUY WIRES. CQ2421'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 4 FT ENCASED CQ2421'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCH. CQ2421'1 FOOT BELOW HIGHWAY CQ2421'1 FOOT SOUTH OF A WITNESS POST. I know it's just database entry errors, but I have never encountered this, and with ones so close in a line. You can see the numerical pattern, that every fourth one is the same. None of these marks were successfully recovered. It definitely had us scratching our heads after the second one the same, but we finally gave up after so many. LOL Have my friends here seen this many like this before? Bobby

I decided that I had to go scratch my benchmarking itch today, and took a few friends on some that appeared to have no recoveries since monumentation in 1977. Once we arrived on a certain level line, the descriptions gave me deja vu. STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2426 CQ2426'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2426'10.0 MI SE FROM DUBBERLY. CQ2426'4.3 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2426'ERLY, 109 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF THE JUNCTION WITH PARISH RD CQ2426'171, 80 FT EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 101 FEET SOUTHEAST CQ2426'OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A GUY WIRE, 64 FT SOUTH OF THE CQ2426'CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, SOUTH OF AND ACROSS THE ROAD FR THE CENTRAL CQ2426'JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, DRIVEN TO GRADUAL REFUSAL AT 50 FEET. CQ2426'THE BENCH MARK IS ALSO 2.5 MILES NORTHEAST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 CQ2426'FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT HEFLIN. CQ2426'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 50 FT ENCASED CQ2426'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCHES. CQ2426'2 FEET ABOVE ROAD CQ2426'1 FOOT WEST OF A WITNESS POST. CQ2430 STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2430 CQ2430'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2430'3.3 MI NE FROM FRYEBURG. CQ2430'1.8 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2430'ERLY, 109 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF THE JUNCTION WITH PARISH RD CQ2430'171, 80 FT EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 101 FEET SOUTHEAST CQ2430'OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A GUY WIRE, 64 FT SOUTH OF THE CQ2430'CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, SOUTH OF AND ACROSS THE ROAD FR THE CENTRAL CQ2430'JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, DRIVEN TO GRADUAL REFUSAL AT 50 FEET. CQ2430'THE BENCH MARK IS ALSO 2.5 MILES NORTHEAST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 CQ2430'FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT HEFLIN. CQ2430'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 50 FT ENCASED CQ2430'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCHES. CQ2430'2 FEET ABOVE ROAD CQ2430'1 FOOT WEST OF A WITNESS POST. CQ2434'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2434'2.0 MI N FROM DUBBERLY. CQ2434'1.8 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2434'ERLY, 109 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF THE JUNCTION WITH PARISH RD CQ2434'171, 80 FT EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 101 FEET SOUTHEAST CQ2434'OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A GUY WIRE, 64 FT SOUTH OF THE CQ2434'CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, SOUTH OF AND ACROSS THE ROAD FR THE CENTRAL CQ2434'JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, DRIVEN TO GRADUAL REFUSAL AT 50 FEET. CQ2434'THE BENCH MARK IS ALSO 2.5 MILES NORTHEAST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 CQ2434'FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT HEFLIN. CQ2434'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 50 FT ENCASED CQ2434'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCHES. CQ2434'2 FEET ABOVE ROAD CQ2434'1 FOOT WEST OF A WITNESS POST. CQ2422 STATION DESCRIPTION CQ2422 CQ2422'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1977 CQ2422'9.4 MI SE FROM DUBBERLY. CQ2422'4.3 MILES SOUTH ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT DUBB- CQ2422'ERLY, 109 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF THE JUNCTION WITH PARISH RD CQ2422'171, 80 FT EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, 101 FEET SOUTHEAST CQ2422'OF A JUNCTION POWERLINE POLE WITH A GUY WIRE, 64 FT SOUTH OF THE CQ2422'CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, SOUTH OF AND ACROSS THE ROAD FR THE CENTRAL CQ2422'JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, DRIVEN TO GRADUAL REFUSAL AT 50 FEET. CQ2422'THE BENCH MARK IS ALSO 2.5 MILES NORTHEAST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 531 CQ2422'FROM THE POSTOFFICE AT HEFLIN. CQ2422'A DISK ON TOP OF A COPPER-COATED STEEL ROD TO A DEPTH OF 50 FT ENCASED CQ2422'IN A PIPE PROJECTING +1 INCHES. CQ2422'2 FEET ABOVE ROAD CQ2422'1 FOOT WEST OF A WITNESS POST.

Yes TillaMurphs, I am fortunate, but some of my fellow denizens and neighbors aren't. This pic is just a mile north of my business, off of the same road. The white you are seeing is the top of a minivan. This was Interstate 20 Wednesday, west of us. Funny thing is, I was just on that same stretch of road less than 24 hours previously when the rain was just starting. We have lost several bridges due to this. I'll check later to see if any of them had benchmarks that may be lost due to repair/replacement.

I don't know if my friends here have been seeing the flooding we are getting in Louisiana since Tuesday evening. In my town, we got aver 23 inches in a few days times. It has flooded many homes and washed out more than a few bridges. Anyhow, what is odd, is we got so much water, so fast, that it made our river flow backwards. Here is a newspaper article on it, with quotes from the Corp of Engineers. http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/news/2016/03/11/ouachita-river-flows-backward-sterlington/81659592/

I can't say I have ever seen anything remotely close to that, Bill. Thanks for sharing, as tri-stations are my favorites. It just seems more fulfilling to me when you can find an entire set (with azimuth) of marks.

The scaled marks around here usually have +/- 6 seconds on the datasheets, which is over 600 feet. I assumed all scaled datasheets had this disclaimer. I have found scaled marks a lot more than 6 seconds off. CQ0059.The horizontal coordinates were scaled from a topographic map and have CQ0059.an estimated accuracy of +/- 6 seconds.

Received it and sent you the three files. Hope you got them and you were able to use them.... Have fun in Arizona. John and Shirley~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Glad 2oldfarts (the rockhounders) got you all fixed up. The benchmark forums have some of the best people. On an aside, if you need an "entire" state of datasheets (and not just individual counties), you can get the state in one swoop. Go here: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl then archived datasheets --- monthly archives--- zip file of state you want The directory will show you the last time the state file was updated (I think all states have been updated to 2015), so you'll know how current the information in the zip file is. Don't let the word "archived" fool you. It is just a backup storage of all the active benchmarks at a given time...and not ones that have been put away or something. Once you download the file and unzip it, you'll have the entire state of your choosing....to use the data how you choose. Many people will need to convert the NGS datasheets to a gpx format before being able to import into programs like GSAK or similar, including GPS units. That's where NGS-GPX comes into play. http://ngs.tsqmadness.com/ngsgpx/index.html

As I was driving thru my hometown today, I caught myself relooking at benchmarks I have found previously. I seem to do this a lot on many places I know exactly where the mark is at, when I drive by them. It's like I'm vigilantly watching over them for some reason. Does any other of my fellow benchmarkers do the same, or am I just the freak who needs professional counseling?

Howdy Dwayne23, sorry so long in responding but I have been absent from the boards for awhile. Here is how I do it. First off, you are going to need to get each state's benchmarks from the NGS. Their benchmarks each have an individual datasheet, which is going to be a .dat file. Your GPS won't read files like that, and must be converted to a .gpx file. Ok, to get each state's file from the NGS: Go to this link: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl and click on archived datasheets---then monthly archives. Now choose the states zip file you want and download it, and then unzip it. OK, now you need to download a NGS to GPX converter, which you can get here: http://ngs.tsqmadness.com/ngsgpx/index.html After installing this piece of software, you will take each the states NGS file you want to convert and convert it to a GPX file. Once converted (and it will take a while depending on how many datasheets per state), then you just load this gpx file into your Delorme. You will then have all the information for each benchmark. I have a PN-60 but don't know if I have ever actually downloaded benchmark gpx files to it, to know if it will handle that large a gpx file. I usually use my Garmin Nuvi, which you can convert the gpx file to an actual poi file and load all the datasheets into it . What I like about the NUVI and loading to it (beside all the information of the datasheet)is you can set proximity alerts and when driving down the road get an alert/ding when you get within so many feet of a benchmark.

Howdy Kayakbird. Great to see you're back too. I haven't updated to probably the latest version of DSWorld, but the way in 2.10 is to go to stations-published-by state and county-then select the state/county and mark type/stability you wish to see on google earth. Click the NOAA icon at the bottom. The county will load under "temporary places" on the left hand list of google earth. You can click the + sign beside the county name and then select/deselect vertical or horizontal marks to only show one type or the other if you wish. I guess, before I stick my foot in my mouth too much, I should download the latest DSWorld version to see if things have changed. EDIT: Ok I downloaded the recent version to check. It's kind of similar to the above. You go to plot-marks-published- by state and county- then select state/county and mark/stability as well as destroyed and rec marks, then click OK.

I need to add that I sometimes think we all make silly mistakes. I won't mention any names, but there is a chiseled X mark in my area that has a NGS recovery report from a geocacher as follows: STATION DESCRIPTION 'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 10 1/2 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE SOUTHEAST RAIL, A 'CHISELED CROSS ON THE TOP OF THE SOUTH CORNER OF THE EAST CONCRETE 'ABUTMENT FOR THE STATION RECOVERY (2003) 'RECOVERY NOTE BY US POWER SQUADRON 2003 'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION. STATION RECOVERY (2011) 'RECOVERY NOTE BY GEOCACHING 2011 'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION. STATION RECOVERY (2012) 'RECOVERY NOTE BY GEOCACHING 2012 'DISK HAS BEEN REMOVED, BUTWHERE THE STEM WAS REMAINS Since it has a 2011 accurate recovery report, I submitted HH2 Coordinates and photos utilizing DSWorld, but no recovery report. The 2012 report was submitted by a geocacher, who I believe must have just made an error in which mark he was reporting.....since a chiseled cross has no disk. I removed the PID and initials, cause I'm not trying to embarrass anyone, but just show that honest mistakes do happen.

I read they were having more of a problem with Power Squadron reporting than anything else. We shouldn't be surprised there, as we tend to also think the same and have discussed it more than a few times here in the benchmark forums. Is anyone here using DSWorld to either submit photographs, hand held coordinates, recovery reports, etc? I have found that an extremely useful tool, and the pics are often updated to the datasheet within just a few days by Malcolm. Here is one where Malcolm has the pics already updated to the datasheet, yet my recovery report is still in the queue. http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=CQ2955 The recovery reports take a few weeks as they go thru a different section of NGS, but the datasheet is updated with all the corrections that you note on the recovery report submittal .......examples of which are the stamping; HH2 coordinates if applicable; whether the mark is now projecting, recessed, or flush; and more. Even if you don't submit recovery reports, you can still use DSWorld to submit photos, HH2 coordinates, disk stamping, and more. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=296816&st=0&p=5086310&hl=dsworld&fromsearch=1entry5086310 I kind of took a break from benchmarking for awhile but am trying to ease back into it. I have noticed something with my recent recovery reports, as the NGS did truncate some of the text, which could have been considered redundant with the other fields of the DSWorld recovery report. An example would be where I stated the mark was now recessed X amount of inches below the surrounding ground level. I also entered that information in the DSWorld part asking about the marks relation to surrounding ground level. The datasheet was updated reflecting that aspect, but the recovery report was truncated to take out the text stating the same. http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=CQ1110 Same thing here where I updated the recovery report setting code to state the reset was in a pipe where the original datasheet stated it was in a concrete setting. The NGS updated the datasheet to reflect this, but truncated where I also stated it, from the text report. http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=CQ1108 This is another reason I like DSWorld so much, is all the recovery report fields you can verify or update to reflect the marks scaled coordinates, setting codes, stampings, relation to surrounding ground surface, etc. The reason I state all of this is maybe the NGS is aware of some of this "silly log" stuff and is being more selective on what is on the datasheets....but this is just a supposition on my part with no factual basis.

Many thanks. Tell Jeremy to double your pay.

I can't seem to find the benchmarking (my favorite) forum, after todays forum redesign. Have I just missing seeing it, or has gc.com discontinued benchmarking?

One of my good friends and fellow benchmarkers, sent me this pic today from the Grand Canyon of GQ0195. This is his version of a "Wish You Were Here" postcard. Since I don't get good stuff like this, I figured the next best thing I could do was to share it with my other benchmarking friends. http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=gq0195

I talked to my friend about his recovery report for tri-station SICARD today. He said he didn't report anything beside the main station, and he even remembers checking on it about six months later, and reading his recovery report where everything was fine. It makes me wonder if the word 'destroyed' was parsed later on down the road by NGS computers/programmers and erroneously flagged for a destroyed station (which it isn't).

Travis, can I ask what it is exactly that you are calling "benchmarks"? I don't think we are talking about the same things. http://www.geocaching.com/mark/#Whatis

Houston, we have a problem. I was in the geocaching group that recovered Sicard. I was teaching some friends how to recover tri-stations with this one. I encouraged my friend who lives near it to submit his first NGS recovery report on it, instead of me doing it. RM 1 was indeed destroyed, as we found a piece of the disk separated from it's setting. My friend stated such in his recovery report. I was wondering if he might have submitted a destroyed report for the reference mark 1 (if it had a separate PID), and it mistakingly got flagged for the tri-station instead. I'll call him and see.................but SICARD is there, and I'll guarantee it. Maybe our ninja Dave Doyle will read this and can help. Thanks for finding this tosborn, or I might have never known. Two big thumbs up of approval.