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  1. Unless you are a non-profit society I would think they are owned by the one who bought them. or in the case of a well painted container where the paint job may be of more value(monetary or otherwise) the one who payed for/did the paint/camo job. Now if you happen to be a non-profit society then I'd think it would be owned by the society/group. Would this have anything to do with your other question today?

    The answer is yes and yes.

    I should have waited before posting the second question, but this issue has been eating at me and just keeps going.


    It seems to me that the question isn't who owns them. The question is, "Why's he being such a jerk?" (snip) So my advice is to figure out why nothing remotely amicable is going on here...unless you know already and aren't telling us.


    Are you bating the OP into airing dirty laundry in a public forum? B)

    Figured I would cover everyone in one quote.

    I can't tell you what set this person(s) off originally, but I can tell you that this is the last incident of many things done over the summer.


    As for airing dirty laundry... I am trying (really hard btw) to be the better person and keep these mess and their actions out of sight in our local area (and somewhat failing apparently).


    As much as I would really, really like to share more info...

    If you poke enough, you'll find the info and probably even be able to name the cacher involved.


    NOW, back on topic...

    In my opinion, if a cache is placed as part of an organization and posted/owned on the geocaching.com site, it is owned by that account. I believe that these 8 caches are no different then the large number of caches my wife and I have donnated to different groups (YMCA in Cape Bretton, London Loop team in southern ontario,Northern Ontario Geocachers LOGO, etc) over the years. Yes we paid for them, prepped and even painted some (we're pretty good at cammo painting now), but they still belong to those who hold the listing on geocaching.com.


    Unfortunately, in the other thread I posted earlier, no one could provide a set of "Finds" rules similar to the Hides rules. What was offered is not nearly as refined as the hides guideline and regulations.

  2. I'm already going out to replace them as soon as I can walk staight (hurt my back this week, off topic).

    The question is who technically owns the physical caches?


    This cacher stated in the NM he logged that he took them and in the somewhat nasty email I recieved this evening, it was stated that he owned the physical caches.

  3. If a group of locals create a GeoArt under a group GC account, should the container (physical cache) be owned by the group account?


    We have a local cacher who removed a number of the caches claiming that the group account owns the cordinates, but not physical cache.

  4. Never mind about Cache Chameleon, I looked and you have had at least 3 different reviewers(none of whom where CacheCameleon) Either way try contacting one of them.

    I think you may be confused on my area. We have 5 active reviewers in Ontario (Canada). 6 reviewers if Cachetech is a local, although he hasn't been reviewing any caches in the area from what I can see.


    I unfortunately can't really give any details on the forum. I've already received an email from the cacher in questions's counter part (long, worded and not friendly).

    Unfortunately because it's not through any GS servers, the email is meaningless.

  5. I'm wondering if there is a guide for finds similar to the one for hides.


    Like this?


    III. LOGGING Guidelines: Logging Guidelines cover the requirements that must be fulfilled in order to log a find.







    I guess that is about as good as I'll get.


    It's hard to explain exactly what I'm looking for without getting into too much details. I'm dealing with some local issues.

  6. I'm not a fan because of the obvious risk of a cacher opening something that isn't a fake.


    Also be mindful of the location.


    Even some veterian cachers in my area have shied away from my convent cache as it's a few feet in the front yard of the former convent.


    For those wondering, I placed that cache with approval (from the wife)

  7. OK so I have received great tips on how to put out the cache but the question still remains... How do I display the pictures so the cachers who used the camera can see them???

    The easiest way would be to add a log to the cache page when you retrieve the photos and add the photos with the log.

    Be sure to mention that the photos taken with the camera will be posted online. Also, be sure to label the camera heavily that it should remain in the cache.


    Back to my previous post, here is a picture of the rice container in my cache. Someone added it to the cache log.


  8. I'm wondering if there is a guide for finds similar to the one for hides.

    Like this?

    What type of information are you looking for? Are you talking about locating caches you want to find through the website, locating the physical container, logging the find, or something else?


    Not exactly. Was hoping for something like the Hides guide with the do's and don'ts.


    I sent you a note with exactly what I'm looking for/dealing with.

  9. I had a similar thought when I placed my "Take a photo, Leave a photo" cache.

    Because of our weather conditions here, a camera (digital especially) would have a tough time to survive.


    A couple tips however from this cache I can share...

    - Double lock & lock (one container inside the other, and good name brand). If a finder fails to properly close one container, it's hoped the second one will be. Also creates a seporate air space for water issues.

    - Silicon packs and or rice containers should be in the cache. Take a film canister, fill it with normal rice. Glue shut and puncture small holes with a pin. This should obsorb moisture in the cache and help keep it dry.

    - Be mindful of the placement. Will the cache drowned if there is a heavy rain? Will it likely be sitting covered in snow or ice? Place the cache where it is least exposed to the elements will help it survive longer

  10. I once found 60 caches in 15 hours to celebrate my 60th birthday, lately I did a small power trail and found 60 in 6 1/2 hours. You know which one was the most fun, yes the 60 in 15 hours, the small power trail was BORING.

    I agree. We tried a power trail once, got 3 caches in and got bored. Went for icecream instead.


    When I see anyone with alot of finds (800 or more) in one day. I think of stamping a "*" beside their screen name. <_<

    Good thing I dont have any 800+ days, I wouldn't want a stamped "*" by my name. Whatever that means. :laughing:


    When you put an Asterisk beside someones name, it means they may had cheated. Questionable cheaters get 'em as well. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

    We have a few cachers locally that need an asterisk beside their name. My favorite local cheater generally isn't even with her partner when he makes a find. She tops it off with a smilie face for an online log. (sorry off topic).


    Looks like my goal when trying to make a BIG jump in daily finds will be to find by myself with no team or any other practice that seems to be questionable.

    I am thinkin the same for next summer, but because of the cost of fuel and the fun of spending a day with a few friends, I'll probably car pool with a couple cachers, but we will all sign the logs and place the cache back where it was found.

    I'm also a huge fan of logging as we find them, so odds are, we'll live log on the GC site.

  11. 1568 caches. :D


    I agree, that's it. Close the thread now. :laughing:

    I agree too. Nothing more to talk about. :laughing:


    Yes, I knew myself and 4DD were on the same sheet of music. You will not get an answer, Mike and Jess. Some people "leapfrog" or play "three cache monte" on Powertrails. Some would never do that, and sign every single log, and put every single cache back. This simple question could very well start a thread that goes on for weeks. :ph34r:


    Being that in our area, powertrails are 15-20 caches... Ya, we'll sign/stamp every log, put it back and even log it online.

    The reason I asked the original question is that I think in Ontario Canada, the cache count in a single day is below 200 caches (may be more now).

    We don't have long desert roads like route 66 where caches can be jump, stamp, jump in.

  12. Leapfrogging.

    Not necessarily. They could be playing the Three Cache Monte...

    Or they could try to

    (3 finds in about 160 seconds). But it would be tough to do that for 24 hours.

    If the terrain was that easy here, it wouldn't be hard to hold that pace for a few hours.


    Definitely not what I had ever thought geocaching would become when I started.

  13. Ok, so going through our personal collection of coins to make sure they are activated before going to a discovery event this afternoon. On the one coin my wife bought a year or two ago, it says to go to www.geocoindesign.com which appears to be gone.

    Any thoughts or suggestions?

    It's a Cache At Night glow in the dark coin.

  14. The reason why I ask is that my typical approach for locations that require verified permission is (paraphrased)


    Date: Your cache in park (name) needs permission from them. Talk to them, have them contact me.

    {CD waits patiently}


    Date + 6 weeks later: I haven't heard "boo" from the cache owner or the park, so archived but if you want me to unarchive it let me know.


    It honestly surprises me that I almost never get a note from a cache owner saying something like "Yeah I wrote/called them... here's what they said." Instead the listings just fade away like as if they never happened.


    Still not sure if people really make any sort of effort, apart from the few (let's just call them) well established people. The forums really don't get that kind of activity.


    :cool: CD

    I think the bolded applies to most new cache hides these days, at least from my perspective as a cacher.

  15. Here is the current stove I have (sorry, not a coleman like I thought).




    As previously mentioned, it works, but can be a pain for managing fuel as you can never tell if you have enough fuel for the trip.

    The frame looks like it would take Sterno cans as well. The 'burner' looks like it is just an alcohol 'lamp' like the ones out of a chemistry set, except made of tin. Would a simple refillable 'lamp' work fit in the frame?

    There are those 'beer can stoves' that might fit as well (alcohol burners).


    When we used to go out we just used the 8r stoves at first, fuel (wg) was heavy, but we balanced the menu so that the heavy food and the fuel got used up first. Later items just needed warming up. That helped a lot. The 8r's flat box was stable and with 3 or more you could support a big pot and heat quickly if needed. I had several of them, most were 'donated' by people who didn't understand the pre heating process and got tired or scared of the fireballs they sometimes created when doing it poorly. Not good to light near tents etc. Having wg at hand makes lighting a bonfire a cinch though re other thread. I've even stuffed the whole stove under to warm up kindling (while lit of course) but don't ever leave it in there or else. Problem as I said is that eco fee on fuel.

    Locally a 1 litre can is amost 7 bucks most of which is eco fee. Best is to buy a big can and share it around (same fee regardless). You have to be rich to use wg much these days.


    Doug 7rxc

    The can looks to be crimped shut, so I would have to fab a plug of some sort and punch a hole in the side for filling.

    As for the stove itself, I would imaging I could use a different fuel (alcohol or similar) in the place of the current can. Maybe I'll consider looking at alternative fuel sources instead of replacing the whole thing.

  16. I am a fan of kindling and fuel tablet stoves. I make my own kindling stove using a medium tomato can and 3 nails for the pot holder. I also like the Esbit stove and tablets. I don't like carrying liquid fuel, that's just me. These options have worked great for 2-4 day trips.

    I like the DIY kits, but if I'm going to upgrade my current setup, it'll need to be foldable. Most kindling stoves are ~$60-$80 from what I have seen for pre-made. Might consider making my own as it would cost me less for sheet metal and rivots.

  17. I'm looking for suggestions, opinions, and preferences on light weight backpacking stoves and fuel types. I'm currently using a Bunsen burner type stove which works, but leaves me guessing at how much fuel is left, so I'm always carrying a spare burner. Most cases I'm cool to fair weather camping (30'F + temps).


    From what I see, selecting a few type will be the first thing, then a specific stove. For backpacking, I'm seeing my options as;

    - alcohol

    - solid fuel tabs

    - wicked Bunsen burner

    - kindling


    I kind of like the idea of the kindling stoves as you'll never run out of fuel. The kicker is, the price difference between a kindling stove and any other would more then cover the cost of fuel.

    The wicked Bunsen burner stoves are a pain as you never know if you'll have enough fuel for the weekend if carrying a slightly used canister. The fuel cans also tend to be more $$ then alcohol or solid fuel.

    Altitude will not be an issue, so I can use alcohol with no issue.


    Any recommendations or suggestions on which fuel type to consider, and then what to look for in a stove for that type of fuel?

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