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My point on the cheaters is that with a sport of over 100,000 players, there will be cheats as well as trolls, vandals and other variable of ner-do-well included. What the OP could have done is just log the find online and make the blind assumption that the hider isn't going to match the logbook to the online logs. Since she was honest up front, I would have let her keep the find online, but I'm a generous person. For me, I will likely not sleep well tonight, but thats just because I don't have anyone to snuggle with. On second thought, its a bit warm for snuggling.

Yes, but the hider isn't injured in any way by someone who is too short to reach a cache. If one wanted to cry foul for discrimination, one could. The OP was stating that if she were of average height, she could have reached the cache but she isn't. The OP indicates that the cache wasn't intended to need a ladder for average height people. I doubt the OP was trying to cheat, in any way shape or form. As for the cheaters, again I would say what harm does it cause the hider if one cheats? I am sure that there are less than 5% cheaters out there.

Honestly, I can't believe that people take this so seriously. But, to make your point more pliable for both sides. If you have no physical record of the find then how would anyone know, for sure, that you actually made the find. The logbook is the only recognized proof on a traditional cache. But, seriously, does it really matter so much? Yes, people could cheat and say they found something that they didn't. But doesn't that speak more as to the character of the "cheater" than the owner of the cache?

Just to clarify... I would NEVER vandalize a cache. I would merely empathize with whomever did. That doesn't mean I would approve of the vandalism either, just empathize.

Consider it rethought.

It wasn a AHA moment... I felt it needed emphasis.

It's a SPORT Just look on the front page for this graphic

My first out of state cache was my first find ever. I was on Maui walking along a lava flow and there was a cache hidden in a small cave abot 5 feet above the water line. At first I thought it was something that fell off of a boat but soon learned of the sport of geocaching.

If someone is stupid enough to put a cache up a tree that people can't get to then they deserve whatever they get. What sadistic person would do something like that? That kills the "fun". I probably would never vandalize a cache but I have complete empathy for anyone who would that took time out of their day to find a cache, only to find that some sadistic, ahem, person put it in a tree out of reach.

I see. Some people only hide caches for their own personal satisfaction. Not you, of course.... just some people. Personally, if I rate mine a 1/1, anyone should be able to find, and reach it, if they show up near the choords.

Here's my first one, yet to be hidden.

Thats good but it doesn't account for height of the searcher. Are we supposed to believe that everyone is over a certain height? Perhaps a lawsuit from midgets is on the way. Just kidding folks.

I read somewhere that a level 1 terrain meant that someone in a wheelchair could get it. I suppose there should be a FAQ on setting terrain levels.

Every single cache is up to the owner as to their individual rules. If you can't reach the cache because you are vertically challenged (or anyone in a wheelchair, whatever) and the CO says it doesn't count, then they are just being themselves (add your own interpretation). Their is no "winner" in geocaching other than the one who judges themselves. The final number doesn't count to anyone but the one who owns the number. If you feel you found the cache, count it in your head.

I recently found a cache that was placed with good intentions but passers by had decided to use the area as a toilet. I can see why. Not only was it a good secluded place for a cache but it was a good secluded place for a squat. I just notified the cache owner and what they do from there is their issue. I am certain they are not aware their cache area is now a toilet because of the velue of the container alone. When I go caching, I will grab a list of several. That way if I come across one that is gross, I can just move on to the next. I think people who are utterly offended should get a thicker skin and not reply to the guys who hide the caches in gross conditions other than to inform them that the area is littered with garbage, feces, etc, whatever. Some are true sociopaths and actually get a huge thrill out of the negativity that their garbagecaches produce. As always, on the internet and in real life, don't feed the trolls.

You know they would have to be reading this thread to get the message. Why not go to the page and send them an Email.

The reason the cache will get wet is due to "capillary action". It is the phenomenon of liquids defying the natural tendency to follow the path of least resistance. Water film will creep up the threads faster than if there was a hole in the bottom. The reason it will do this is because the film of water, in essence, is creeping up a ramp (the threads). Add into the capillary action the barometric changes to the container and the container will actually suck the water inside with temperature changes. On top of the, the dew point inside the container will be lowered as the humidity inside the container rises. It is a no win scenario. Each night there will basically be a rain storm inside the container which will, as you already know, saturate everything. The only way to make an easily removable, watertight seal, on PVC (or ABS, as I suspect is actually being used) is with the use of a compression fitting as illustrated in post 2.

I found my first geocache without a GPS or without using any technology at all. Of course I just stumbled upon it while hiking along a lava flow on Maui. I have found a few without using the GPS at all, including one that wasn't even listed on the geocaching website. but the GPS does make it easier.

Geocaching is about using a GPS to find something hidden. The "game" has evolved into many things, including puzzle caches, but the basics remain the same. Any purist will tell you that the cache location is the prize and not solving the puzzle (some of which are absolutely ridiculous). Having a spoiler site isn't illegal, nor immoral. It is up to the seeker to decide if they want to use the spoiler site or not. Personally, at this point, I avoid puzzle caches. My enjoyment of geocaching is about going out and about. Not trying to solve some ridiculous puzzle. I can solve puzzles while sitting on my butt in my living room. No offense intended.

A friend of min was saying the other day that he is getting significant relief from plantar's faciitis with the use of acupuncture.

Yes, but we don't have a Zig Zag lake....or do we?

So what's the best model GPS for picking up chicks?

Trying to help my friend with the purchase of a geocaching GPS. He likes Garmin. I would like to know how much information is displayed on the Colorado 400t and the Vista HCx. I have seen a screen shot of the Colorado unit in geocaching mode and it looks like there is quite a bit of the cache description that is displayed. Can it be scrolled? Does the Vista HCx have that info? I use a lowly Magellan Explorist 500 and all I can see is the location and the hints plus difficulties. He would like to have more information than that. Thanks

Guardrail cache on Maui

The trickiest I have found was a "bug" that had been placed on a tree. Someone had taken a real beetle and removed the wings and glued them to a metal lattice. The log was a small pill tube that was 1/4 in diameter and about 5/8" deep. I had to write VERY tiny. The trickiest hide will be done shortly. It's nothing special except an electrical access panel that is 100% realistic looking. It won't be tricky for a seasoned gacher but the public will walk by it day after day and never suspect. I plan, in the future, to place a frog cache. Not so tricky but fun.