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Black bears, brown bears, wolves, lynx, red foxes, coyotes, and muggles are the only "potenitally dangerous" critters I've seen while caching. None of them posed a threat or stopped me from getting the cache. Wild things tend to keep their distance from humans. And my hunting license allows me to take out most of them if so desired.

When I cache in the rain, I bring along a pocket full of paper towels to ensure the cache is dried out when I'm done. Actually, I nearly always carry some paper towels for that, even in good weather. If you were to compare the volume of "moist" air that can get into a bison tube to that which can get into the ammo can, then the ammo can should have lots more water in it. However, it seems that the ammo cans are usually dry while the bisons and similar are soaking wet inside. Couldn't be the fact that the o-ring seal on bisons and similar break down in the sun and start leaking within a couple weeks of placement, could it?

Provide link to your cache so we can look at it. You must enable HTML to put links in. What that means is that you have to format the rest of the listing using HTML tags to get it to look the way you want. Depending on the desired layout, you may need to use tables. But if you were able to make it look right in plain text, you probably just need to use line breaks and carriage returns in the right spots to duplicate what you had before. Oh, and another option for you would be to leave the description parts as text only and put the link to your geochecker up in the "related web page" field. Just make a note of that in your description.

Easy. Just pulled up the atmospheric air water vapor content charts on the 'net. At 30°C at sea level, air that is 100% saturated contains 30g of water per cubic meter of air (it changes drastically with temperature, so I used the warmest entry on the chart that has the most water per volume of air). Just did the conversions to find out how much would be in a film canister sized container (estimated the 20mL capacity, so that's just ballpark). Science is kool.

I used business card stock to print out a 2 sided signature card that is 100% geocaching related. Then I bought bulk packs of business card heat laminates and laminated the business cards so they can survive a wet environment. I leave one in any cache that's big enough.

For the record, it's not my thingie. Unless things have changed radically since I woke up, most of the air outdoors has no owner. If there is high humidity, it is yours as much as mine. You feel it is entirely acceptable to allow moisture into a cache, even if the cache is not yours. Who am I to argue with that? Gaia knows, I wouldn't want to interfere with your right to open an ammo can in a downpour. Well, since you just want to be a "smarty" and not attempt to converse about the topic you started, I went ahead and did the work for you... In an 86°F air temperature atmosphere at 100% humidity, a micro container that holds 20 mL of air will have up to 30 micrograms of water in it. The droplet that could be formed by 30 micrograms of water would hardly be visible on the logsheet. This is yet another totally bogus issue. Folks should feel free to go caching in the rain.

Offer "taken". Seein's how I deal with DOT all the time at my day job, this won't be difficult at all.

We have 3 accounts at our house. Mine is the premium and the other 2 family members have a basic. When we log a PMO cache together, it only takes my account to get the ID number of the cache, then we can enter logs with their accounts. Most CO's (including myself) don't have a problem with basics logging PMO caches as part of a premium family group.

The "transportation department" doesn't "own" the public lands that the roads are built adjacent to. If it weren't for public road right of ways, I believe that a quarter of the caches in Alaska wouldn't be allowed. It is one of the most popular hides up this way. They are allowed as public land is public land be it park or roadside. Telling the reviewer that the cache is within the public road right of way is all the "permission" that they require. Other states clearly have different rules, or at least different "takes" on the rules. But I have to remember that you guys don't allow caches on bridges and such and for some strange reason a pocket knife or box of waterproof matches as swag gets out-of-staters all riled up.

This isn't an issue here. We already have the site hosts as they are part of the education committee that is setting all this up for our state's geocaching organization. I expect that after a successful run or two, there will be more interest from pockets of cachers further away. What more "incentive" does one need than to help educate fellow cachers and bring in new cachers properly? If that's not incentive enough, then there's nothing we can do to convince someone that they "need" to host a satellite educational event. We'll just find someone else. "If you build it, they will come." Could you expand on this or rephrase? I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. What is a "hosting stat"?? It's not about getting everybody on the "same page". It's about allowing them all to be present at the same educational lecture. Think of it as a distance learning class full of students, not a business meeting amongst board members as many seem to keep referencing. For instance, I could publish a satellite event in my area that is linked to a main event occurring up in the "big city". Cachers will show up at my event, perhaps scheduled up to a half hour before the main event. We meet-n-greet and have some social time. The we link to the main event via video conference and participate in an educational lecture. Following that, we go offline and maybe finish up with a door prize drawing and more social stuff or maybe head out the door to go do some group caching. The satellite location gets the same core educational stuff as the main site, but we have leading and trailing time that is all ours. Responding to a question by another poster... yes, reviewers have been consulted and they recommend the separate event listings for the satellite locations.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Each "household" need only have 1 premium account. You can add on as many basic accounts to "share" that as you want. That is how GS management explained it to me last year when going through the same thing.

So, how many people must show up at a published 'event' cache before they get to qualify as "attended"? Just because there is an IP address involved, doesn't mean there isn't a location. There are 3 or 4 very specific locations. Each location having a group of cachers who are "attending". It seems to comply very well with your "requirements", so I don't understand why you don't think it is worthy of everyone logging it.

All reasons why I tend to think that the satellite events must be formal sites were you need to attend with an event "host" at each site. But I want to let all the potential ideas fly around on this one and see what comes out of it.

Now let me add this idea to it... Your "main" educational event is hosted in the "big city" with event cache "geocaching 101" and features an hour presentation on some basic caching topics geared toward new cachers (topic could be anything, this is just an example). The presenter is a famous cacher who likes to teach, but can't be expected to travel all over the countryside to give presentations separately to smaller groups. But we want to make this presentation available to others. Now, at 2 or 3 separate locations in small towns that are a distance from the "big city" there are simultaneous event listings of the same name and description, etc. The only difference is that they are at a separate event location and have their own GC# listing. These sites are linked by video conference to the main event. A handful of local cachers attend each small event and participate in the educational event along with those back in the big city. The 2-way nature allows them to ask questions, etc. just as if they were there. So you log the event that you were physically at, even though everyone technically attended the same "class". Obviously that would satisfy the physical presence concept, but it creates more work and potential confusion on the part of the cache listings. So which would be better? All log a single event listing at the "main" event, or have several events published that are in fact the same event spread out geographically. In many regards, it sounds like a six of one and half dozen of the other. BTW, I'm just fine with a cacher sitting in front of his computer attending an educational event via video conference and logging it. Give me a reason why that's not acceptable (unless said cacher is sitting there in his underware on a 2-way video conference). We're not talking about some kind of woodstock-wannabe gathering, we're talking about a "how to properly log a cache on geocaching.com" presentation. EDIT- Was typing all this while "debaere" posted his idea that is pretty much the same thing.

I cache in everything from downpouring rain high winds to heavy snow. It doesn't matter. This is why we invented clothes (and Gore-Tex). For your "super saturated" 100% humidity thingie... if you fill your micro cache up with the 10-50 mL of humid air it can hold and then condense out the moisture in that air, just how much water do you suppose is in there? I don't know, but I can't see it being enough moisture to saturate the log. Use Rite-in-the Rain paper. Problem solved.

An idea that is brewing and I'd like to hear comments about it. Say you put together an educational event and have it set up for 2-way video conferencing to remote locations. Then you have a couple satellite locations set up at the other end of the video conference. A class is taught on some geocaching topic with the speakers at the primary event site, but other cachers attending via the remote feeds without having to travel long distances to the primary event location. At the end of it you have a larger audience to participate in an educational event and they would all get to log the event as attended, even if they were at a satellite location perhaps hundreds of miles away. Thoughts?

Every TB that I pick up, I usually hold onto for awhile and get it some mileage through a number of caches. Coins especially. Then I always get nervous when leaving these guys in a cache after spending a couple weeks traveling together because there is always a chance that I will be the last honest person that they get to see. It's very irritating when you drop a coin or TB in a cache then watch it not move for a long time and when you get back around and stop by that cache again, the TB/coin is gone with no record of who picked it up. Frustrating to say the least.

It's all a moot point now anyway. The CO has caved to the heckling and archived the cache.

If you look at the statement prior to that suggestion it is very clear. Because the complaining cacher got to the CO and they felt the need to add that to the listing after the fact. I think the CO should remove that part and delete all the debate logs from the listing. If s/he were smart, they'd just relocate this cache over to the side road (the nearby cemetary was suggested), enter an adjust coordinates log and be done with the sniveling. There is no need to archive.

Yes. You OWN the tracking number. You may do anything you want with it, to include inscribing it on something else or sending out the "copy" tag on something else if the original goes MIA. You can have the number printed on a T-shirt and become a walking TB. You can put letter & number stickers on your car so that your vehicle becomes a mobile TB. Obviously these types of times would be for "discovery" logs only, but the point is that you can do whatever you want. One of my TB numbers is assigned to my dog. So people can "discover" my dog when we meet in the field or show up at an event. I have the TB tag hanging on his dog collar. People get a kick out of it. I just hope I never have that TB go MIA! Just realize that the original tag/item can show up again months to years later. You just never know what will happen. So don't be too quick to re-release a number that hasn't moved in a couple months.

Not really. The sat images and the google photos clearly show a massive amount of ROW on either side of the paved road. You've got what, like 30-40 yards of wide open space in either ditch? I wish our roads had such construction. Plus, there is a dirt trail exiting the highway right before the guardrail starts. There are tire tracks on said path. It's quite clear that you can pull completley off the paved surface of the highway. Then you are not violating any don't park on the highway rule as you're no longer on the highway and you are behind the guard rail such that you can safely access the cache. Time of day will dictate how much traffic there is, so you would just have to avoid "rush" periods. You can also get off on the exit to the SE and find a place to park on the side road that wraps back around behind this cache. Then you can walk the mile or two back to the cache in the bottom of the ROW ditch, plenty far from the highway itself and still on public land. It may be a poor spot and very plain placement with a lame listing description and nothing noteworthy enough to make logging that cache anything but a numbers game, but there is nothing "illegal" about it. If you don't like that spot due to the "safety" factor, please don't come up to Alaska for any caching. Most of our roadside caches really are more dangerous than that one (and yet most of them still have some kind of a view). Time to put that cache on your ignore list and simply go on about your life.

2 things... Folks keep claiming that the "store manager" is the go-to for permission. That's not correct at all. The property, parking lot, sidewalks, buildings, lamp posts, and everything else on these malls are NOT owned by the "store manager". The store just rents the space from the property owner. The property owner very rarely has any direct presence on these commercial properties and even if you had permission there is really no way the stores would know about it. Second, you might just move to a town where the cops are also geocachers. I work in a town where the police chief is one of the more active cachers in town. Most of the police force are also cachers. It's not a problem 'round these parts.

But that "park on the side of the road" description was clearly added after the OP requested it of the CO.

Yeah, I wish those cops would stop parking on the wrong side of highways in moderate traffic conditions!

Just so folks can get the whole picture, a little sleuthing reveals the cache the OP is referring to... GC237WQ One might point out by the satellite map that there are "side roads" nearby. It's just a matter of how far you are willing to walk, isn't it? I don't like the idea of entering into a "discussion" with the CO via "write note" log entries on the cache listing. That kind of stuff ought to be taken up via email.