CrippledBlindSquirrel

Sorry, I don't take the game that seriously..."muggle" is suitably silly for a silly game and it makes me smile. Other games are silly too, with silly terminology that makes non-participants roll their eyes (think about golf!) and I'm happy to say I partake in several of them (although I think I'm still termed a "Rabbit" at golf ). So...Let see....If there is a cache located on a golf course and there is a golfer who is nearby and he uses a mulligan in your presence while you are lounging about waiting on him to hit the ball and move on, then what do you call him? A mulligle? As for the OP's mom I think she should be called a "carrier". She promotes and spreads the "disease" but doesn't suffer from it herself!

Thank You, Thank You! Let's hear it for caches you can put hand into!

Okay Bill, Who let you in on the secret? I have placed a tracking inquiry with the supervisor of the cache officer who is responsible for monitoring your activities. This is obviously a gross breach of security and he will have to be eliminated.... Remember...When Big Brother is off duty...Large Cousin takes his place!

It would appear that, short of a near miss with an atomic bomb, a plastic soft drink bottle is practically indestructable. I for one vow to never throw another one in the trash. Can you guy imagine how many of those empty things are buried in landfills around the world and will be there for 100's or 1000's of years? GOOD GRIEF....I'm calling for a recycle bin today. We might need to start thinking about ways of converting all of our soft drink bottles into caches...Sure they're a little big and it might be hard to get things in and out of them but I think some of you scientist/engineering types could come up with a plan. We'll name the new class of caches after you

This logic bothers me. We may be disabled, gimped up, physically challenged, choose your buzzword, but that doesn't make us stupid! Yes, the 'park' part of P&G might be a realistic consideration, we do have terrain concerns, but the 'grab' part is not a realistic need. We don't need it to be easy to find, just accessible! Few folks short of being blind quadriplegics NEED a skirt-lifter! (And yes, I have cached with blind and quad geocachers who did not need them to be easy). If you want to hide them with the disabled in mind then thank you for making the terrain accessible, but there is no reason to keep the difficulty level easy. Here's a counterpoint. There was quite a bit of time after my accident and subsequent surgery when a skirt lifter was just about the most difficult cache that I was interested in due to my pain/immobility. I became very thankful for these P&Gs. I needed P&Gs if I was going to continue playing the game during that period, and I was very thankful for them. You are right, I shouldn't let my personal experiences be used to judge other's abilities and needs. 42 bone graft surgeries since my original injury in '72 and many years of extreme chronic pain from both a botched leg amputation in '99 and an irreparable (due to chronic bone infection) broken neck in '02 and learning to cache on crutches despite the effort and pain tends to make me define words like 'need' a bit differently I guess. I don't need LPCs but there are many days when I sure prefer them! I just did a LPC this morning where the dang skirts was six inches off the ground - Us poor old folks just can't win can we?

Well there you go...thanks for the help

I would like to post a photo and have seen others do it all the time but I can't seem to figure out how to do it. It asks for the URL but won't accept the "dynamic URL" that points to the Pix's location on my machine. Where am I going wrong?

i loved george carlin. he was one of the great comic geniuses of the world and a thoughtful, thought-provoking man, to boot. if you had gotten farther in his work than some salty language, you might understand. i am not a frisbeetarian. if you really didn't want to spike anyone's BP, you might try not rolling your eyes. not rolling one's eyes is very popular these days in conversations between grownups. maybe you can aspire to it. I do not think that many thoughtful, educated and mature adults would agree that anyone who spent his life spewing forth profane language and insulting whole groups and classes of people was either thought provoking or a genius. Mr. Carlin made his living by feeding the prejudices and hatred of one group or another at the expense of someone else. It worked for him – and evidently for you. That’s fine – have a good time with it. Now, is there better reaction to someone who has obviously drunk the Kool-Aide on a subject than rolling your eyes and shrugging your shoulders? I don’t think so…to do anything else would be like pouring water on a rock…none of it would soak in so why bother. You will, no doubt, read what you want into this, my final post on this subject, and continue to be angry and insulted that some of the rest of the world might not feel the way you do. That sir, is beyond my control. Have a wonderful rest of your life.

Working on my 33 year down here in the sunny south... Sorry can't seem to get the patch picture to fill in here - Columbus Ga. PD I'll check out the website mentioned further up in the posts to see if its still open. We might also look into forming a Yahoo Group or something similar I found out about Geocaching while trying to decide on what car GPS to buy as well.

Me neither.....They look to be about 3 or 4" long...is that about right? Dang...I need to see if I can talk mama out of the credit card for a few minutes!!

Frisbeetarianism? Are those the ones who think that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and can't get down? Yes. A few followers informed me that if I joined, I would be able to eventually meet George Carlin.. It must be pretty warm on the roof where old George - I can't say two words together without cussing - Carlin is hanging out... george carlin was a genius both with language and social commentary. to reduce his entire body of work to a few words is unfair and for you to presume the temperature of that roof wherever he's landed only makes you look very small by comparison. Okay...You liked George Carlin...Can I assume that you are a Frisbeetarian as well? Its 90 degrees in shade here to today...all of the roofs around here are hot...Didn't mean to spike your BP

Frisbeetarianism? Are those the ones who think that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and can't get down? Yes. A few followers informed me that if I joined, I would be able to eventually meet George Carlin.. It must be pretty warm on the roof where old George - I can't say two words together without cussing - Carlin is hanging out...

Excuse my newness but I kind of figured out through reading the logs that TB hotels made themselves that way because of their size and geographic placement...either on purpose or by accident. I am working on my first cache now with the idea of the placement accomplishing my primary goal of bringing the caching community to something I want them to see. It will be, by necessity of placement, be a Multi (or maybe a Puzzle??) with an initial waypoint and then compass directions and clues to reach the cache. I thought at first to make it a small cache - just a nice log book and pen but then I thought that if I used a larger container it could become a nice bug drop because of its location. I guess I was thinking along the lines that if I build it as a bug drop then you guys would naturally start using it for that. That led me to think about putting a lock on the container with the combo being a part of the initial coords for that extra little bit of security on the chance that a muggle visiting the site would accidently find the container. The container can't be removed from the site and looks like it belongs there as a natural part of the enviornment but it could be muggled on the off chance the muggle decided to move things around (or maybe see someone move things around and check it out). Do I need to re-think this idea? I wanted my first cache to be something more than a micro but you fellas have me thinking I might be reaching too far based on my experince.

Other than selecting an avatar which I find mildly disturbing (but not as bad as a small monkey that used to stir the pot in here) I agree 100% with this attitude. I don't give a flying squirrel's nuts about your numbers nor do I care what you think about mine. I'll agree that bogus found logs on a missing cache can cause some angst, but that's about all that can cause serious issue. Right now it's too hot here to even think about much more than P&G's, and there are many days when jumping in the pool ASAP is preferable to stopping for any cache on the way home. edited to add that I really like your sig line Wesbo-how would your weighted score adjust for seasonal challenges in finding caches? I've got one that is a pleasant .5 mile stroll down a wooded creekside path, with a 100' climb at the very end to access the cache. When I hid it in the fall, it was a cool day, the bugs were dead, and the PI had already fallen back. It's a very different experience in the Mid-Summer heat though. I would very much appreciate you leaving a squirrel's anatomy out of this!!

Well there you go again....Injecting an unwanted simple, realistic approach to this matter.

YOU GUYS WATCH WHERE YOU STEP....I think about two dozen angels have been pushed off this pin we have had them dancing on for the last 24 hours... I think I'm going to go out today at lunch, pick off a nice 1/1 pole skirt and then SIGN A FALSE NAME to the log...How many years will I get for that one?

What are the rules in Geocaching? 1. If you take something from the cache, leave something of equal or greater value. 2. Write about your find in the cache logbook. 3. Log your experience at www.geocaching.com. Let me give you the "Georgia" version of these rules: 1. If you take a pin leave a pin, if you take a deck of cards, leave that cute stuffed animal that's been riding around in your pack for six months, if you find a dirty golf ball in the cache throw the %&**# thing as far as you can into the woods....I hate dirty golf balls! Please do something to the cache that will make the persons coming along behind you smile. 2. Sign the log book, slip of paper or initial the freeking small little toilet paper roll that comes in the nano caches. You should use the space that the cache owner asks you to use or gives you to use. 3. Stumble back home and sign on and brag to everyone who will bother to read it how special you are for being able to find the cache. If you really liked the cache then brag on it and write a good long post that makes the owner want to go out and hide three more just like it. Tease the people who are thinking about going for the cache with stupid or silly "hints" that probably won't help them at all. If you didn't think the cache was worth going after and just downright disgusted you then just be polite and post TFTCTNLN. (We think its important to be polite down here in the deep south - most of us carry shotguns!) - JUST KIDDING Now what the guys who wrote the rules as they appear did was say the same thing I just said and not waste a bunch of space to do it. They should add a fourth rule for those of us who can't do it without permission: Rule #4 - Have fun!

A can of flat green camo spray paint and a few minutes in Photoshop for the label and I think they look pretty good. I'll laminate the label and glue it to the cover. You have a copyright problem here....it would be better to buy the stickers from an approved source..other than that I like it

I guess the last word in this discussion will be like the last words in the book of Judges...."In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did whatever he wanted." (Judges 21:25 HCSB) That, I suspect, is both the strength and the weakness of this sport. I do like the idea of different/more logging choices (ala Mule Ears) to cover some of the major "what ifs" discussed here. I don't know how hard that would be to program - or even agree on - at Groundspeak.

I'm raising one...He's made it to 15 and is still alive. I have to admit that I had to fake a house burglary and tell him the Wi had been stolen to get him started

I would be more afraid of someone stripping old Hammerhead of his dogtag and forcing him into a life of servitude in a rusty old toolbox. Also how big is he? 6" long by about 3" across the head? It might be tough to find caches big enough and empty enough to land him in. Most of the double duce trey cans I seen have enough goodies and log material in them to make him a tight fit. Other than that way

I don't get a real thrill from working under the noses of the muggles. I have found that many owners seem to love to hide on property where there are more security muggles per acre than customers or other employees. I have a special folder in which I slip these called "Morning and Noon" caches. Depending on the type of activity in the area of the cache I will run a "dawn patrol" and get the cache while everybody else is at home trying to find the coffee pot and the security muggle is snoozing under his cap with his feet up on the desk. For those where Security doesn't let their guard down I try them at noon when everybody is busy with lunch and there is a lot of activity for old Barney Fife to be distracted by. If you have done your homework and reconned the area then you can strike under their noses. When all else fails I use the set of muggle repelling clothing that the good taxpayers around here gave me. People will break their necks trying not to notice me. I almost consider it cheating! All this being said, I still prefer a nice quiet walk in the woods and like to spend a few minutes plundering the cache.

I bought a set of the $15.00 walking sticks at WalMart for the Legs and Eyes (son) and I to use while caching...We don't need them for hiking...Don't need to do that to get 99% of the caches around here. They are light and collapsible and come in handy for spiderweb swatting, sticker vine moving, snake beating, hole poking, bush probing and making that lovely "metal on metal" noise when you are looking for the ammo can hidden Georgia style. I guess if we were going to walk miles on rough ground then we get something better but right now those old Wally World sticks work just fine.

Reverse the question. At what point do you get the most agreement on what would be a DNF? Where is our common ground? It's "I tried my dangdest to find your cache and failed". I think that everyone agrees that "I tried my dangdest to find your cache and failed" is or at least should be the ultimate result that should generate a DNF but I have seen a great variety of opinions as to when one reaches that point. The range seems to run from when you hit the "go to" button and then don't ultimately find the cache for any reason whatsoever, including never completing the trip to ground zero - to the other extreme where you find ground zero nuked and would still not be required to log a DNF if you held a hope for a spontaneous regeneration of the site. I have outlined what consitiutes my "dangdest" under all but the most unusual circumstances. There are many who don't think I'm right. I think the current answer in the caching community to the question "What's so hard about logging a DNF?" right now is - "Nothing - as long as I satisfy myself that it should be logged." That is an answer that allows everyone to do as they think best. I am up for that as long as 3/4's of the community doesn't want to slap me down for doing it.

Well after more than 100 posts and three pages of reading I think that I can speak for most of us who are new to caching when I say that it appears there is absolutely no concensus about when it is appropriate to post a DNF and when it is not. I also could not get a clear read on the appropriateness of posting a note about any unusual circumstances that prevented the completion of the search. I guess I will continue to hold the rules I've established for myself (posted way up towards the start of this thread) since it would appear that they are at least as valid as those of anyone else. The first thing I noticed about the logs was the preponderance of the TFTCTNLNSL entries. I figured out pretty quickly that those log entries are of little benefit to both the owner and the searchers who follow. I make an effort to write something that speaks to both the owner and those that come behind me. I think that I am like most other new cachers, we will accept instruction and adapt to the conventions of the sport. In the matter of DNF's there doesn't appear to be a convention.