Forest Engineer & Sunny Daze
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I urge cache hiders to avoid posting pictures with the text on their cache details page. I--and I suspect most Geocachers--print the details page for each cache before going out to search for it. Pictures use a lot of expensive ink
. I could select areas to print above and below photos, but that is awkward and results in breaking up the page... Uploading photos is a better way to provide pictures for your cache. One can print photo attachments as desired. 
Is there some way to get this message out?Kaneloa ("Tall Man")
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The rails of an old railroad are often construed as monumenting the centerline of that railroad. Property is often deeded to the railroad right-of-way line. If the R/W is 100 feet wide that line could be 50 feet at right angles or radially from the line midway between the existing rails. These rails undoubtedly would not be in their original position, but they could constitute the best evidence of the railroad centerline position in an otherwise unmonumented centerline.
FE, PLS ret.
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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The rails of an old railroad are often construed as monumenting the centerline of that railroad. Property is often deeded to the railroad right-of-way line. If the R/W is 100 feet wide that line could be 50 feet at right angles or radially from the line midway between the existing rails. These rails undoubtedly would not be in their original position, but they could constitute the best evidence of the railroad centerline position in an otherwise unmonumented centerline.
FE, PLS ret.
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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An engineering/surveying firm received a report from one of their field crews that they had found a monument (brass disk with identification numbers, set in concrete) on a bridge. The position for the monument in the records was miles off from the position determined by the survey crew using survey grade GPS. It turned out that the bridge had been removed from its original position and recycled to a different creek crossing!!! One would think that the county would have notified the state highway department or other agency having juridiction. At any rate, the monument should have been removed and sent to the agency which had set it.
Forest Engineer, PLS, WA & OR (retired)
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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An engineering/surveying firm received a report from one of their field crews that they had found a monument (brass disk with identification numbers, set in concrete) on a bridge. The position for the monument in the records was miles off from the position determined by the survey crew using survey grade GPS. It turned out that the bridge had been removed from its original position and recycled to a different creek crossing!!! One would think that the county would have notified the state highway department or other agency having juridiction. At any rate, the monument should have been removed and sent to the agency which had set it.
Forest Engineer, PLS, WA & OR (retired)
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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Technically all items set to mark a position comprise the monument, even bearing trees and other reference marks. So, a brass disk installed on a concrete base is part of the monument. If a year is given in the description of a benchmark (or other monumented position), that is the year it was set. Monumentation records (on the Internet and elsewhere) usually indicate dates that the monument was verified as being existent or its position redetermined. Monuments are often destroyed by road construction, logging and other activities of man. Generally, people who plan construction which might threaten a monument are required by law to notify the government agency having jurisdiction (federal, state, county or city, or national forest, etc.--one should have this information when planning a project). If the monument is to be obliterated
, it is required that it be referenced by two or three marks "in the clear" so that it can be re-set if feasible to reset in the same position, or a reference monument set if not feasible (such as in a reservoir or under a structure).Forest Engineer (licensed professional land surveyor, retired, Oregon and Washington)
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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Technically all items set to mark a position comprise the monument, even bearing trees and other reference marks. So, a brass disk installed on a concrete base is part of the monument. If a year is given in the description of a benchmark (or other monumented position), that is the year it was set. Monumentation records (on the Internet and elsewhere) usually indicate dates that the monument was verified as being existent or its position redetermined. Monuments are often destroyed by road construction, logging and other activities of man. Generally, people who plan construction which might threaten a monument are required by law to notify the government agency having jurisdiction (federal, state, county or city, or national forest, etc.--one should have this information when planning a project). If the monument is to be obliterated
, it is required that it be referenced by two or three marks "in the clear" so that it can be re-set if feasible to reset in the same position, or a reference monument set if not feasible (such as in a reservoir or under a structure).Forest Engineer (licensed professional land surveyor, retired, Oregon and Washington)
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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I suggest that *Benchmark Hunting* be renamed *Survey Mon Hunting* (mon = monument), or something else which would be more inclusive than *Benchmark Hunting.* Monuments other than benchmarks which could be searched include: triangulation mons (elevation may not be given or may be only to the nearest 10 meters), state boundary mons, international boundary mons, and the Willamette Stone (initial point for the Willamette Meridian and Base Line, 45°31'11"N, 122°44'34"W, from which the U.S. Rectangular Survey of Oregon and Washington commenced).
I'm getting excited [
] about searching for International Boundary Monuments along the boundary between Washington State and Canada! In past years I've done research, mapping and intensive calculations for international boundary monuments along the north line of Whatcom County--south line of British Columbia. I was never in the field to actually find one of these monuments.Forest Engineer[8D]
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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I suggest that *Benchmark Hunting* be renamed *Survey Mon Hunting* (mon = monument), or something else which would be more inclusive than *Benchmark Hunting.* Monuments other than benchmarks which could be searched include: triangulation mons (elevation may not be given or may be only to the nearest 10 meters), state boundary mons, international boundary mons, and the Willamette Stone (initial point for the Willamette Meridian and Base Line, 45°31'11"N, 122°44'34"W, from which the U.S. Rectangular Survey of Oregon and Washington commenced).
I'm getting excited [
] about searching for International Boundary Monuments along the boundary between Washington State and Canada! In past years I've done research, mapping and intensive calculations for international boundary monuments along the north line of Whatcom County--south line of British Columbia. I was never in the field to actually find one of these monuments.Forest Engineer[8D]
Kaneloa[8D]("Tall Man")
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Check out the
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near Lahaina, Maui, Hawaii. I was raised in this area, on Lana'i...
King Kahekili CacheKaneloa ("Tall Man")
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Check out the
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near Lahaina, Maui, Hawaii. I was raised in this area, on Lana'i...
King Kahekili CacheKaneloa ("Tall Man")
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This GPSR is slow, but it works same as when it was new! If you like a big screen, this is your GPSR! It'll be yours for $50 OBO.
Kaneloa ("Tall Man")
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This GPSR is slow, but it works same as when it was new! If you like a big screen, this is your GPSR! It'll be yours for $50 OBO.
Kaneloa ("Tall Man")
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I'm getting into this discussion late in the game, but maybe this information will help some. In addition to hilltops (top of Mt. Baker, elevation 10,777 feet, puff, puff--much effort required!) and airports, one can find elevations marked on USGS topographic maps at many road junctions. If an elevation isn't given for the road junction at your location, you can interpolate between contour lines. Just ensure that you know the contour interval--20 feet is common--and estimate the proportion of the scaled distance (SD) between the junction and the next lowest contour line and the total SD between that contour line and the next highest. For example, the SD between your road junction and the 100-foot contour is 0.7 inch and the SD between the 100-foot contour and the 120-foot contour is 1.0 inch; divide 0.7 by 1.0 to obtain 0.7; multiply 20 feet by 0.7 to obtain 14 feet; and add this result to 100 feet to obtain an elevation of 114 feet for your road junction. This might seem more complicated to many than it really is--just do it a few times to learn how simple it really is. Don't worry about whether or not your calculation is accurate enough to set your barometric altimeter as contained in your Garmin eTrex Vista. During many periods in the outdoors barometric fluctuations cause elevation readings to vary minute by minute anyway--precision within 5 or 10 feet of "true elevation" is quite adequate, and should be fine for your purposes unless you're setting "brass cap" benchmarks. FE
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I'm getting into this discussion late in the game, but maybe this information will help some. In addition to hilltops (top of Mt. Baker, elevation 10,777 feet, puff, puff--much effort required!) and airports, one can find elevations marked on USGS topographic maps at many road junctions. If an elevation isn't given for the road junction at your location, you can interpolate between contour lines. Just ensure that you know the contour interval--20 feet is common--and estimate the proportion of the scaled distance (SD) between the junction and the next lowest contour line and the total SD between that contour line and the next highest. For example, the SD between your road junction and the 100-foot contour is 0.7 inch and the SD between the 100-foot contour and the 120-foot contour is 1.0 inch; divide 0.7 by 1.0 to obtain 0.7; multiply 20 feet by 0.7 to obtain 14 feet; and add this result to 100 feet to obtain an elevation of 114 feet for your road junction. This might seem more complicated to many than it really is--just do it a few times to learn how simple it really is. Don't worry about whether or not your calculation is accurate enough to set your barometric altimeter as contained in your Garmin eTrex Vista. During many periods in the outdoors barometric fluctuations cause elevation readings to vary minute by minute anyway--precision within 5 or 10 feet of "true elevation" is quite adequate, and should be fine for your purposes unless you're setting "brass cap" benchmarks. FE
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The tool can be as simple as paper and pencil or--much easier--an electronic calculator. Divide the minutes-decimals by sixty (60) and append to the degrees. For example, 48°46.435': divide 46.435 by 60 to get 0.77392 or 0.774 to three places, add result to 48° to obtain 48.774°. FE
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The tool can be as simple as paper and pencil or--much easier--an electronic calculator. Divide the minutes-decimals by sixty (60) and append to the degrees. For example, 48°46.435': divide 46.435 by 60 to get 0.77392 or 0.774 to three places, add result to 48° to obtain 48.774°. FE
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A cache in Tahoe Donner, California: Not really wierd per se, but the people leaving golf balls in the cache seemed a bit wierd to us. They had picked them up while walking along side a driving range enroute to the nearby cache, located near a small creek. Many signs clearly warned that all golf balls from their facility were the property of the driving range.
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A cache in Tahoe Donner, California: Not really wierd per se, but the people leaving golf balls in the cache seemed a bit wierd to us. They had picked them up while walking along side a driving range enroute to the nearby cache, located near a small creek. Many signs clearly warned that all golf balls from their facility were the property of the driving range.
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Wife and I walked in to a cache near Hunt Falls just east of Priest Lake in the Idaho panhandle. On the way back to our car we discovered a black bear in the trail. While we were deciding whether to wait until it moved on or to try to walk through the brush to get past it, the bear pulled a mountain ash tree down onto the trail. It then started to leisurely strip off and eat the red berries while we waited and watched a safe (we hoped) distance up the trail. After what seemed a very long time, Mr. (or Miss) Bear finished its meal and slowly ambled off the trail and down the slope. We somewhat fearfully (maybe the bear would circle back) hastened to our car, arriving at it without further excitement.
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Wife and I walked in to a cache near Hunt Falls just east of Priest Lake in the Idaho panhandle. On the way back to our car we discovered a black bear in the trail. While we were deciding whether to wait until it moved on or to try to walk through the brush to get past it, the bear pulled a mountain ash tree down onto the trail. It then started to leisurely strip off and eat the red berries while we waited and watched a safe (we hoped) distance up the trail. After what seemed a very long time, Mr. (or Miss) Bear finished its meal and slowly ambled off the trail and down the slope. We somewhat fearfully (maybe the bear would circle back) hastened to our car, arriving at it without further excitement.
Barrat
] about searching for International Boundary Monuments along the boundary between Washington State and Canada! In past years I've done research, mapping and intensive calculations for international boundary monuments along the north line of Whatcom County--south line of British Columbia. I was never in the field to actually find one of these monuments.
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Thanks/mahalo to all but Cholo (the sarcastic one) for their input on my expression of concern about excessive printer ink usage for pictures in the text of Geocache details sheet. I think that I can figure something out by referring to your helpful suggestions... By the way, I like to look at the pictures as displayed--just don't want to print them. FE/Kaneloa
Kaneloa ("Tall Man")