Hawkbit

Goose

duck

Pheasent

Tuna Fish

club sandwich

honey cured ham

cobb salad Chicken Ceaser Salad or Just plain salad

veggie burger

cream cheese bagel

pot roast shrimp scampi pb&J chicken mcnuggets blackened chicken cheese burger filiet mignon t-bone steak prime rib how's that for a start?

I was looking at the links from Sissy and CR and saw this ... too funny MD Radio Station Pays $19,000 For Booby Brown (WBZ) ATTLEBORO Bobby Brown is out of jail -- apparently thanks to a Maryland-based radio station. The link that had that link was here. Lower right side under More Local News... Sorry this is off topic... but it sprang from here

Post to Postage geocoin Posters Postage

I like that ... very nice

Possible names: Postage Due Coin On Delivery aka COD

All 3 would be correct at any given point.... Game - when you are competing with other people to be the FTF or just racking up the numbers. Sport - when you add in the physical activity involved - especially those 5 mile hikes. Hobby - when you are doing it during your downtime in an otherwise busy life. A rose by any other name.... and all that

As usual, things must conform to the lowest common denominator. Because some people are challenged in the common sense department, we are ALL given rules to deal with them. This site has to CYA... so when things come up, they can show due dilligence. There are a lot of chicken littles out there and a lot play the game and a lot are in charge of the areas we want to play in... so we have placate them so we can continue. It's kinda sad that our caches are basically given the TSA treatment... pretty soon you will be able to use the TSA guidelines as rules for trade items Just be sure to take your shoes off before you approach the cache and have your Geocaching ID ready

I just found one in the "wild" today... they are nice coins. Too bad I have to pass it along to another cache

In the beginning there was the word.... Geocaching, like many other growing hobbies/sports, is changing according to the variables it comes in contact with: Laws (state/local/federal) change - so some places we used to cache we can't anymore. Incidents occur - 9-11 (changed the way people view what we do~more suspicion) More people - the more people you have the more opinions on right/wrong, correct/incorrect you will have Heck, even this site is like a government. You can start off with a basic bill of rights (rules) and constitution (charter), but over time it grows and grows and changes occur. Of course this is actually a dictatorship (not in a bad way) with a helping of democracy thrown in. I bet Jeremy could weigh in on how much has changed for him (like it or not) since the beginning. Geocaching is simple in design and concept and hasn't changed. What has changed is this site and the guidelines that govern it and our use of it. It had to change to keep in accordance the changes in laws and to try and keep the game alive and viable. I wouldn't say that geocaching is deviating from a grand design - the grand design was realized when the 1st cache was found (it had no choice but to grow and change from there). People cannot participate without changing it... people cause change. There are already different churches (websites) and people will drift off to whatever one keeps most inline with their beliefs and ideas. You can stay in your current church and deal with the changes and lobby for your view to be the dominant one, or you can go to a church that matches your beliefs better. That being said... people will find that all things change, no matter how simple you want it to be. The more people you add, the greater the change (in direction and concept).

This is no different than the issue of a cache placed on the property of any place of business. The problem with asking the farmer whether permission has been obtained is two fold. First, there may be a number of people with the authority to give permission. One of these individuals may not realize that permission had been given by someone else. Second, even if you speek to the person who gave permission, he may get sick of having the same conversation (taking him away from his busy life) and end up revoking that permission. But then you could have the same issue as if the cache was placed without permission. If everyone with the right to grant it was not aware... then they would have the same right to run you off or even have you charged with tresspassing. (This is the only part of my post that is directly responding to sbell111 - the rest is my continued thoughts on the matter in general) Let's stretch our imaginations a little and suppose that the pretty neat hiding spot someone chose was on land owned by some very excitable and armed people (and before anyone starts flaming... I have my CWP). Some states have some very relaxed laws about what can get you shot legally (note that I am not refering to this particular cache ... just speaking in general). So back to the original question and the issues it raises. Sure ... follow the chain of command as it were. Cache owner - just to verify Cache reviewer - if you get no response from the hider or if it seems to be dubious Land/Property owner - if you still really need to verify It would probably help to note on the cache page that permission was obtained (in cases were you are looking on obvious private non comercial property (and yeah a farm could by playing with words and definitions be called comercial). As someone who lives in a rural area with areas that would be a nice place to hide a cache... I would rather be bugged 10 times a day with a question about the cache than have to chase off a bunch of people and wondering why all these strangers are running around my property. People understand the idea of private property when it comes to their own backyards, but seem to lose that perspective when it applies to wide open areas.

I bolded the part I am responding to. That's the one thing I wouldn't do. "Hey mister, did you know that some weirdo put a magnet on your private property?" Actions like that are bound to make the cache hider look bad, and likely to give geocaching a bad name, too. It's much beter to fix problems from inside the sport. A note to the hider to express your concern, gently and politely, is a good idea. Some folks are new, some are just thoughtless, most are not deliberately being naughty. If they seem miffed or don't reply, then a note to the reviewer. Most hiders will either tell you they had permission or archive the cache--a few might even go ask the property owner for permission once the realize they need it. Ok... just playing out the logic here. IF the hider had permission, then Joe Farmer won't care and may appreciate the fact that you asked. IF the hider did not have permission and you tell Joe Farmer... He may actually be grateful that you were doing the right thing and taking responsiblity for those who didn't follow the rules. Heck he may suggest a more appropriate place (not likely, but possible). The MYOB attitude is what keeps the National Parks and such places out of our reach for now. Don't ask don't tell will only keep us banned from places that have suffered from that attitude. People don't want to be told no... so they don't ask. As for those that may ask why you are searching in the area... well, gee... permission is assumed since it is required for placing. When you get to one that seems out of bounds (and you wouldn't really know till you get there and see it) that is when you get a question like this asked. At least the OP is asking first and not just yanking the cache. Everyone seems to want to avoid talking to Joe Farmer because we may look bad... well, follow the dang rules and no one will. Avoiding the property owner is juvenile behavior... you only want to avoid them when you know you did something wrong in the 1st place. The rules are simple and if you want to be able to play the game long into the future, follow them.

I have to agree with you IF the caches are placed without permission. Putting a cache on private property without the landowners knowledge is definately not kosher. Putting it in or on equipment that people may not know is expensive and part of a working farm should not be tolerated. If I found something that made me really question if the cache was placed with permission I would take the time to find the landowner and inquire about it (if the hider didn't get permission in the 1st place, an email to the hider would not do a lot of good). Sorry... the game is basically self policed. It really is our jobs to ask questions about things we find questionable. It doesn't mean that we will be right, but if we are wrong then we just appologize and go on our way. Nothing wrong with a "hey are you sure this is OK?"

The joys of urban caching My 2 cents with some change left over: You control how people make you feel - guilty, ashamed, uncomfortable, and on and on. Funny thing is most people myself included let our vivid imaginations run away and have way too many what if scenarios run through our heads when reality usually isn't as dramatic as we imagine. If you just go out and geocache and don't overthink what you are doing you won't look suspicious and you will probably forget about all the people that may be watching you. If you think about it for a minute, you realize that most people don't care and you aren't the center of the universe. How often do you really obsess about what other people are doing? People have this wierd idea that everything they are doing is somehow interesting to EVERYONE around them. In urban caching, especially parks, people do all sorts of wierd things. Most people aren't going to give you a second look. It's human nature to size you up and either dismiss or watch you. If you are a guy in the deep woods of park, a lone female jogger is likely to keep an eye on you till you are at a safe distance (duh!) and us poor guys are liable to forget geocaching during that time since we can't keep our eyes off most women (hey its a natural reaction ). If I am going to be approached by someone I would rather it be a cop. They don't have time for BS and it rarely takes more than a few moments of your time to answer their questions and be on your way. If you do manage to come across the one butthead LEO who wants to hassle you over it, so what... no different than someone deciding to have picnic near the cache you are looking for. Pack it up and move on to the next one. I've worked for LEO agencies for a long time, just tell them what you are doing (politeness goes a LLLLLOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG way) and you will be on your way in less time it takes to wait out a muggle near a cache. Busybodies and nervous Nelly's have been around forever... who cares. You only feed their sense of power by running from them or letting them make you feel bad for doing nothing wrong. It's a crazy world out there and sometimes those nosey people save lives. At worst its an annoyance and gives you something to talk about later with your friends. It's a game and the nosey people are just varying difficulty levels for the cache Somedays it may be a 1 and some days it's a 5 And to the OP if you are still out there. RELAX.... it's just a game. Have some fun and smile. Smiling is the most disarming thing you can do.

I know I have read other stories from people who suffer from the same mentality I do... Following that GPS down whatever trail it may take you Recently I have trusted my GPS more than my common sense. Autorouting is great ( I use a garmin 60cs with city select 6 software) but sometimes (especially recently) I am somewhat amused at the places it will lead me when navigating to the cache using "follow road". I would love to blame it on Urban Caching since some small parks and shopping centers are nestled in among housing areas (nothing like pulling up to a house and wondering "backyard maybe?" ). Usually a quick read of the cache page and logs clues me back in as to where I am actually heading. I have some very interesting drives in Miami FL following my GPS blindly around (it loves alleyways and back areas of malls), but alas it will do the same in the backwoods on county roads as well. I led my brother and niece a merry chase on the back roads of Oklahoma. We left one cache and the GPS said we should turn around and go back the way we came to hit a major highway to get to the next one. My brother had driven further down the road and by the time I caught up with him it had recalculated a new path. I showed my brother and he agreed to follow me. Several miles into a very twisty back woods area it advised me to turn around So we ended up more or less just taking roads that led in the general direction of a known major road. The gps finally found roads it liked and I followed it from that point. It got us close, but it didn't like the main road into the park that the cache was in... so we ended up passing the entrance only to find that the little road that it wanted us to use didn't really exist. We turned around again and went into the park (that I had figured it was in ) and I recalculated to use "off road" from that point. I just get kind of tickled at how easy it is to just assume that the machine knows where it is going I'll add this... my recent style of caching has been to load all the waypoints in my gps and then start finding the closest one to me THEN reading the cache page on my PDA. I know its not the smartest way to do it, but it has interesting results

Ok... I'm confused by this How can he be charged with anything and charged $$ for the response? Well, I guess in this post 9-11 world, you can have anything happen to you.

That's a very interesting product. Thanks for the link, but have you actually tried the suits yourself? Any first hand testimonials? Well... my brother has a set and so do many of my extended family that hunt. They all swear by it. I've been out of the hunting loop for a few years but I'm moving to a location that will change that and I do plan on buying a full set of gear from them. Mosquito's aside, it's worth it to not have to look for ticks after a long day in the woods. Also they say that you DO NOT sweat to death in the clothes...definitely a big plus... When I get a set... I'll post my thoughts on them