Lactodorum

Meaning what?

Dunno yet! We haven't really discussed it in depth yet but we'll make it public when we do.

Careful what you say or I might get a bit testy.

It certainly won't please everyone but we hope it strikes an acceptable balance between adding an additional level of classification and being over detailed and cumbersome. I'd like to offer my thanks to Deceangi for his (sometimes thankless!) efforts in leading this debate. I'd also like to congratulate the "genius" who came up with the lovely Google Earth overlay

An interesting and worthwhile discussion. I don't disagree with most of what has been said This is one of those topics that has no definitive answer. Isn't it lucky we're only discussing a silly game rather than anything important!

No problem. As for the rest of your post, I think it summarises my feelings closely. A classic example of flexibility allowing for the exercising of common sense on the part of the reviewer publishing the cache in question.

Rodz already has one out, and its been found, but at the moment it is showing as mystery cache with a blue question mark. I just tried a dummy run setting up a new listing and it shows the new Wherigo icon, so maybe Rodz just needs to change his listing to show the new icon and for finders to have the new icon in their finds list. Edited to add link Actually this was the first one in The World , not just the UK. I've just checked and it now has the nice new icon too!

Do you know, I've had enough public criticism of my colleague here. I think he has been remarkably restrained in this thread and I've personally had several requests/suggestions to close this thread which up to now I've resisted as I've felt the discussion on the differences between guidelines and rules merited more discussion. I shall keep it open for now to allow the discussion to continue but I'll remove any more personal references.

Dave, that is your opinion and as you have stated it in a polite and measured way I will try and respond in kind. As the UK has 3 reviewers, and as we try and implement the Guidelines to the best of our ability you will inevitably get, on occasion, 3 different interpretations. If you could see the private Reviewers' forum which discusses interpretation issues from around the world, you would see almost as many views as there are reviewers. Despite this inevitable variability the 3 UK reviewers strive to act as a team and regularly (usually several times a day) discuss anything we might consider "iffy" or "pushing the envelope" too far. I think I can probably count on the fingers of one hand how many times we have failed to reach a consensus in the past couple of years on a particularly tricky cache submission. I believe we get the balance right (well I would say that wouldn't I? ) and I think that is borne out by the feedback we get. That's not to say we are complacent, and if something is pointed out then we will examine the details to see if we can improve. The only way to ensure true consistency is to use a clear set of rules and some kind of automatic publishing program. That is not the way Geocaching works and at the end of the day we all have to live with its faults. At least it's only a silly game and not life or death!!

Is the owner of the cache replying to e-mails being sent to him? If not, then the cache isn't being "maintained" and is therefore subject to being archived. If he is still confirming people's finds then why isn't he logging on the site as required? The ruleguideline may appear stupid but is there for a purpose. Even virtual caches need checking from time to time in case the information required is no longer there. Signs, for instance, do get removed occasionally.

That's my feeling as well but no doubt others will disagree. Then we need an acceptable list of Welsh and Scottish counties and we're all set. Oh no, we then need to debate whether to include six (or more!) counties in Northern Ireland. Or not . I somehow feel that after several previous abortive attempts to define where we all live we'll NEVER agree. Perhaps 3 reviewers should thrash it out over a few pints at the Mega event (see I got the plug in!) - that's beer for two and Perrier for one . Or maybe we could keep discussing it ad nauseum

What our Irish friend said Above all we're here to try and help so feel free to get in touch. And remember, if anyone (Mandy!) thinks we can be bribed by a cuppa they've got another think coming - it takes at least a couple of pints of ale

This very question was asked in the reviewer community only a couple of weeks ago. The answer from Groundspeak was that despite the adverts on YouTube this type of thing is permitted. So carry on with your idea.

If we find evidence that a cache has been placed against the wishes of a landowner then we most assuredly act. You are not party to such correspondence. I had an example only last week where I had an exchange of e-mails with a landowner. The issue was resolved amicably. As for the "says it all really" comment, I think that speaks volumes.

Is this why in the two months you have been an "active" member you haven't placed any caches, nor for that matter searched for any? If you feel so uncomfortable with the way Geocaching has established itself over the past 5 years or so then maybe this might not be the sport for you

If c657ljr can send me details of all the caches he/she has found that he/she feels breach the guidelines then I will happily investigate.

You are correct, however the person who posted has been suspended for a week for a breach of forum guidelines. Unfortunately this means that they will not be able to reply to this, or any other, thread.

I suppose I should jump on the bandwagon too. My first computer was an Ohio Superboard. I saved a few quid by buying a "kit" and soldering in all the components myself. I remember the thrill when I switched it on and actually saw text on the attached TV monitor! Sad really I suppose As for the whopping 4K RAM!!!!!

I now live in Herefordshire, next door to (and am surrounded by fields belonging to) a sheep farm. The first lamb was born on Dec 23rd although the farmer admitted this was a mistake as the ram got into a field of ewes before he should have! Most lambs are born starting around the start of January and the season is well under way now. As I type this I can see dozens of lambs gambolling in the orchard just outside my window. Now where did I put that mint sauce?

Dear Mr Lactodorum As several of us have pointed out, there is no issue of vulnerability to anyone using the GC website, or any other website which displays the same properties. Moote Dear Mr Moote Thank you for explaining things to me. Lactodorum

Perhaps this thread should be closed! Normally, problems with the geocaching.com site are already being discussed at length on the "Geocaching.com Web Site forum" by the time you notice them. Possibly, we'll see how it pans out.

Absolutely. I'll now lock this thread to prevent duplication.

As this doesn't just affect UK users can I suggest posting your concerns to Geocaching.com Web Site

While I'm intending staying out of the debate as far as possible for the moment I feel I ought to correct this misunderstanding. I was NOT upset at this "incident". The moderator who locked the thread received further information privately and as a result of that, unlocked the thread again. This was absolutely normal and I can assure you that the moderating team in this forum get on remarkably well. Thank you for your first forum post and may I invite you now to try hunting for the odd geocache or two as well. Once you've found one you might understand the attraction people find in this pastime.

Wipes coffee off keyboard!!