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  1. Do you understand how what abdspgeocacher did could hurt all of us? I think if people don't understand this, then we will keep taking steps backward.... Build from it. Protest is protest. It's feedback. You don't have to like it (either as a cacher or park manager) but it's the real world and you can learn from it. People have a right to protest. Some actually do. Find the silver lining. There is one. While it may seem like a good thing to say "I'm on it, everone else back off" like some cachers do, the reality is that everone impacted has a say and a right to have it. There is usually one person best suited to deal face to face, but even in that case everone else builds interest. Take the NPS. Unless you are well positioned you would be hard pressed to get a high level meeting with the NPS even if you are the chief cook and bottle washer for the state caching organization. However if everone in the state is up in arms over the latest NPS policy and it's got the attention of the NPS big wigs...that meeting may very well happen. Geocachers hiding pirate caches is a bad idea. Sending letters to Ruth from the geocaching kids is a much better idea. Agreed! But enough of this. Lets get back to caching and solving the Tecolote Canyon puzzles.... I want free beer and pizza
  2. I have no idea, but for some reason after I read that crap I've been hearing Jim Morrison's voice.... This is the end My only friend, the end Of our elaborate plans, the end I just keep thinking... "people are strange"
  3. Thought I should post this. It is a copy of the email string between abdspgeocacher and Jorgensen. I think Jorgensen response was very good. The response from adbspgeocaher was way out of line. Mark Jorgensen's response seems to be "My Way or the Highway". Let's respond with hundreds of caches. --------------------------------------------------------- Sun, 6 Jan 2008 06:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: "abdspgeocacher" <abdspgeocacher@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Subject: RE: Geocaching in Anza Borrego Desert State Park To: "Jorgensen, Mark" <mjorgensen@parks.ca.gov> All we asked is Reasonable restrictions..... OK, You asked for it! Let's see you remove all of ours. You don't have the staff or the budget to compete with us. abdspgeocacher ----------------------------------------------------- "Jorgensen, Mark" <mjorgensen@parks.ca.gov> wrote: "Dave Smith": Yes, you did reach the correct person at Anza-Borrego. We'll continue to work with the responsible geocaching organizations to transition to "virtual" or "Earth" caches, which leave no physical materials in our Park and Wilderness Areas. Your so-called protest will continue what has been going on for the last few years, and has brought us to where we all today. Hundreds of unauthorized caches have been poorly placed in sensitive areas of archeological, paleotological, historical, and resource importance. We are working together to allow fun recreational use of the State Park, while assuring the long-term protection of this wonderful desert land for future generations to come. Think about how your action leads to a better future for your sport and for the integrity of Anza-Borrego Desert State Park. There are many geocachers who are working to preserve their sport as well as protect their Parks. Sincerely, Mark Jorgensen Superintendent Anza-Borrego Desert State Park -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abdspgeocacher [mailto:abdspgeocacher@yahoo.com] Sent: Sat 1/5/2008 8:53 PM To: Jorgensen, Mark Cc: Mona Maree Jones Subject: Geocaching in Anza Borrego Desert State Park I'm not sure if you are the right person to send this or not but, if not, I hope you will forward this to the proper person. I read that ABDSP is forbidding physical geocaches within the park and the caches are being removed by Park staff. I also read that geocaching.com is cooperating by not allowing any new caches, within the Park boundries, to be posted on their website . As a protest to the Park policy we have started a "Pirate" Geocache website. We will be placing caches within the Park and posting them on our site. While geocaching.com "controlled" where caches could be placed to comply with previous rules, our caches will not be moderated. Participants will place them where they wish. Over 20 "Pirate" geocaches have been placed within the Park over the past few days. Our plan is to place many more before opening our site to the public. We will have well over 100 before the end of January. We consider this a non-violent, non-destructive protest of an unreasonable, not well thought, policy . Our purpose is to convince ABDSP that it is better to allow "Official" geocaching, monitored by a Moderator, who makes sure caches comply with "reasonable" rules. We are confident that we can place caches much faster than Park staff can remove them. We are not vandals and will continue to protect the environment and try to avoid sensitive sites however since the Park keeps those sites "secret" we can't be sure that caches will not be near them. We will ask our participants to follow guidelines that respect the land. We are hoping that Park Administrators will review the new policy and reach more reasonable terms with representatives from the Geocaching community. If we hear that more reasonable rules will be applied, allowing "controlled" physical caches, we will take down our "Pirate" site and remove our caches. Dave Smith abdspgeocacher Borrego Springs Resident
  4. WTF dies Vietnam have to do with any of this...... This is about Geocaching, a fun activity, or sport if you will. The way you are going about this is entirely wrong, it is the Governments policy not to negotiate with terrorists.
  5. How to Win Friends and Influence People 101 If you have a low level of positional authority (e.g. a geocacher) and want something from someone who has a high level of positional authority (e.g. a park superintendent), DO NOT (I repeat DO NOT) punch them in the nose! Do not continuously poke them with a pointy stick! Do not stomp on their toes! Do not place a flaming bag of s*** on their front porch and ring the doorbell! It's NOT going to convince them to change their minds. Or to put it another way, do not get in a p*ssing match with someone who has more p*ss than you do. Sheesh! You'd think people would have more sense... I agree 100%, well put LLOT! This entire "Pirate" cache thing does nothing to help the situation and will only serve to reduce the Geocacher reputation, it makes us all look bad. I am registering with the site just to try and express my discontent with it.
  6. Yea, i saw the video of it. Pretty cool! They would have made it to saftey in either case, but still cool that Geocaching can save lives
  7. Make beer Did someone Ring I have 60 gallons of homebrew on tap at home right now, only problem is.... I can't drink it fast enough. Any Volunteers?
  8. Better would be to leave the parks as open land. No staff, no maintaince, but still a park. Agree 100%
  9. I prefer bark, or even clumps of dirt, but real men use cholla
  10. If you're going to put a cache NEAR the park boundaries, then I'd use the most accurate map I could get my hands on. Any map produced by the California Department of Parks and Recreation should be accurate enough. I'm still trying to locate a highly detailed topo map that shows an accurate boundary, but at this time, the one I gave the link for is the best I could find. Does it really matter? They are still going to remove it anyways and there ain't jack we can do
  11. No you just had to work at it I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC And 7 years in Feb I found ~30 caches in my first 3 months, and I cached one day on every weekend. Now people find 30 in 3 hours. Congrats on 7 years Vagabond! If you read the old logs, you'll notice that there aren't too many people still around that were caching 7 years ago. Even Tuna has faded away. My first caches where in 2001. Does that make me an old timer, even though it was only about a dozen in that year and didn't log anything until 2003? Sure it makes you an old timer. Why don't those 12 show up? Either you didn't log them or maybe you created a new account in 2003.... Made a new Account in 2003, Me and a buddy went out and did them and he controlled the GPS. We never logged anything back during the first year and I could only log 2 as I pulled them from the account he made during that year. Doncha miss the feel of a half-ream of printout paper in your hand while caching in the olden days? Whatcha mean miss it? I'm still doing itthat way. Ditto That! I am still using the same GPS that I was using way back in the day. Hints? Messages? Maps? Color Screen? Pft, I think not! My GPS lets me know the first 8 letters of the cache and its location, the rest is carried out by lots and lots of print outs.
  12. No you just had to work at it I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC And 7 years in Feb I found ~30 caches in my first 3 months, and I cached one day on every weekend. Now people find 30 in 3 hours. Congrats on 7 years Vagabond! If you read the old logs, you'll notice that there aren't too many people still around that were caching 7 years ago. Even Tuna has faded away. My first caches where in 2001. Does that make me an old timer, even though it was only about a dozen in that year and didn't log anything until 2003? Sure it makes you an old timer. Why don't those 12 show up? Either you didn't log them or maybe you created a new account in 2003.... Made a new Account in 2003, Me and a buddy went out and did them and he controlled the GPS. We never logged anything back during the first year and I could only log 2 as I pulled them from the account he made during that year.
  13. No you just had to work at it I think it was Labor day weekend of 01 my then 7 year old Gson and I did 17 in one day in the OC And 7 years in Feb I found ~30 caches in my first 3 months, and I cached one day on every weekend. Now people find 30 in 3 hours. Congrats on 7 years Vagabond! If you read the old logs, you'll notice that there aren't too many people still around that were caching 7 years ago. Even Tuna has faded away. My first caches where in 2001. Does that make me an old timer, even though it was only about a dozen in that year and didn't log anything until 2003?
  14. Trestle Caches! <--------Clicky Now that ThePolarBear has finished his puzzle insanity, he gets to go out caching again! We will be doing the Trestle caches on the morning of Jan 19th. We will be camping at the Mortero Palms Trail head on Friday night, the 18th. We will be setting out towards the caches around 7am. We plan on doing the Trestle caches and the Jacumba caches along the way there and back. If anyone wants to come and camp that evening with us, or join us in the morning we are more the happy to have you. I have the main caches in this small area bookmarked as some of them are being archived. If you are an owner of one of these caches and would like us to remove them for you, so they don't get trashed by the Geo-Haters, we will be more then happy to cart them out. We plan to camp until Sunday and do some more caches in the area as well. Eric and Hill
  15. After being promised gold and silver and an endless supply of free beer from half a dozen SD cachers I succumbed and let them in on a secret - you need to find 15 digits for Teco #11 - ??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. Good point. I may make that my last sentence when I send an email. I haven't checked the park webpage for official boundaries of the park. Anyone able to provide a good map and/or coords to the park boundaries? Lets focus on those caches with TB and coins Well ThePolarbear and I, and hopfully a few others will be doing the Trestle caches and the Jacumba caches coming up on the 18th-20th of January. I will be contacting those people to find out if they want us to remove them or not. This whole this is very upsetting and tis a sad day for Geocaching.
  17. Finally! You took a two month caching hiatus to get this done......but little did you know I caught you on video after you had completed the final cache!
  18. Eric and Hill 1, Woohoooo!!! Congrats Eric and Hill on your first 1000. now go find another 1000. Give me 6 months!....... Or if my track record holds...........6 years
  19. I personally feel that we should give AB a week or two to respond to our emails before removing all of our Geocaches, as this may have been a shoot from the hip reaction. If we all send very polite and courteous emails we should get a positive reaction were we can come to a happy medium.
  20. What happened? Who digs holes searching for Geocaches?!?!?! Hmmm.... Have you looked at your Avatar lately???? Hey........ That hole was there when I got there......
  21. What happened? Who digs holes searching for Geocaches?!?!?!
  22. I love the look in the Reindeers faces..... Its the "What happened to daddy?" look
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