ParrotRobAndCeCe

If you're interested, I'm in the process of Waymarking all of the locks along the canal. If you want things to look for or log on your visit, make your way over to Waymarking, I've got around 20 of the 73 locks done so far. Lots of pictures there, too.

This is my caching dog, Seabiscuit. She goes with me on the rare occasions I can get out anymore.

The problem is that you want the numbers on these sites to be comparable. Even if everyone was "honest" and only counted physical cache where they signed the logs, virtual caches they actually visited, and events they actually attended but only one time for each event - how could you compare all the difficult hiking caches you say you like to do with the person whose finds include parking lot lampposts. Uh, you can't. Why do you think they hate micros, too? For the exact same reason - because it makes it easier for others to get numbers bigger than theirs. How silly of you, toza. You cache simply because it brings you pleasure and enjoyment? That's ridiculous.

Let me use a baseball analogy. I enjoy watching baseball. I've watched games that Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa played in. It was later revealed that they were likely using steroids. Though steroid use was not against the rules of baseball at the time, Bonds, McGuire and Sosa are now widely considered cheaters and the records they set, suspect. The stigma was enough to keep McGuire out of the Hall of Fame during the recent vote. The fact that I later found out that they were using steroids didn't affect my enjoyment of those games one bit. But I'm still within my rights to call them cheaters and say what they did was wrong and not good for the game. And their actions affected everyone in the game. Thanks to them, you wonder about everyone who was playing at the time. That guy who had a great year, was it legit or was he "juiced"? You can't look at ANY player without wondering in the back of your mind whether or not he was on steroids when he accomplished something. And that is totally unfair to the guys who played clean. You're missing the one HUGE difference that makes this a ridiculous analogy. Baseball is a COMPETITION. There are real, tangible INCENTIVES for doing well in baseball, or at least better than other participants. Did I miss the big announcement? Is there now a prize for being the best geocacher? Is it just a trophy or is there money, too? Am I going to lose out on a multi-year endorsement because of my low numbers?

There, I fixed it for you. You don't speak for everyone, and apparently some people LIKE it the way it is.

As a matter of fact, yes. It COULD be a bison tube, eh? So what's stopping you? Some folks don't use common sense when choosing to hide, say, an ammo can under a bridge. Common sense (or the lack thereof) and the size of a container have little, if anything, to do with each other. Some people seem to hide caches with the INTENT of making them difficult to be found. Me? I think the idea is to HELP people find them, not make it as difficult as possible. I want FOUND logs on my cache - I don't want to sit at my computer and go MUAHAHAHA!!! Looks like I stumped another 14 people this week with my bison-tube-in-a-rockpile. But you can just easily ignore those and go on your merry way. No one is MAKING you look for them. Vote with your feet - don't look for them.

Find counts are a tally, not a score. Since someone else's tally has no effect on you or anyone else, how is it "cheating"? For all you know, this "person" is actually a team, and the caches were place by one member, and found by another. My suggestion? Find something worthwhile to worry about. Try global warming. Or better yet, pocket caches, those are apparently worthy of worrying about.

This is a topic better left for OT, but since you mentioned it here... Well perhaps - BUT, only if you actually IF you actually USE public transit, and IF you discount the tax dollars that you're paying to subsidize it. And the reason YOUR MP$ is so high is because of all of the rest of US who are unwillingly forced to subsidize public transit. If everyone paid ME to drive, regardless of whether they rode with me or not, my MP$ would be pretty high too.

Maybe a better question would be who all completely ignores POSTS about micros.

Wow, I don't think I ever saw $350 in one place in my life until I was about 16 or so.

This site might be more than happy to remove your name if you just send them an email and ask them to cancel your account.

Yeah but if everyone did that, soon no one would be able to afford to trade.

Thanks to IGJoe for freeing the captives. Apparently they like the idea of TB prisons down there, based on the traffic in the local forum. Gee whiz, a 1-for-1 rule is bad enough, but if everyone followed the rules, there would forever be at least 17 bugs in that can...

Most people don't. But there's no rule or guideline against it, despite what others seem to think.

Well said, Bret. Come and find my cache. Log it if you want. Log it twice if you really want. Hell, log it even if you DON'T find it. I've got much more important things to worry about than whether or not your signature in my log book matches your log online. And yes, I read my logbook every time I visit my cache, but only to see what people think of my cache and to see if they have anything interesting to say - not to find out who's "cheating", I don't have time for that. And I sure as HELL don't have time to police OTHERS logs.

I'll get the tar, you get the feathers.

Wow. And I thought *I* had too much time on my hands. I never really paid much attention to that thread, I just kinda figured it was a random discussion about what is versus isn't a find - I didn't realize it was an active witchhunt

I wish. Especially here in DC. You can't go one stop on the metro without being inundated by them.

I have no problem logging the grab and drop myself in place of someone else if the rescuer wishes to remain anonymous. And as for WHERE to move it - I really don't care as long as it isn't trapped by a "take one, leave one" "rule", so I would be greatly appreciative to IGJoe if he manages to spring it for me, no matter where he puts it.

Don't be silly! Geocaching season, of course! I guess I always kind figured caching as a year-round thing.

No, the pity is that the perpetrators of these schemes for personal aggrandizement have such a coterie of syncophants who are just in so much in awe of these BS artists that they forget their own sense of indignation at what should be considered honest. Maybe Criminal is the only one with the orbs to bring it to the the forefront that what they are doing will, in the long run, hurt the whole game more than their individual integrities. Even though TBTB have tried to quash the 'anything goes' movement, certain very prominent cacher(s) put themselves above the 'guidelines' and are continuing to build their personal glory on falsified records. That's the pity, as many new and old cachers look up to this chicanery, and try to emulate that as 'honest' caching. What guidelines would those be? The only guidelines I've ever seen pertain to HIDING / PLACING a cache - you know, the ones that say things like "don't hide under a bridge", "don't hide near train tracks", "always hide the largest container an area can hold", etc. But for my enlightenment, can you please post a link to the LOGGING guidelines? I know I must have missed them somewhere, because I've never actually SEEN the documentation that forbids logging a cache more than once, logging your own cache, and other such felonious acts. Surely such documentation exists! Thanks!

What season is that? Nah, everyone's too busy changing the batteries in their smoke detectors that weekend.

I just reread the guidelines, (again), and I can't seem to find this anywhere. Can you point it out to me? I was always under the impression that cache owners can make any rules they wish for their caches, so long as they abide by the guidelines. Very well then, there's also nothing in the guidelines about BREAKING those rules either, now is there? There's also nothing in the guidelines about just completely taking the entire travel bug prison with me, container and all, but I think we both know that that's wrong, don't we? Why should the "rules" of your cache trump those of my (and everyone else's) TB?

I'm sorry, but I have no pity for your plight. You hunted a 1/1 micro with the name Express Cache. That was clearly showed on the map to be right next to the interstate. Further, this is the complete description: What, exactly, did you expect to find? How DARE you assume people actually read the cache description. And don't get all high and mighty about it, why, that's just trying to force YOUR way of caching on everyone else!

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