Whidbey Walk

Find or not, I think you did the right thing by emailing the cache owner. It’s their cache, let them decide if you should get credit for a find. As for the idea of leaving items somewhere nearby and asking the next cacher to retrieve and place it in the cache, I think that would be a bad idea. It would be hard to argue that’s not littering. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

Find or not, I think you did the right thing by emailing the cache owner. It’s their cache, let them decide if you should get credit for a find. As for the idea of leaving items somewhere nearby and asking the next cacher to retrieve and place it in the cache, I think that would be a bad idea. It would be hard to argue that’s not littering. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

Event Multi-Cache for Special Olympics This was a fundraiser that was done in Washington. We didn’t attend but it looks like it went pretty well. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

I don’t think it’s such a big deal. We have meet fellow cachers at the parking area for a cache. We stopped and chatted for a few minutes. We also have been closing in on a cache and realized there were other cachers searching the area. That time we backed off, wandered another direction for a while until we saw them heading out of the area. That way they were able to find the cache themselves and so were we. After reading the log entries it doesn’t sound at all like stalking or such behavior. I don’t think there is much of an unwritten rule about meeting other cachers. It’s more of a personal choice kind of thing. Of course, there is an unwritten rule that it is considered bad form to reveal items in log entries that the cache placer choose to encrypt as part of the hint. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/ [This message was edited by Whidbey Walk on July 14, 2002 at 01:14 PM.]

I don’t think it’s such a big deal. We have meet fellow cachers at the parking area for a cache. We stopped and chatted for a few minutes. We also have been closing in on a cache and realized there were other cachers searching the area. That time we backed off, wandered another direction for a while until we saw them heading out of the area. That way they were able to find the cache themselves and so were we. After reading the log entries it doesn’t sound at all like stalking or such behavior. I don’t think there is much of an unwritten rule about meeting other cachers. It’s more of a personal choice kind of thing. Of course, there is an unwritten rule that it is considered bad form to reveal items in log entries that the cache placer choose to encrypt as part of the hint. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/ [This message was edited by Whidbey Walk on July 14, 2002 at 01:14 PM.]

I just measured one. The inside dimensions are about 1.75 x 2.75 x 4. Of course the corners are rounded so you lose a bit of room to that. They will just fit 2 Altoids tins if that helps you visualize the size. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

OK. I have spent the past couple of hours searching the internet for information to substantiate some of the claims about restrictions mentioned here with no luck. I understand and believe governmental ability to restrict photography aboard military instillations and inside federal buildings. (Heck, I read a sign stating that every day on the way into work. ) Beyond that and without supporting evidence I have to think a lot of this is urban myth. I did come across a reference that images of buildings built since 1990 are copyrighted, but that that copyright protection only protects them from unauthorized commercial use of those images. So taking a picture of the building can’t be prohibited, but selling that picture as a postcard can. If anyone can point me to some further information, I think it would be fascinating reading. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

OK. I have spent the past couple of hours searching the internet for information to substantiate some of the claims about restrictions mentioned here with no luck. I understand and believe governmental ability to restrict photography aboard military instillations and inside federal buildings. (Heck, I read a sign stating that every day on the way into work. ) Beyond that and without supporting evidence I have to think a lot of this is urban myth. I did come across a reference that images of buildings built since 1990 are copyrighted, but that that copyright protection only protects them from unauthorized commercial use of those images. So taking a picture of the building can’t be prohibited, but selling that picture as a postcard can. If anyone can point me to some further information, I think it would be fascinating reading. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

I’ll second the kudos’. Our latest was also approved quickly even though yesterday was a holiday. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

Check out this thread. http://opentopic.Groundspeak.com/0/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=1750973553&f=3000917383&m=7940947205 http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

The cache is still in the database it’s just archived. You have to be logged in and then click on this link to view the cache page. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=27381 http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

The cache is still in the database it’s just archived. You have to be logged in and then click on this link to view the cache page. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=27381 http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

I have been using a second user account to help me plan for a couple of trips we are taking this summer. I login with this second account then go to the map of the area we will be visiting. As I browse through the caches I place any that sound interesting on the watch list so I can easily locate them again. Then when I have the time, I further refine the caches on the watch list taking into account how much time we will have, proximity to the primary area we will be in, etc. Once I have the list narrowed down I usually move them over to my main watch list. I started doing this after the first weekend I had 20 to 30 caches in the Portland Oregon area on my watch list. I must have gotten about 100 notification emails that weekend. The second user account I use is tied to a junk email account, so I can place 20, 30 or more caches on the watch list and not have my primary email flooded with notifications I don’t need to see. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

Of course, if it were implemented there wouldn’t be data to prove if it worked or not either. There wouldn’t be data that could support whether it had a negative or positive impact on the activity as a whole. None of the issues discussed here will ever be proven by conclusive data. It’s all just opinions. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

OK. I understand that you don’t want to use a member’s only cache. The reason I brought up the issue was to say that requiring a slight monetary cost may deter a plunderer but registration alone has not been a deterrent in the past. As far as lurkers go…registration and login are required to post to the forums, but that doesn’t stop the trolls. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

quote:Thus my closing, if you're going to hide co-ordinates, an Idea I approve of...you need also to give the option of hiding each of the "fields". This already exists in the form of “Members Only” caches. I can believe that a MO cache would have an affect on intentional plunderers because it involves a monetary investment. However, if you go back and read some of the heated threads about the MO caches when they first came out, you will see that there are a lot of people that don’t think that even a MO cache would be safe from a dedicated plunderer. There have been plunderers who have even logged their deed on the web site! Obviously registration was no barrier to them. As for my previous comments about people who don’t use a GPSr, I did indeed misinterpret the original statement made by The Cap’n. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

quote:Originally posted by Dwight J. Dutton:…was asked in turn if anyone had had their cache's swapped out instead of stolen - with a container of child pornography, poisonous material or even a bomb… …if I now go back and tell him that completely anonymous and unidentified people can get the cache coordinates, he will probably get the steriotypical "dollar signs in his eyes" look.... How would a fictitious name and an anonymous email address prevent someone who would do such a thing from doing it? I too have had people ask similar questions when I first describe Geocaching to them. This has been discussed in other threads. Really we’re no safer from any such random act of violence when were out caching than any other time or in any other activity. Would hiding coordinates to non-registered users make us safer? How? quote:Originally posted by Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats:Part of the problem is that many people find the caches without a GPSr. They zoom in on the map, get a very accurate idea of the location, know the area and then decode a hint or two. Why is this a problem? Is a person without a GPSr or someone who chooses not to use their GPSr somehow less trustworthy or eligible to participate in this activity? How would hiding the coordinates have any affect on someone finding the cache with out using a GPSr or accidental finds? Many posts ago in this thread someone said that the current system was broken and needs to be fixed. I won’t restart the argument about whether or not anything is broken, but if it is, any proposed fix should at least have a clear benefit to the community as a whole and not just be smoke and mirrors. By the way, don’t take anything I have written personally. I am simply representing the other side of the issue. There have been too many personal attacks in the forums over the past couple of months. Let’s not go there. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/ [This message was edited by Whidbey Walk on July 01, 2002 at 04:14 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by Dwight J. Dutton:…was asked in turn if anyone had had their cache's swapped out instead of stolen - with a container of child pornography, poisonous material or even a bomb… …if I now go back and tell him that completely anonymous and unidentified people can get the cache coordinates, he will probably get the steriotypical "dollar signs in his eyes" look.... How would a fictitious name and an anonymous email address prevent someone who would do such a thing from doing it? I too have had people ask similar questions when I first describe Geocaching to them. This has been discussed in other threads. Really we’re no safer from any such random act of violence when were out caching than any other time or in any other activity. Would hiding coordinates to non-registered users make us safer? How? quote:Originally posted by Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats:Part of the problem is that many people find the caches without a GPSr. They zoom in on the map, get a very accurate idea of the location, know the area and then decode a hint or two. Why is this a problem? Is a person without a GPSr or someone who chooses not to use their GPSr somehow less trustworthy or eligible to participate in this activity? How would hiding the coordinates have any affect on someone finding the cache with out using a GPSr or accidental finds? Many posts ago in this thread someone said that the current system was broken and needs to be fixed. I won’t restart the argument about whether or not anything is broken, but if it is, any proposed fix should at least have a clear benefit to the community as a whole and not just be smoke and mirrors. By the way, don’t take anything I have written personally. I am simply representing the other side of the issue. There have been too many personal attacks in the forums over the past couple of months. Let’s not go there. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/ [This message was edited by Whidbey Walk on July 01, 2002 at 04:14 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by The Alpha Operator: Will they keep out moisture even if there isn't a gasket? Even without a gasket they work at least as well if not better than any rubbermaid type container. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

Would it still be a find if the seeker found the cache but didn’t visit the 2 other locations? A lot of people hunt with out the cache description and may just go to the cache and sign the logbook without noticing the requirement to visit the other 2 places. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

When I ordered from rangersurplus about half the decon containers I received had a rubber gasket in the lid. I stuffed one with a gasket with paper and submerged it in 2 feet of water for over 24 hours. When I pulled it out the inside was bone dry. Without the gasket your right they aren’t completely watertight. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

I’ve been toying with an idea using the business card cd’s for a month or so now. I have clicked several hundred pictures while out caching and quite a few have come out nicely. I keep thinking that a screensaver or slideshow with some of these pictures including the cache info where they were taken would be a neat signature item. What’s been holding me up is finding a good program to make the screensaver/slideshow. Anyone have any suggestions? http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

I asked the same question a little while ago. Here's the answer. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

We did the same thing a couple of months ago. We found Council Crest and Wild Arboretum. Council Crest was about a 10-minute drive from the Children’s Museum and a short walk to the cache. Arboretum begins just around the corner from the museum but as I remember it ended up being a bit of a walk (ended up carrying our 3 year old). Arboretum would be a good set of coordinates to search from since it is very close to the Museum. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/

quote:Originally posted by Gwho: If the authorities got the info from Jeremy via subpoena, thats one thing, totally legit. If not, it makes ya wonder just how they did ID him. Thats where the privacy comes in. What methods did they use and were they completely legal? Theres been no indication they'[ve contacted Jeremy, and the diea that he put contact info inside the cache isn't likely or even plausable since they blew it up. I'm betting it was thru his personal website. That information isnt hard to obtain at all. _Caching with a 5 year old: takes 2x as long, it's 2x as satisifying _ _The faster you go, the worse your reception is._ Read Hillywilly's post 2 above yours. http://home.earthlink.net/~whidbeywalk/