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I lost my Garmin 60csx . I think I left it on the top of my car trunk after setting it there to sign a log. Within 30 minutes, I retraced my steps and searched everywhere, but it's a busy area. Even if it survived the fall to the concrete, I doubt I'll see it again unless a Good Samaritan reads the address/phone information and returns it. My question is, if I end up having to purchase a new 60csx, will I also have to buy new City Navigator mapping? I have the City Nav 8.0 DVD and may be able to find the old unlock code somewhere, but even if I do, the serial number for the new GPS would obviously be different. For replacement mapping, will I have to add over another $100 worth of insult to my already injured caching capacity?

I do know there's a Meet and Greet Event in Plainfield (on the SW side of Indianapolis) on August 25, but as the saying goes, "If you host it, they will come." I think some of the Indy locals would be interested. Here's a link to Anderson area pizza restaurants if you wish to check out a few venue possibilities.

I wouldn't keep a Magellan or a Garmin if it didn't work, so it makes sense that you would return it. Forutnately, both my Magellan Meridian Platinum and my Garmin 60csx have been easy to use, dependable, and led me to hundreds of finds with similar accuracy. In the end, was it less expensive to buy the 60cx with map software and any accessories? I'm guessing maybe it wasn't, but that it was less frustrating for you at that point.

Your advice = infallible rule Everyone else = worthless (in your words) Now that we've "ensrhrined the new rule", would everyone please hold still... it's time for this new "infallible rule" to be crammed down your throat... DCC Glad to know I'm not the only one who felt insulted, since I was evidently "confused" like Miragee and "wrong" like briansnat and Starbrand. I understand wavector's thinking. I just respectfully disagree and feel it's easier to have a one gc# = 1 find policy. I wish gc.com would define it that way as the default while still allowing for owners to individually add expectations. However, those should cases should be the exception, not the "infallible" rule. Of course, maybe it's just easier for TPTB to keep it as is and let us figure it out for ourselves, to each his/her own.

I think the e-mail is the best way to clarify the need for a log signature, though I might allow the find for a newbie as encouragement. Like most cachers (that I know), I only count it as a find if I sign the log. However, there was one unique, recent exception where the owner told me to log it as a find, so I did: Crag & Tail in Edinburgh, Scotland.

Sorry, JohnnyVegas and Vagabond are correct. It's like the car buyer who doesn't understand what "as is" means on a discounted vehicle where the warranty has been adjusted even if it's unused (as new would indicate something of a recent date). The Magellan site had spelled it out if you took the time to research as any consumer should. I'm a happy owner of a Magellan and a Garmin. edit: spelling typo

Try this link: Caches near GCXRJP I've also found Chris n' Maria's Tube map helpful for London caching.

This is true if you want to participate in the contest. However, I noticed one Red Jeep TB was already placed in a cache when checking the new listings today. To those who don't plan to be in the contest, is there a reason to wait?

Actually, not messing with the stuff was exactly what the previous poster implied by saying DEET was "insoluble" with those ingredients and that dermal absorption would increase. You don't have to be a chemist to understand those terms.

Very true Yep, that's been my experience for multis, whether hiding or seeking. I would never consider those to be puzzles according to the offset/multi guidelines.

It's a puzzle. It may not be a hard puzzle, but it's still a puzzle. This may be true of a specific cache in question, but you're overlooking the offset description listed under the multi heading in the guidelines that gpsfun and I quoted earlier. It specifically states that a marker or plaque may serve as a beginning stage and require the cacher to obtain numbers/information leading to the next stage. An offset is not a puzzle

Again, you are missing my point. I'm not talking about degrees of difficulty. What I am saying is that any cahce that REQUIRES the use of the cache page other than the posted coordinates, should be considered a puzzle. I'm not overlooking your opinion and respect it, but I agree with edscott. The degree of difficulty can make a difference in whether it should be considered a multi or puzzle. IMO, going paperless may be nice, but is not a primary goal for caching. One puzzle cache I've hidden is part of a series that also contains multis. There's a difference. Reading and using the cache page in the field should not become a blanket guideline to list caches as puzzles. edit: typo/clarification

Yes I'm crazy enough to want to read every cache page before I find it. My favorites for seeking and hiding tend to be multis with medium to long hikes involved, but I know I may well be in the minority. I realize it's quicker and just as fun for many to find the park and grabs. Because some cachers filter out puzzle caches (and multis too, though probably to a lesser extent), I like the current multi designation allowing for offset coordinates as long as there isn't too much "solving" involved that would make a cache a better fit for a puzzle/mystery designation. I don't expect tons of finds on my multi-caches, but I want the experiences to be enjoyable and memorable when people search for them, including the reading of the cache page descriptions. However, I realize many traditionals can also be successful in this respect and I enjoy them as well.

Sorry, I don't think I agree at all, if I understand you correctly. Finding a plaque and obtaining numbers to a next stage makes it an offset, a form of a multi, not a puzzle or mystery cache. From the Hide/Seek a Cache guidelines page, under the heading Multi-Caches: "Offset caches are a variation on multi-caches. They are listed as a multi-cache when selecting a cache type. They are not found by simply going to some coordinates and finding a cache there. With the offset cache the published coordinates could be of an existing historical monument, plaque, or even a benchmark that you would like to have your cache hunter visit. At this spot, the hunter looks for numbers or information already appearing on the marker or on some part of the marker or site (geocachers NEVER deface public or private property). The geocacher is then able to manipulate these numbers or information using instructions posted on the cache page to continue the hunt." I would not want this changed to a puzzle/mystery designation because I want people to read the cache page, not just head out after downloading every new cache listing because they want to go paperless. For me, that's part of the caching experience. Of course, I realize others may disagree and respect their opinions as I hope they do mine.

I think they'll continue to arrive for the next few days depending on postal service. Your cache idea sounds fun, but I hope you include a "one Jeep per cacher" limit to allow as many as possible to enjoy it.

Now that the RJTBs are activated, do cachers who received one still wait until July 1 to place them in caches? If they do so beforehand, even without logging the placement online, they could be found. Is that okay or should they wait?

Sounds like bringing a few Jeeps would be a good idea. I can probably collect a few green and white Jeep TBs, but the yellow ones are a bit tougher to find by now. I'll try to bring some geocoins as well. If other possibilities come to mind, let me know. Being one of the two lead chaperones, I doubt I'll have a chance to attend a cache event, but thank you kindly for the suggestion.

Sure it is. It's a great way to meet other geocachers. If they are engaged in the hunt, you can ask if he minds if you join in. Either way I would say hello. Briansnat, since the OP asked nicely, I think it's time you let him in on the secret greeting you came up with a few years ago. It sounds like he may enjoy using it to meet other cachers.

On a previous trip to the UK, I dropped off a White Jeep TB in a cache outside of Edinburgh and found another cache or two during my stay. Although I'll again be helping chaperone a few dozen students, I try to venture out on a few caching expeditions in the early morning hours. For the upcoming trip in July, I wanted to know if a Green Jeep TB would be intriguing to some, a Kentucky state geocoin, or some other geo-trinket unlikely to appear over there. As long as it's small, genuinely geocaching related, and relatively inexpensive, I'm open to suggestions. In London, I'm often limited to micros, though I do know of at least one cache in Regents' Park that does a good job with TBs. I'm not asking for favorite caches to find. I've already got a long list that I'll never complete. I'll be spending some time in London, Stratford, Oxford, Edinburgh, and St. Andrews. Though chaperoning responsibilities take priority, I should be able to fit some caching in and some of the students may join me, though most prefer sleeping.

we'll some day we are going to have to fix that! El Diablo is correct, but the competitions certainly exist on a formal and informal basis if you search for them. You may wish to ask cachers in your area or local group, perhaps wnag.net for Wyoming. An Internet search for geocaching competitions or contests may also lead you to some.

Hey Tumnus, of Narnia origins, I presume. Others have already provided some good ideas. I'll try to add a few: Many enjoy theme caches. For example, a Narnia cache might have some of the character toys/trinkets, one or two of the books, and/or last year's movie on DVD. I've found some fun theme caches based on colors, sports, etc. Some cache owners require that trade items match the theme, but others realize that might limit the number of finders/traders, so they allow for non-theme trades and then replenish the cache with theme items as necessary. An FTF certificate or small FTF prize like a gift card is nice. Travel bugs and coins are almost always appreciated. However, there's no need to spend a lot of money. Like PilotMan said, if you simply fill your cache with what you'd like to find in a cache, others will enjoy it. Provide some for kids, some for general cachers, and you're in great shape. Most of all, have fun with caching as you contribute by placing one!

Yep, I find my 60csx with Sirf-III does about as well as my Magellan under tree cover. In urban environments, I'd give a slight edge to my 60csx.

4-5 stages max. I like the 2-stage idea when desiring to show folks what used to be called a virtual - a place where you can't put a cache at all or where you have to resort to a micro, then send them on to an ammo can final. Ed Yes, yes, yes...I agree with AR on this one (and that isn't always the case ). This is a great way to utilize historical markers, urban sites, etc., where a container won't work at the first stage. Reviewers can advise you on how to create an offset multi in place of what used to be a virtual. Additionally, you can waymark it on the other site just for the first-stage spot if it's important to you.

I can understand this. I didn't quite finish my second attempt at a Waymark today. I got past the plastic pool of death balls, and made it up the the killer net ladder, but alas there were all these short people plugging up the tunnel of terror. I will have to try this one when I am prepared to battle my way to the double yellow rainbow. Its going to make a great video! I'll check with the managers and see if they gave permission to list their restaurants on Waymarking before I publish the film. Do I need permission from the restaurants to publish the image that meet the requirements on Waymarking? Could be a problem huh? I am not using Groundspeaks logo or name, I changed it just a wee bit. I also promise to start listing these "Quality Locations" Impressive video, so clever of you and just what I expected, though I was surprised you went to so much trouble to express your dislike for Waymarking. As I also expected, it appears you might have missed the fine print at the bottom of my previous post concerning the use of sarcasm. I'm sorry that you feel the need to continue in this vein, though I admit to chuckling at your video and am happy for you that you find yourself so funny even in a thread where others may try to be constructive. I'm not saying sarcasm doesn't have its place...just that the Cheers forum may be a better fit for your freedom of expression. They may even hold an award ceremony for your video if you feed the pig. Trying to remain on topic and reduce the sarcasm level, please respect the moderators/TPTB and their decisions even when you disagree and fixate on waymarks as being uncreative or limited to fast-food spots. For me, a micro near a SC interstate exit would provide the same "adrenaline rush" that you expressed in your video. Guess I should try to avoid giving you any more ammunition. (edited for typo and micro comparison)