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I believe there was a typo in the earlier link. Try this one: Bookcrossing.com. It's a great idea that deserves to have more success.

I dropped White Jeep TB "Johnn" on July 2 in the UK cache GCG3K1: Two Bridges, NW of Edinburgh in the Kinross area. As the log indicates, it took a bit of a hike (almost 3 miles round trip from my hotel), but it was well worth the effort. My original plan was to drop two WJTBs in the UK, but I ran into three conflicts. 1. Job: Chaperoning over 30 teenagers on a tour with a full itinerary was my first priority, allowing little time for caching. 2. Container size: Micro/small containers weren't large enough to hold the WJTB in London. Even when I went on walks in Regents, Kensington, or Hyde Parks, the only caches I saw listed were micros. That's understandable in the city and I still would have looked for them if I'd had more time. 3. Timing: While in the Oxford/Headington area, the itinerary called for a dean's lecture at Magdalene College (close to local micros/muggles) and visits to the graves of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien. I simply didn't have time to head to the local parks where I wanted to find caches. In Edinburgh, the G8 march was planned for the following day and security measures were abundant, allowing for little caching. I managed to nab Greyfrier's Bobby micro, but couldn't get to Firth of Forth's "Other Side Of Edinburgh" cache as I'd hoped. Hope even one will help and that it keeps moving!

I'm bringing at least two White Jeep TBs to the UK and will probably drop one off in London or Oxford during the last week of June and the other in Edinburgh durng the first week of July. They won't fit in micros or even small caches due to their size, significantly larger than last year's Yellow Jeep TBs. If I'm fortunate, I may be able to obtain some more WJTBs (or Yellow Jeeps or a US/KY Geocoin), but the WJTBs are the hot items right now. These two I was fortunate to find in caches, one just over a week ago and the other one today that I still need to log. I've already received at least one plea and I understand, but I'm hoping to log finds when I drop them.

Doing a keyword search for "Indiana Spirit" resulted in over 200 ISQ caches. It wasn't run as a PQ and I don't have it bookmarked, so it may not be exactly what you're seeking, but here's a link to the list: Indiana Spirit Quest caches

It may be worth noting that Magellan placed one of their "Be There" contest caches in the Dupage Country preserves last week near the trail connecting Herrick Lake Forest Preserve to Danada Forest Preserve. Evidently, they obtained permission and even followed the plastic container policy, an exception to the ammo boxes they've been using for their other caches. Maleki was FTF and Corps of Discovery was STF. This appears to concur with BartlettGoonies post that the DCFP is regulating but not discouraging caching.

StangGuy, I encourage your intentions in trying to reinstate caching at CSP, but please realize that when you say something like "get you people thinking straight" that it could create a combative tone, especially when you're addressing extremely experienced and responsible cachers who are either posting to this thread or reading it. They individually have found thousands of caches (Deermark, Daggy, Turtle3863, Geode Hunters, WCnut and Tater, etc.) and have hidden hundreds with permission, some of which I know you have found and appreciated. Of course, if your later apology was meant for them, then I applaud you, because this certainly isn't a "look, see I was right, you were wrong" situation. Many locals with thousands of finds like Lumberjack Tom (and others who are just lurking or don't vist the forums) are also disappointed by the current status. As Turtle mentioned earlier in the thread, there are some cachers who might want to do their own thing, but these are the exception and a minority, and not among the local cachers who have tried to post here. These are highly respected veteran cachers who actively seek permission to place caches and are trying to follow the new DNR policy. As some have already tried to tell you, they were following the rules as communicated to them. The rules were changed without notice and their caches removed. However, after the removal, the policy you linked became very familiar to them and is posted on the the Inky-Geo organization's home page as the proper procedure to follow. Please don't assume they have not tried to follow the policy/permit process just because they haven't replied to you in the forums. I hope CSP approves more new caches, including any you might apply for, as well as others. I'm just not optimistic that the property manager interprets the new DNR policy in the same way that cachers do. Most are well aware of CSP's new attempts to bring people to their park. Please contact InKy-Geo if you'd like to know of those who have tried to communicate with CSP. I think you'll discover that although CSP does wish to hear from the public about what they want, that this includes geocaching only in a very limited, restrictive format in comparison to other parks that have the same DNR or similar policies. Of course, I'd like to be wrong about that.

I truly hope that the appeal process works, but even if it does, I don't see the CSP PM following it. He seems to have made it an issue of "it's my park, not the public's" even when cachers fill out the permits. It's not just an issue of staying out of protected areas. Although lcoal cachers felt he mishandled the removal of earlier caches without warning since the park had previously encouraged them, the DNR policy/permit process is fine if he'll abide by it as written. I wish I could be more optimistic about those chances. I had only cached in CSP once and loved it. I won't be going back unless things change. Too many other parks to see that do allow caches placed with permission.

Yes, I signed up before the release and received that e-mail reply as well. However, as others have remarked, the e-mail notifications of a WJTB being dropped off don't seem to be active (unless it's your cache or maybe one that you're watching). Of course, you can still scroll the pages of caches nearest to your home zip code looking for the icon, though it takes a while.

El Diablo, from the other GW4 thread you started (now closed): Bjorn74 stated: "Next year is MiGO's turn to host the International Social. Since they're talking about something on a whole different scale and have quite a bit already into it, I think it's safe to scratch MI off the list. The Midwest has it's own thing going on that everyone's invited to. If you're looking for a cheap weekend, you can't do much better. As far as I'm concerned GW can stay on a coast or down South. It's tradition that it's in a very cache-dense area with 100% guarantees on good weather. That said, there's no reason that it should be the only big event. It's not, by the way." I was a bit disappointed they might not apply for GW4, but it is understandable. You need an organization that can be fully committed to the event to pull it off like NEFGA did.

Yep, what GPSax said, only the final, though it's nice to mention other stage finder(s) in your log.

Yep, Zanfel's the best stuff I used when suffering an extensive outbreak last year. Tried cheaper remedies (Caladryl/Calaclear, Benadryl Anti-Itch, hydrocortisone anti-itch creams, etc.), but they provided only temporary relief and minor drying. Zanfel was expensive, but did the trick when the directions were followed, and that seemed to be the key. On the inexpensive side, Burt's Bees poison-ivy soap helped take care of minor outbreaks as well or better than the other stuff I tried apart from Zanfel. There's another one, Tecnu(sp?), that I've read is also effective. edit: item title

I'm not even a marbles lover, but think I would love finding those. Definitely a sig or prize item, but risky to leave them in a cache as regular trade items.

Last year the same type of community input was debated. It came down to the same thing as it does this time. --JoGPS started GW, so it's his event to oversee in conjunction with the organizations he chooses. --He uses past GW hosts to help select the next host. Thus, it begins as a committee event and becomes a community event after the site decision is made. --Result: It may not seem fair or the best method to some, but he did create it and that appears to be the way he wants to run it. I'm recalling this from past threads and hope I'm not misrepresenting his thoughts. If so, I hope he'll correct me. As I recall, NEFGA's GW3 committee welcomed volunteers and input once they were selected. My guess is that the GW4 folks will do the same. I sure hope I can go next year...Michigan, Texas, Washington, Colorado, New Jersey, or wherever. edit: spelling

I suffered from a fairly severe case last summer, but that doesn't mean it's always controllable (and snakes don't always crawl off, at least not some I've met). I hate the stuff too. However, if you place a cache in the winter or early spring, the "leaves of three" may not be evident and that's the way most recognize it. Hiders should do their best to avoid it, but please don't hold them responsible for Mother Nature.

It's improbable to thinks it's entirely avoidable except for in areas where it's obviously rampant each year. PI can pop up during the summer near a cache, yet appear non-existent during the winter. Like RK said, it's another obstacle along with creeks, bugs, snakes, etc.

Welcome to the addiction, umm...to geocaching, beffie! You'll find some soon. Just keep trying. You may want to try this link to find some one to cache with in CA: West/Southwest Regional Forum (including California)

$457.79 for 2,322 cans! That works out to just under 20 cents a can if my math is correct. Great deal, but you should note that shipping's not included. They just give you a list of shippers in your area. I bet that price could be higher than the cost of the cans.

Here's the main link and one that works with school projects. KY has over 1700 markers in the primary database. The second one requests contributions about the markers from schools, including photos, and I bet coordinates would be appreciated when missing. Kentucky Historical Society's Marker Database Signs of History (Historical Markers and KY Schools) Much of the database info is linked to this book: Roadside History: A Guide to Kentucky Highway Markers. (2002) Compiled by Dianne Wells; edited by Melba Porter Hay and Thomas Appleton Jr. --"This more than 300-page travelogue contains the text of the more than 1,800 markers that dot Kentucky’s highways and byways in all 120 counties. The markers, green with gold letters and emblazoned with the state seal, carry historical inscriptions commemorating sites, individuals, buildings, and events of statewide or national interest. There are markers that tell of a duel of honor, a seven-year-old boy who served as a drummer in the Revolutionary War, and the 1937 Ohio River flood. Others highlight moonlight schools that were established to combat illiteracy, an Indian academy, the first state-supported school for the hearing impaired in the U.S., and a giant, centuries-old sassafras tree." (from KY Historical Society website) edit: to add book info

Look, let's make it real simple. You get the cemetary owner's permission to place a cache, any type of cache, then place the freaking thing. Just remember that the property owner, upon recieving sufficient complaints just might have the gonads at some future date, to request that you move or remove it. As a matter of fact, the property owner might even request such radical action just because he wants to. And the property owner does not need some 'policy list' in order to do so. He might have such a list but is in no way limited by it, his own creation. It is very unlikely that a property owner by allowing a cache to be placed on one day is some how granting perpetual license to continue hosting the cache until the end of time. Crimminie! Now as far as joggers go, it is very unlikely that they could ever behave in a way that would raise the ire of cemetary owners or the relatives and friends of those who permanently reside therein. I wasn't specifically referring to placing caches, so I was probably off-topic (my fault), leading to the misinterpretation of my post. I always think one should get permssion. However, I do think you should be able to consider and use your own family's plot as your own property. I've even seen this done with a cache in a respectful way, though I realize that's a matter of opinion. Public-access cemeteries with permission for purposes other than paying respects (jogging, dog walking, bird-watching, caching, etc.) appears to be the greater debate. I'll probably avoid this thread unless an actual discussion is renewed--too much condescension/emotion with phrases like "Let's make it real simple" and "place the freaking thing." A profitable debate has been replaced by I'm right, you're wrong.

In response to Alan2's summary of a cemetery's policies: Although I appreciate and understand the reasons for rules to maintain respect, I agree with RK and CR concerning excessive policies. My guess is that the directors are led to be more lenient in reality to cooperate with families. Otherwise, people would consistently choose other cemeteries in order to have a place to express their grief. Example: "No boxes, shells, toys, sprinkling cans, receptacles or similar articles are permitted on any gravesite, plot or tree." I've been to some extremely well maintained cemeteries over the past few years and I can't imagine strict enforcement of this policy if the item is obviously related to the person buried there, especially a small toy (like a stuffed animal) on a child's grave. I'm guessing they're much quicker to enforce the policy if the item is an obstruction, damaged, or unsightly.

Interesting I'd instinctively have thought that GDxxxx was far better than GCAxxxx. Keeping 6 chars and the sort order would have been my choice. Malcolm Here's a current thread (though it's come up before) that provides a more detailed answer, including Jeremy's response and some info on why "GDxxxx" is probably not an option.

Yes, I know some hides with long hikes may just increase the terrain rating, but the regular Clayjar hide rating system appears to include length of search time as a factor in determining the difficulty rating. Multis (referred to as "multi-leg" caches in the rating system) are automatically linked to the difficulty rating when you view the results. I've always thought that was because of the increase in overall time spent on the cache. Perhaps it's just a glitch in the rating system? Or maybe that's the way it's supposed to be? Example: I entered a sample hide in the system, indicating the lowest level of difficulty/terrain in response to every question except the last about "How easy is the cache to find?" The "cache may be multi-leg" description is listed as part of the third option. However, selecting that response automatically results in the cache being rated a "3" difficulty regardless of the other answers. The only contributing factor appears to be time, even if that's only a few minutes at each stage. edit: to add example

Let's say that each stage of a 3-stage or 4-stage multi only takes a few minutes to find, but if you include the additional hike of almost a mile, the cache ends up taking over half an hour. Difficulty level then increases to at least a two-star, correct? When I've used the cache placement rating system (Clayjar's), it always seems to work out that way.

I'll be coming to the UK in three weeks and will be in London, Oxford, and Edinburgh areas. I'm fairly certain I'll have a WJTB to drop off, hopefully one for each area if I can find/persuade some local caches/cachers. Then I just have to find the right caches for placement--lots to choose from!

I got one and my son VR Turtle got one we plan on putting them out on the 6th of June in the area of my Turtle Trek 2 and 3 but they will not be as hard of a hike. Look out around the 6th for them to post. On topic: The more I read and hear about GW3 from local KY cachers and from those far away on the cache page, the more impressed I am with NEFGA's accomplishment. Way to go! Even if GW3 is over, I look forward to a Jacksonville trip in the future for my own beach and historical cache runs. Off topic: Thanks for the news, Turtle--at least I have a chance at an indirect GW3 link since the Jeep was there. Of course, that's only if I can find the cache first.