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Another one would be on the Elgin Trail, just west of St. Thomas. I held an Organized Cache Hunt type event here, and a group of very hearty souls seemed to have a great time walking from one end to the other on a awesome (but sloppy!) trail.

Two smaller Power Trails implemented as introductions to Night Caching: Easy as 1,2,3 Ghost Train

Another canoe power trail for those interested here.

A great caching couple in Niagara has placed a Power Trail on the Bruce Trail that may offer exactly what you asking about. See Stashes Between Caches as an example. While perhaps not a traditional power trail in the sense that most folks might expect, there are a large number of them in a row hidden in various ways with the containers you seek on one of the greatest trails around.

Please leave any personal accusations out of the this forum thread. If you have personal issues with me or anyone else in the forum, take it off line or keep it to yourself and keep the forum polite. 3. Personal attacks and inflammatory behavior will not be tolerated. If you want to praise or criticize, give examples as to why it is good or bad. General attacks on a person or idea will not be tolerated. If you don't agree, feel free to send me a private message. Again, can we return to the topic at hand instead of discussing what the topic at hand is? I'm not seeing a criticism on a person but rather a criticism about PT cache quality. Agreed, though in the context of the OP, from what I see, the original question had nothing to do with the perceived quality or personal opinions of power trails, but rather the locations of power trails within Ontario. Anything else seems best fit as discussed in a separate thread.

A great caching couple in Niagara has placed a Power Trail on the Bruce Trail that may offer exactly what you asking about. See Stashes Between Caches as an example. While perhaps not a traditional power trail in the sense that has been discussed here (you don't seem to be looking for that anyway from where I sit), there are a number of them in a row on one of the greatest trails around.

Another one running from Prescott-ish to Highway 21: Here.

Cataraqui Trail, roughly running from Greater Napanee to Harrowsmith.

Forgot to mention this one on the Friendship Trail, down in my neighbourhood.

There's another one in Essex County along the Essex Greenway Trail. This is just one of the caches.

Stumbled upon this thread and waded my way through. I've, honestly, nothing constructive to add save for the fact that this thread reminded me of something I saw once on . Though I'm sure there may be errors in the presentation, hopefully it provides a chuckle for those who've not seen the vid previously.

Just wanted to lend a last few words from the perspective of someone who attended and also hosted an OGH-style event. Judging by the logs that have come in thusfar for my recent event, I'd say that the day was enjoyable and the event was a success. Given the exceptionally challenging terrain (mud, creek crossings, steep terrain) people are still logging positive reviews about their time on the trails. One "attended" stands out above the others for me: The caches we were doing were in terrain above this new cacher's capability, and she had to leave the trail with one of our group to guide her back to safety. It turns out that this cacher really needed the help since they had no topo maps on their GPS, and would likely have been lost otherwise. Further, as I understand it, this player had a some medical ailments working against her, and by the time that group reached the road, she was in so much pain, she wept. And yet, after all that, she still had positive things to say. I suppose one could say that the person ought to have known better than to think that this was going to be a cakewalk given all the information on the cache pages or the event page, but at just over a month into the game, I'd prefer to think that she learned more about herself and the game as a direct result of one event than the vast majority of other events where cachers meet at pubs and wax cacheosophical. To me, people learn more about the game out in the field than they ever will having chicken wings and beer, and the reason that they do learn more is because they are actually doing it themselves with veteran guidance. I can't imagine driving without lessons with my folks in the passenger seat, or training wheels on my bike, so having common interest people in one setting - newbies and veterans - actually enjoying this game out in the wild seems like the best reason to have this variant of event exist. Are there issues that affect this style of event? Sure. Every cache, in my opinion, has the potential to be detrimental to the surrounding environment and neighbouring community. I suppose some folks could view the thought of having a large number of cachers at one cache at one time as more impactful than just one or two coming by every other day, but I also think that the potential for less impact to the area occurs as a result of cachers learning better searching habits or seeing more styles of hides to aid them at other caches elsewhere. As I've mentioned before in this thread, I just don't see any reason why these cannot be held and stated as such in the listing text. Should this style of event continue to be excluded, as before, this type of event will be held again and veiled under the premise of "Flash Mob" or "Group Hike" instead, and while I'm certain that for many the silly picture or lenghty hike is the actual goal, many will also attend to grab the nearby caches also. As they should, in my opinion, since this game is actually about caching. A couple things I'd like to see (some I've mentioned previously): 1. Some sort of list explaining what cache(s) the group is looking to target. Given the above example of a relative newbie with perhaps no access to bookmarks, it might be best to have that info in the listing text as opposed to anywhere else. In that way, absolutely everyone is able to see what they're getting into in advance. 2. I'm not 100% sure it's necessary in Ontario, but perhaps some sort of saturation guideline would be beneficial. Perhaps, something to the effect of no 2 OGH should be within 50km of each other or held by the same individual in the same area within the same or consecutive days. These would be guidelines, and based on the perceived benefit of the game, would be handled by the VRs as they saw necessary. 3. I'm not seeing the need for another icon, but I have no qualms about it either. My opinion is that an attribute or some sort of requirement for the title (adding "OGH" in a similar fashion to the guideline of having the word "Challenge" in newly published Challenge Caches, perhaps?) would be sufficient. 4. Perhaps one region's opinions are not going to be sufficient. Having discussions with other cachers, it stands to reason that having this test run in Canada during November and December limits our ability to demonstrate style and creativity of an OGH. Maybe try us again in the summer or look to have a sunny state hold another test run for comparison's sake. I would ask that this idea is neither passed nor shelved without some other input to make the final decision. 5. Some folks have floated the idea of limiting the number of people able to attend any one OGH. From where I sit, I can't imagine any scenario where the CO of an event held in an area where the public is reasonably expected to located can say "Well, the first 50 people are OK to come, but once that number is reached, you can't cache with us". It just sounds unenforceable and slightly absurd to me. Thanks for letting us be the guinea pigs for you hamsters.

Howdy! I'd recommend the 4 or 5 caches in the same tract of land near GCZVB4 - Marshall Memorial Forest. I'm not sure what took me so long to grab the caches in there, but it was a nice pleasant walk. Another one to get while in the area is Ontario's oldest cache GC2B4 - Deer Bait. Again, a nice decently lengthed hike in a beautiful area.

Certainly can't speak for how or why these were allowed to stay active, but hopefully your efforts will go a long way to helping our VRs keep charities off the listings in the future. Seems reasonable that at least the ones mentioned in this thread will be looked over more carefully going forward, and thus, we shouldn't see that placed in the listing for future incarnations of those events.

I'm guessing that gg's recent note on the cache page may also have something to do with the decision: I've added the bolded text.

I rather like the idea of OGH as events. I've never quite understood why these weren't permitted to exist before since many of them seemed to exist previously, though without the OGH moniker or reference to the notion that folks were gonna get together to target caches. This game is about caching, and whether in large numbers or small, this augmentation to the social aspect of the game seems to me as though it would have far more benefits than detractions. I appreciate that we must speculate somewhat since this "out-of-the-closet" event style is in its infancy, but some of the hypotheticals brought up here border on the absurd. Like many other facets of the game, there will be some things that the masses will enjoy and others that they avoid. I have absolutely no problem if someone chooses to avoid this style of event (should they live on for others to enjoy beyond this test period) as though it were seen as the "lamp-post" of event caches, though as a caveat, I suppose I am largely a "numbers" type cacher and see nothing wrong with enjoying the game in that fashion. As I mentioned before, one thing I'd really like to see as a condition of this type of event listing is a list of target caches of some sort within the listing, whether by bookmark list, descriptive text or perhaps a screen capture of a map of the area in question. Something that gives the potential attendee an idea of what they're getting into prior to sign up so that they may be properly prepared.

Having a look at the maps in that area, it's difficult to determine which geocache this may be. Any chance that the GC code or title of the cache is listed on the logbook inside the container? Another thing that makes this difficult to pinpoint is that there are other similar games to Geocaching.com which use the same basic premise of "Hide a container, list a description of the location online". Once you have that information (should it be present), it might be best to place a note on that listing to make the owner aware of your concerns since not every cache owner frequents these forums. Hope this helps.

It should not be assumed that no one person or group is working on the "entity" issue. There may be some one or group trying to and is just not saying publicly that they are. It will take more than a meeting or a letter to get this "entity" to welcome geocachers as a whole. Absolutely agreed. I have no reason to doubt that the organizations who should be leading the charge are indeed leading the charge. I hope you understand that the example above was merely an attempt to re-gain our collective bearings and perspective about those things that are larger in scope and really should have our passion, rather than pointing fingers saying "Why isn't OGA (or some other representative group) doing their job?"

Nah... I'm as guilty as the next person on this issue. Actually, until recently, I had very little idea how much effort the OGA placed into this subject a number of years back. It was an amazing effort put forth by those folks which came up a little shorter than I think everyone would one day hope to see. With that said, maybe a thread should be started to discuss the merits of re-opening discussions to see if more can be done. I'm starting to realize that's the only way that many will see that someone has passion about something affecting this game. It doesn't. Actually, it states quite the opposite about physical placements. I suppose if we were to stop worrying about petty things and focused our combined efforts toward a common (dare I say "Greater") goal, maybe we could all benefit. From my perspective, this same statement could also read: Groundspeak provides a website, listing service, voluteers to make it operate and whatnot in exchange for our optional membership fee. i would love it if we were able to list charities, businesses and the like on there, but they are not obligated to allow it just because we wish it of them... The statement I made above was attempting to point out that perhaps the items some choose to make a grand fuss over really aren't all that big when you step back and see the bigger picture. These items seem galringly small to the one item I pointed out. For brevity's sake, I omitted other landowner education, police enforcement co-operation, public awareness of our game and many other things that really are of greater importance to this game whether you choose to accept that or not. My concern is not with Parks Canada, but rather Ontario Parks, since you asked. Though I could be wrong, Parks Canada does seem to have a policy in place that allows us to more fully enjoy their land by having physical placements inside their land, within certain guidelines, to play our game. The difference lies in where I choose to draw the line with what I'll accept in this game. Seems to me that wanting charities in the listing is small potatoes when there are many other things that we could throw our weight behind.

I think it's unfortunate that the 3 "hottest" topics this year in the Canadian forums amounted to: 1. I feel I am entitled to mention a store name on my cache listing as my FTF prize. 2. I feel one cache is more important than the thousands that have come before it and therefore feel, because of the perceived historiocity of that cache, it should be entitled to the spot that someone else now wishes to use for any purpose whatsoever, even though that goes against an established VR protocol of spot reservation that may have benefitted me in the past. 3. I feel I am entitled to mention on a cache listing that a charity stands to benefit from any excess toys brought by attendees since giving to charity is inherently good and I've always been able to do so in the past. Further, I have a beef with anyone else using my listing description to further the comeraderie of the game. In this country, and many others around the world, we have more pressing issues that affect this game which should garner our attention, but because they don't tend to affect one person solely, we conveniently ignore them. We tend to draw arbitrary lines in the sand which say "I'm OK with that, but not with this" and then debate the merits of those points as though we are somehow "owed" something because we play the game and may or may not pay a menial subscription fee that allows us to enjoy the game more completely. As an example, in this province (Ontario), we have an entity that will not allow for physical placements of caches within their boundaries, and while a portion of your tax dollars goes toward this entity, nobody seems to care about that anymore and would seemingly rather argue the merits of how the needs of a few should take precedence. Why aren't we all up in arms about this entity's policy? Why do people really feel the need to argue incessantly about petty things like the 3 mentioned above? The lines in the sand many folks continue to draw while sweating the petty details about this game reek of petulance and entitlement and stunt the game more than any VR has ever done by following established guidelines.

Assuming that the answer is once again the same as the previous appeal(s) submitted, I wonder what kind of timeframe TPTB have on archiving your event for leaving the text about the charity in place? I agree with ChileHead: Charities = good, suggesting on cache pages = bad.

I have no issue with requesting the timestamping (I kinda like it, though I'm not likely to use it) but I think this statement is incorrect. The VRs have a hard enough job sifting through dozens of potential listings on their own time to have to worry about putting something flowery for their reviewer publication note. Some do occasionally (RadicalEd puts haikus in her notes, I'm told) but that shouldn't be expected, IMO. Edit: for emphasis.

There was a marginally on-topic joke post after the initial request so I it appears at least one of the Ontario reviewers reads the forums. The topic of this thread is directed at the Ontario reviewers which is why I put the (pre-qualified as being slightly) off topic request within. It was a feature request that originally led me to make the request -- I linked to it in my post. Here it is again. That thread is for a (now SUBMITTED) feature to allow for insertion of a visit time stamp on a log by the website, which is why it is in a forum for website feature requests and bug reports. This was more of a reviewer feature request and I am certain that this fact would have been pointed out, had I attempted to create a [FEATURE] thread for it in that forum. Perhaps I should create a new thread within the Canada sub-forum? IMO, yes. Seems more logical to me to do that in case your request takes over this forum thread which seems more geared toward the idea of "being a reviewer". Not only that, but cachers (and VR's, since they do indeed visit these forums) can notice that topic and weigh in. Apologies for not noticing your link initially.

Your commentary is incredibly insightful. Might you have something constructive to add to this discussion?

I wonder if this off-topic post might best be served as a feature request? While it's not my cup of tea, clearly there is a subset of players who enjoy the race for FTF and this request may benefit more than just Ontario. You may find the Geocaching.com feature request thread here.