Dr. House

it is the same thing if and only if all that reviewers do is archive caches. currently, SBA effectively means the same thing as NRA (needs reviewer attention) because that's just the mechanism how caches get archived. but if the log type actually was changed to say NRA instead of SBA, then people would start using it for other reasons too, and not only if they actually think the listing should be archived. that's where the difference comes from. Can you perhaps give some examples of scenarios in which you would choose to use "Needs Archived" and others where you're sending an email to a reviewer because of some perceived issue? Otherwise, I still feel you're focused on the perceived "non-PC" verbiage of the log type and using another mechanism to achieve the same result.

In order to have something archived, does it not require reviewer attention? Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, I still believe you're saying the same thing. Changing the semantics of the log type still yields the same result insofar as getting a message to the volunteer reviewer is concerned.

well, that's what the log may de-facto mean. but it's not what it says. as it is now, SBA is SBA. if in reality it means "needs reviewer attention", then they should change the log type to say that. but until they do that, it still means that you think it "should be archived". some kind of secret internal knowledge doesn't change that. The idea behind the "Needs Archived" log is not secret internal knowledge and is readily available to you here. Really, in the end, aren't you saying the same thing as knowschad?? My personal stance is that I log a "Needs Archived" immediately for anything that I perceive to threaten the integrity of the game (usually a violation of placement guidelines or local laws). I will also log NA on a cache that sits abandoned and unmaintained by a CO with "Needs Maintenance" logs on it.

About half-way through the year, and I've done all these except for #2, which I am still working on. To my knowledge, Juicepig is closest to finishing this goal with 3 districts remaining. I've also heard that 3-Bearss have this as a goal as well. Another cacher who may be close to completing this is jleecollins, though I'm only speculating on this based on their find range. Kudos to Bullfrog Eh-Team for getting so close to highlighting all those regions.

i really don't agree with that statement, its not true at all its very logical for inquiring minds to want to know more you don't need something to affect you personally to start a discussion about it, you mean to tell me that you never discussed anything that you just read about in a paper or heard of in the news, without it affecting you personally? I think we're saying the same thing here, actually. If I read something in the paper or heard about it in the news, that's an impetus to discuss. Some things affect us more personally than others, but we just don't simply begin talking about something unless there is something that starts that conversation; there's always a spark. In the case of the OP here, I was getting concerned that their firetack/nail/screw inquiry might be a feigned concern brought about by the recent archiving of their teammates' cache GC28E0Z. Clearly, I am mistaken as something else must've cause them to start this thread. My apologies to the OP for thinking otherwise, and let the debate continue.

Something still doesn't make sense about your desire to discuss whether nails/tacks/screws/bolts/other pointy objects should be allowed to be placed into trees/poles/posts/guardrail supports/whatever. For some *crazy* reason, I don't buy the "bored at work" rationale. See, it is in our nature not to care about injustices until that perceived injustice happens to us or someone close to us; we simply have no reason to. It is simply not logical to pick up a cause and tout it's merit without something having started an individual down that road. It's almost like you or someone you know tried to have (or perhaps did have) a cache published that utilized a screw or something which came to a reviewer's attention causing it not to be published (or archived, if it had been published). Perhaps this cache took a fair amount of effort to dream up and create and plan out... who knows. I think someone said something about angst on the first page of this thread, and I now believe they're correct. I'm not so sure anymore that the intent of this post was to discuss pointy objects in geocaching, but rather to vent about a "great" cache they took some part in that got denied or whacked. If so, it's unfortunate, really, that you should feel slighted by the volunteer reviewers who work hard to keep our game within certain parameters and away from any sort of scrutiny that would see us perceived as vandals; Groundspeak supports them and their decisions and so should you.

My father died in a freak firetack incident. Actually I was just bored at work. You mean, he wasn't wearing protective gear?

Kyle, Kudos for the great bit of work you've done creating that Ontario County Tagger macro. Love it.

Actually I am wondering about the inverse. No one has a problem with firetacks, but if I were to put a nail in a tree it would be an act of Eco terrorism!? I like drawing attention to injustices that stem from popular perception. I am not calling for a ban on firetacks, I am asking for an equal opportunity situation for small nails and screws! Is there any particular reason why this injustice has just struck you now?

I have a question for the OP: In your caching history, you must've seen many other things that some groups may have issue with. Some of those things may be: Geo-trails that lead off defined paths toward a geocache Lampskirt micros in parking lots or other private property Caches placed beyond "Private Property" or "No Trespassing" signs (I'm certain there are more placements that have caused issues for specific groups, but it gets kinda long and boring.) So I'm kinda curious... Why pick on firetacks?

10 tacks?!? Why those unlawful buggers... how dare they? [/sarcasm]

I personally have zero issue with anything placed in any tree/pole/post/guardrail (tack, nail, lag bolt, etc.) provided it is OK with the land owner/manager of said property. The point at which that person/body declares it damaging, whether I agree or not with that individual or entity's point of view, is when I consider it unacceptable. Clearly, those aren't necessarily the guidelines set out by Groundspeak, simply my opinions on this matter, and at the end of the day, I would respect any suggestions or direction set out by volunteer reviewers in the placement of my cache since it is just a game. Were you looking at placing a night cache and wanted to make sure your placement was on the up and up?

Here's a quick version of the TYP file with a 2pt line, and still a 1 point border. This ONLY affects the "Trail" linetype, as the "Trail on Road" linetype is a bitmap. Custom TYP File Beta - Dr. House Copy 1033E.TYP to C:\ONTTRAILS and resend the map from MapSource. MapSource caches tile images so hit Ctrl-G twice to reset the view inside MapSource (doesn't affect the view on GPS) I think this is pretty much what I was looking for; I am a happy fat kid. For me, the current colour scheme works, but was just too narrow for my liking. I have a feeling this version may also show up better on those with creme coloured backgrounds. BTW, is the above TYP file based on the currently available mapset?

I think NP once told me that each of the border and trail line is 1pt. I'm not sure (cuz I'm admittedly not very technical) but I think I might prefer something of the same colour, but slightly thicker - perhaps 2pt for the trail and leave the border as is? Again, before I lend my two bits, I'd have to see how that looks in action on my Colorado. As it stands currently, I think I find it a little too hard to see... but it sure beats not seeing the trails at all!!

I'm not certain whether a darker trail line versus a thicker trail line of the current colour would be my preference. I'd be curious to see what an extra pt or 2 would look like on my screen before suggesting a different colour.

4 months have gone by and I still keep an eye on this fairly regularly. It's kinda like watching Avatar break all those long-standing box office records. I'm beginning to think that the 'Pig is related to James Cameron somehow. Time to grab more popcorn.

This is harder then it sounds, i have been trying to do this for years.. Although its just those last three that have hindered me the last few! BTW, flights to Thunder Bay are cheapest in the Winter I was thinking a 4000km road trip immediately after Spring Fling, actually. We'll see how it goes.

Pffft.... suuuuuuure you are! My Goals: 1. 4000th cache find 2. Find at least one cache in every Region/District/County in Ontario 3. Cache more in New York 4. Attend more events in new areas

Sorry... I think I may have unintentionally derailed the OP's intent for this thread by suggesting a solution that may benefit both reviewer and participant for the above-mentioned scenario. May I suggest that CD's question still stands largely unanswered, IMO. Almost like we're seeing solutions, but not too many "real" reasons to have those solutions.

The only semi-valid reasons that immediately come to mind would be: - to reduce the amount of last minute cache submissions to the reviewer queue by those hoping to prolong a find on their cache until as close to the event date as possible - to minimize potential negative caching experiences as a result of compromized or damaged placements/stages (whether by muggles or cachers) in advance of the event that the cache was designed for To me, a person places caches to be enjoyed on the day of the event as an extension and augmentation of the event itself, thus my preference would be to continue to have the option to hold a cache in queue after submission and review. This discussion makes me wonder whether an opportunity exists on the GSP side to provide an option in the toolkit that will allow reviewers to set an auto-publish date/time on groups of caches that request a "hold for publish". Provided nothing changes on the cache page from the standpoint of co-ordinates, this solution would seem to negate the need to ask the above question.

The biggest surprise to me is how few cachers have caught on to this yet. Some people have gained many points over the past few months and others have missed the opportunity to catch the 'Pig. It's been fun to watch, for sure.

May I ask what your height/weight is? I am 5'9" and wouldn't anticipate an issue with space for my height, but I am right near 200lbs, which is the listed capacity.

I took this post as if you were looking for suggestions for caches to find while in the area? Attractions that people have already mentioned in their replies are good for touristing and offer something for everyone. If you're looking for geocaching escapes while up in this neck of the world, let us know. I personally work in Niagara Falls and live in the area. I'd also recommend the Niagara Glen. There are a few great geocaches in this area as a bonus (Devil's Arch & Niagara Gorge) but getting around in here may depend on how much energy your littlest one has.

Great story Chuck. Probably the best smiley story I've read yet.

When that private business decides that logs that say they are using their website AND breaking the law might be bad for business. Seems to me that a smart business wouldn't let those shenanigans slide, just to allow the offenders to get their precious find. So why are there geocaches listed on this private website in Cuba? By your logic, given the illegality of GPS usage within that country, these caches should never be allowed to be logged.