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I think you should add kentucky, arkansas, west virginia, etc...to that list. umc...you're a dreamer....if it could be that way, it would be right now. But of course when you get so many people on many different wave lengths together for a common purpose, then you have to have some sort of medium to maintain the peace and especially sanity. Many families with only a couple of kids can not live in peace without boundaries and then not even then. There's no difference here.

Well let me say this. I saw the one thread I believe it was last week, where people, even the moderators, were joking and having fun. I even mentioned to my wife that hell must of froze over. I was pleasantly surprised. Then not too long afterward, like a water faucet, as soon as it was turned on, it was turned off and things were back to the same old thing. I did think that there was going to be some unity between the mods and the knuckleheads. I don't think their is really a need of rules for the most part. You already have mods. Jut give them the guidelines of what is to be done. Perhaps a flow chart of some sort. I'm not a mod. Perhaps there is already one. If there is, it's not an effective or consistent one. Assign values to infractions against the rules already in place. i.e. cursing gets a 10% warn, flaming gets 10%, etc...give each one a value. Then when a person does one, give them the right amount, keep adding it on. When they get to 100%, give them a 3 day break or whatever value assigned. Put them on a probation for a certain amount of time. After a 3 day ban, if they screw up again within the probationary period, make it a higher ban and so on. Not sure as what the system is for removing warns, but have a set period. Have only Jeremey (which it may be already) as the only one to over ride warnings (remove them). Just some suggestions.... Just as I know that if I go a certain speed limit over the maximum amount that my ticket will be a certain amount. I also know that I acquire points on my driving record and that if I reach a certain amount, then my license is suspended. Of course different infractions result in different punishments, but you know what's going to happen.

<GASP>Next people will be saying that inputing the coordinates in manually and not having pda's or cache sheets are part of the fun! lol

I think its been said that OT is not so bad as long as its not to intentionally derail a thread and that its not done in a way to flame or be nasty to someone. jokingly, but did all the mods get that memo?

Never know when you may need to shoot an attacking cache....lol

Bingo Wray Clan...it's also a reason why there will always be cops, jails and prisons....Law Enforcement/Corrections is the best career field to get into for the most part if you are worried about job security. Of course there are places that RIF time to time.

I don't think people have a problem with what gets moderated for the most part. I believe it's more or less of the inconsitency of what gets moderated. As a mod, don't warn people or ban them for derailing a thread and then do it yourself. Also the inconsistency between the moderators. It's not like the moderators are all on the same playing field. You have certain ones who are more relaxed about things, while others are more a bit uptight. Kind of like putting Larry Flint and the Pope in the same room and letting them mod. I know that is extreme, but that's what it appears to be. The need is for a consistent pattern of punishment handed out across the board. If Jeremy says no cussing allowed on my board and one moderator lets things go and another one slams the door on it, is the one that lets it go derilicting in duty or the the door slammer being too harsh? You are right about there being room. There needs to be. Just as you questioned about rules being in B&W, there's a difference in the mod styles like B&W.

Yeah. You guys sure love your rules. We do? The last time I looked there were a set of them here.

Did you ever do anything in front of your dad that you couldn't in front of your mom? I imagine yes. But the difference is, that you aren't even sure who is watching or who will take action against you. You could walk a very tight rope and stay out of everyone's way (which isn't that hard to do), but many don't feel they should have to. Also on that comparison with your parents, what would you say if today your mom said you couldn't do this, but tomorrow you do it and she says nothing. Then you do it the next day and wham, punishment. Then the next day, she let's you get by with it. And then wham again. And then what if your dad, goes back and forth like that too...it's inconsistent. One should know what they are doing and getting themselves into. If i'm allowed to do this today, then I should be able to do it tomorrow. And if I'm not allowed to do it, then I would expect the mods to lead by example and not do it as well.

Yeah, you are getting the pot stirred....just in time for the holidays too! wooohoo... Seriously, or at least half-seriously, many feel they don't need to ask permission to place caches on "public land". I have placed 2 caches. Both in 2 different parks, but within the same cities park system. I got permission via email from the director herself. Another city park director said I could come ot some meeting and present it when I asked him. The other director approved it and I never followed through with the other one. Now another place told me no, because others had placed them there before without permission and they considered them geolitter. Unfortunately the person who said no, promotes a business on the site here. My best advice is for you to decide what you feel as the best way to handle things. Unfortunately, GC says they are only a listing site and will not get in the middle of it unless some land manager/owner is breathing down their necks. There is a presentation that geospotter made that's on my website on the forums. Feel free to download it and use it if you want. It's like 5 megs though, just as a warning.

lol kitch

But we may not agree with the person who suggested it. Or how do we know that the person who suggested is not a mods sock puppet? lol... I think umc said it best...Also let the filters work for themselves....

El Diablo....puh lease....I'll leave it just at that. mtn-man...I agree...certain things should result in certain things. Of course with the example you used, then a ban should be appropriate. sept1c....that's the problem. Too many arbitrators, arbitratiing the same things in different ways. For example I would expect the same warning results from all moderators. An across the board moderation. It should not be that mod x gives me 10% while mod y gives me a 3 day ban with no warn percentage at all for the same things. I've not received any of it, but those who have obviously are a little upset about how it is given or what is given by different mods. Some mods are harder on folks than others are.

This is a perfect example where parking coordinates should not have been posted and a multi cache would have been more appropriate. That was part of the requirement though cachew for placing the cache. The requirement was that they parked at a certain place and followed a certain route. Since it was requested by the owner of the land, I think it's an excellent example of when they should be posted. Also as I stated before, there are times that we've not used the parking coordinates listed because we found a better place to park and often a shorter route when hitting as many caches as possible in a short period of time. There are other options(boxes) available to fill out as well, but they aren't used. That would be up to the cache placer. But I can see the writing on the wall. One day it could be a requirement when placing a cache, just as with the stages of a multi.

If this is too stressful, wll then you know what my next words would be.. Once again, everyones vision of playing nicely is different. Or at least what should be acceptable is. Of course there are people that really don't a darn about it and you aren't going to change their minds. Actually by asking them to be nice, you are stirring up the pot to make it even worse. Just as in the other thread about the meter of shame, mtn-man makes reference to the daughter that you don't want to do a certain thing and it makes her want to do it even more.

I think it would depend on the cacher cachew. Some may want them, others will not. A set of coordinates for parking does not lessen the challenge, unless you have to use them and you don't want to. Thousands have cached without them and thousands have cache with them Mandatory? I don't think they would be mandatory and don't even see any mention of that they should be. If a person choses to list them, then it's all the better for those who would like them. If a person doesn't want to use them, then seeing some numbers is not going to spoil it for them. Now of course if they draw a map for you on there of where to park, then it shouldn't be an issue. I've used them before. And then there's been times I haven't used them. Sommtimes I've not felt comfortable with the coordinates they posted as a good place to park and have done otherwise.

Something else I was just thinking about also is that either the mods are going to be here or not. Won't make a whole bunch of difference if they are deleting/censoring/warning/banning or not. They will still be there reading the forums to ensure the things to mod aren't happening. The idea is commendable but really shouldn't make a difference.

Exactly Sparky. Have a guide to go by. A warning gets a certain percentage and lasts for whatever period of time. It should be when you reach 100% that you are restricted, banned or whatever you call it. Of course then, there should be levels of restriction as well. Of course the offenses should be carried accordingly with the appropriate levels of warning. Make it public as well. That way a person knows that they will get such an such for this or that. Right now, it appears a free for all, especially by the moderators. At least put some consistency into it.

I would say even if you post coordinates for parking in the open on the cache page that it's not something that will ruin it for those who don't want to use the coordinates. I don't know anyone who could look at some random coordinates and tell you where it's located. If you want to use them, then use them. If you don't, then don't.

No I didn't miss it and a matter of fact I quoted it. I was referring to using examples. It's the same thing as comparing. You used people as examples, so then you are comparing them still. The thing about modding is that it is a negative thing, at least to those being modded. It's the way they see it, especially when they don't see a reason why. You and I may see the reason, but they may not. Moderating is in no comparison to getting a traffic ticket. Because while a police officer may be issuing you a ticket for violating the laws right now, tomorrow they may be saving someones life or helping them change a tire. A police officers job is far more than to enforce the rules. A moderators job is more or less more of a straight line, enforce the policies. Doc-Deans example of him getting his warn lowered is a great thing. Was his initial warning needed? I have no idea as I don't even recall what it was. His was lowered for helping others and posting meaningful posts. Ok so what about all the other times when people that are banned that have helped others or posted meaningful posts? Do they get a "get out of jail free" card when they make those posts? Perhaps a merit/demerit system is needed if this is the way it works. Or at least now people know if they get a warning, all they need to do is blow smoke up someones butt and appear to help others. Not saying that is what DocDean did, but they know if that it can happen to others, then they will do it even if it is fabricated. Others are banned from posting for periods of time, therefore they don't even receive that chance to post something worthwhile of dropping their warn. One moderator may warn for something, while another won't. One may give a 10% warning while another may abn them for 3 days. Then on top of that, their are mods doing the same thing that others are getting warned/banned for. Someone mentioned "hypocrisy" somewhere. Is it true? I don't know, but seeing it from the backseat it appears that way. Come up with a moderator plan of action and have them all go by it. TPTB should be moderating the moderators and ensuring they are acting accordingly. Obviously it's not done because all we see is that they back up each thing their mods/approvers do (we wouldn't expect any less) and folks can see that mods/approvers do the same thing as others. I do agree, that if you feel a post is towing the line, then it's best to not post it, especially if being moderated is not what you want.

I have to agree with Criminal somewhat. Although the only moderation I ever received was a post that I made was deleted, I think it would be hard to say what one feels that should be moderated compared to the next person. Criminal may feel that his posts do not need to be moderated, when a moderator may see it otherwise. Just like is it 6 or half a dozen.

With the Geko 201, you are right about #21! Batteries, batteries, and more batteries! Hey to let you know also. We picked up some neck lanyards at target. I have a 201 and we bought my son a 101 for christmas. Picked up a couple of the lanyards and just realized that they say they are for the Rhino's . But the good news is that I opened the one for me up and it works with the 201 and assume the 101 as well! They were like $10 each.

Hey Spoonhead, good to see you posting! I've never had a problem with where to park on any of your caches. Although there are some places that can be kind of confusing. On one of my caches, I gave the coordinates to the parking area. On the other I did not, but I did state the park it is located in, which should be common sense of where to park. But not everyone even parks at the areas suggested. I know there have been a cache or two that the state parking coordinates are a lot further away than I could get. I have noticed some people have stated that by not posting where to park is making it more of a challenge and getting there is part of that.

And you know I am big on examples as well. Giving examples is the same thing as comparing one thing to another. And it should be one "thing" to another, but not one "person" to another. We are all different. We interpret and communicate differently. One may say something and we think we understand it 100%, but really we don't. Some people do communicate better than others. But each and everyone is differently. Modivating is not a positive way of making someone change. Modding is normally not a positive thing to the person you are modding, so there's no positive effect. Motivating although is an entirely different story. But once again, only those that are willing to change, will. Moderate them and don't try to modivate. By modivating, you are trying to incorporate both negativism and positivism into one. Kind of like saying you are ugly, but I still love you. If you want to incorporate leadership into your moderation duties, then lead by example, don't make "ideal posters" examples. If you are going to do that, then it needs to be incorporated into the policies or rules for the forums as to the "ideal" way of postings to be written. Yep, canned posts. Select from the multiple choices of what your reply will be. They are all politically correct. Be consistent (not just you, but all mods overall). Don't warn/ban someone from derailing a thread and then turn around and do one yourself (just like this thread after our last postings last night).

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