Colonial Cats

We had a cache hidden in a hole at the base of a dead tree. A bulldozer went through and over the cache. Never did find it.

I agree, however the shooter should not have to worry about unauthorized people in the background on posted property in a presumably safe zone. Maybe better signage and/or fencing may be in order in this case.

The (mostly contrived) "situation" has been resolved. You're trolling our forum at this point. Go away. Be nice! I agree that it's the right thing to be nice. It makes it harder when you're being yelled at and your fellow geocachers are being called idiots and liars. Although we need to cut him some slack for not knowing the ways of geocaching, he also needs to learn how to play nice with others. I do appreciate his attempt to get this resolved quickly, however his secrecy about a public place wasted time and caused frustration to those who were trying to help. Had he given the approximate location to us right away, we would have had the whole thing resolved in minutes. That said; "Thank you Danger_Warning for trying to do the right thing. When you are finished with this archery nonsense (how 15th Century) try out geocaching and we'll show you a good time."

"YOU PEOPLE"? I didn't place a cache in or near an archery course. To the best of my knowledge, none of y friends didn't place a cache in or near an archery course. For that matter, I am not aware of one single geocacher that has placed a cache in or near an archery course, aside from the one that you speak about. There are "idiots" in all walks of life. There are "idiots" that practice archery, but I'm sure you would not appreciate being grouped with them, simply because one of them did something stupid, would you? Well, neither do we. Your reasons are far from obvious. What is gained by not telling us where the cache is located? We can most likely get the cache shut down if we have sufficient information about it. If you refuse to tell us where it is, it will remain there until something serious really does happen. Well perhaps it may not be obvious to you, but I actually don't want to alert anyone to exactly where this item is, I was going to say 'for obvious reasons' again, but I'll just point out that an arrow, especially shot from a modern day bow is potentially lethal, and I don't want the police knocking on my door because I've publicised a certain location where someone has then been injured or killed? Someone HAS given me a name to try and get something done, which is exactly what I wanted to happen, and I have passed on more precise details, thank you. I did not wish to insult or upset anyone here, just warn people and try to get this thing disabled, that's all. Once this has been done I will be deleting my membership here and leave you be, but whilst there is still any risk of injury, either to a geocacher OR an archer, then I will remain here and try to reply if I can. As for stupid archers, I guess there may be some, but those of us who take the sport seriously are trained correctly, I personally am a member of both the NFAS and the EFAA and am insured through both groups to shoot on approved courses and at approved events ONLY. I wonder how many people who go 'Geo-caching' have any sort of formal training whatsoever, let alone carry any sort of insurance by way of public liability if nothing else? I totally understand, though that there is no legal requirement for you to do so though, unlike with my sport. I expect there are many of you who are, though, judging by the few things I have noticed on this (admittedly very interesting) website so far, which has to be a good thing. What you don't realise is that we, as members, can post what is known as a "Needs Archived" note, which alerts the reviewer to problems with that specific geocache. Telling us which cache it is (or the location of the cache) doesn't protect anybody. Any geocacher in the area can look at that cache page today and decide to go looking for the cache. By telling us which cache you are having issues with, we can post warnings and probably get the cache shut down. You are totally right, I 'don't' realise what can and can't be done because I am not a geocacher and have no experience in this stuff whatsoever, which is why I inititally didn't put the details down for fear of being in the wrong and attracting more people to it? Had I been advised to do this in the first place then I might have asked for further guidance, but as it is someone has (hopefully) pointed me in the right direction, and if this leads to the cache being disabled then that's all we need? If this doesn't happen, however, and in a timely manner, then I will be asking for further help, believe me. I'd just rather not reveal the exact location to everybody as yet, unless I receive express direction from my archery club to do so? It is not just your geocache that might attract unwanted attention, there has also been 'incidents' (theft, vandalism, etc) involving archery clubs throughout this country which is why many of their locations are not generally publicised? I understand your concerns about not providing the location. However, in this case, the cat is out of the bag. It's already publicized world-wide on-line as a Geocache. It's better to identify it as a problem until it can be removed. Otherwise, you may have other geocachers looking for it without realizing the danger.

Maybe so, but YOU weren't the person almost KILLING someone, were you? Dear Danger_Warning, I want to thank you for bringing this to the geocaching community's attention. I agree with you 100%. You reported and the geocaching community is appropriately responding. However, you should realize that any negative responses you received on this forum so due to you YELLING at the community right from the very start. Being human, if someone introduces himself to me by yelling at me, I may respond negatively no matter what the content of the message is. If you had stated the same words without yelling, you would have gotten the same help. We're just like that. That said, you did a great service by bringing this problem to light. Thanks again and maybe someday we'll meet while geocaching.

I cache alone sometimes, but 95% of the time it's a team effort with Mrs. Cat.

That's the best you could do.

The picnic was a great success today as it became a Mega Event. A great time was had by all. Ref: GC3DART

The picnic was a great success today as it became a Mega Event. A great time was had by all. Ref: GC3DART

I might be old fashion, but I think you should actually sign a paper log with ink to claim a find. You must pick up the container, open it, sign the log (none of this "Oh, I forgot the pen" nonsense), put the log back into the container (even if it takes 5 minutes to roll up the log), and put the container back where it should be. There is too much emphasis on "the numbers". Faster is not always better. I believe that by taking time to log a cache properly makes you appreciate the caching experience more.

Early registration ends 22 June. Registration ends 1 August. Please register (paid or free) to provide a good attendance estimate. Thanks.

Early registration ends 22 June. Registration ends 1 August. Please register (paid or free) to provide a good attendance estimate. Thanks.

Same thing happened to me. My cache was in place and request submitted a couple hours ahead of the other cacher. He took it in good stride and placed his in another location near by.

It depends on how much you want the smiley. At the very least, it should have a high difficulty level.

There is a requirement to sign the physical log.

My suggestion would be to go through the proper channels to try to make UTM an alternative method of posting coordinates. While doing this, I do not think that it would hurt to conform to the accepted method (acceptable to geocaching.com that is) of posting coordinates. It's like everyone in the room is speaking English and one person decides to speak only French (even though he does understand English).

I use TFTC as part of the closing to my log entry. I'll write something about the cache or the experience and I'll end it by writing "TNLNSL TFTC". Of course the abbreviations change depending on the cache. I'll write TFTE (event), TFTME (mega event), TFTVC (virtual cache), etc. I've gotten into the habit of using TFTH (hunt) for caches that receive a favorite point from us.

Early registration ends 22 June.

Early registration ends 22 June.

Actually, it was. I found this in one of the last paragraphs. I revisited the Help Center and Cache Listing Requirements and Guidelines, as Palmetto seems to suggest that my mental acumen is deficient and I had not thought to do so prior to asking for help, or that maybe a re-reading might help give me the answer on another read through. I began to research hides and finds < 2005. Originally, it seems, the parking lot, lamp skirt cache was not around or intended as a way to play, even after the death of the Virtual hide, but Geocaching.com has allowed it to evolve into what it is today, a cache simply for placing a cache, regardless of what they state in their guidelines or requirements. It can not be about the money, because being legitimately and successfully sued to the point of filing Bankruptcy and financial ruin would cause a different reaction. It goes back to being able to say you have "x" number of caches, regardless--a meaningless find, other than a number bump for both the hider and finder. Palmetto, I disagree, there is nothing difficult about obtaining an empty pill bottle, creating a log, deciding which lamp light skirt to raise that was not within 1/10 mile of another lamppost, obtaining the correct coordinates with the GPSr, and completing the online form, a little time consuming but only a little; difficult, no. Hello Max and 99!Now, asking and receiving permission for placing a cache on private property might increase the difficulty level, maybe.

Here is the link to the GCHR 10th Annual Picnic to be held on September 1st. Please register and make this a Mega Event. Here is the link to the cache page for more info.

Here is the link to the GCHR 10th Annual Picnic to be held on September 1st. Please register and make this a Mega Event. Here is the link to the cache page for more info.

We searched for a cache on land owned by an Home Owners Association that did not have any no trespassing signs posted. Someone from management asked what we were doing and after we explained the whole Geocaching thing, he asked that we take the cache away with us. Obviously, the CO did not get permission. We took the cache away, emailed the CO, and submitted a Needs Archiving post. We did take the Smiley though. That said, we would not usually post a Needs Archiving post until we give the CO to respond/react. WE might not know the whole story and this gives the CO a chance to correct the situation.

I get uncomfortable with all this archiving talk. I've seen some cachers become Geo-Police and create problems where none existed.

We use TFTC for all caches except as follows: TFTH - For caches that get a favorite point. TFTVC - Virtual Caches TFTEC - Earth Cache and so on. Mind you that we use these at the end of our write-ups. We'll always write something about the cache and/or our caching day.