Colonial Cats

Just from seeing how it ended for former forum members, I believe that members actions that lead to habitual deletion of their posts ultimately leads to bans. So mind your Ps & Qs and behave.

Just as a side note, what is the definition of a troll? Wikipedia says it is "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response". Is this correct? I know this is off topic, but somehow the question popped up in my head while reading this thread.

Typically, we search for 5 to 10 minutes.

Speaking of which, I think the use of plastic containers (baggies are the best) are just fine for hamster storage.

The moderator should close this thread. Nothing good can come of it.

Since this cache was archived in 2009, shouldn't it now be retrieved by the CO or bham geoguys?

I am sorry you feel this way, but look at the circumstances of your posting. You signed up for an account yesterday. You have no finds or hides. You immediately started a thread complaining about the use of plastics in the wild. Since the use of plastic containers is one of the preferred methods of hiding caches, your vague initial post naturally caused an uproar. It wasn't until a long series of posting later that we finally figured out you were talking about plastic bags. So now you have edited your first post so much no one will ever figure out what was asked about in the first place. Now I am not calling you a troll, however the way that this thread came about and with your now changed first post, you should understand why some of the posters might think you are a troll. The last straw is to call us fools. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and do not think you are a troll. But if you step back and take a fresh look at this thread, you should see that if a troll wanted to stir things up, this would be the way to do it. Just a piece of advice for future posting. Be clear on what you are talking about and do not call others fools. By the way, welcome to geocaching. it is a fun activity and most of the other cachers are great! Please read the guides available for beginners and find the cachers in your area to cache with. Please get some finds under your belt before you place one yourself. Enjoy, and I hope to meet you on the trails. I'm not sure if you are the person that was itemising all the "evidence" to support your/someone's troll theory or not, but if you are then I have to tell you that that was rather mean of you. If I were troll it would have become self-evident fairly soon I'm sure....and please do not say you are sorry, and then go on to try to prove it again and again and again ad nausum. Either you are genuinely sorry, or you are not, or you still believe Im a troll or you don't. I thought I had already said that my concern about the plastics was the very reason I set up the account in the first place. And, I may be wrong, but I was straight up honest and told ye I hadn't done a cache/find...why would I lie about something like this? I just don't get why you have so much distrust..and I get it even less as to why you would even want to put so much energy into proving such a worthless theory. You know, someone once said.... liars think that everyone else is a liar, and thieves think that everyone else is a thief. Therefore to every liar and theif you meet, they will always think you are a liar and a thief. Should I be applying this theory to you then, give how distrustful you think I am? Oh good...so now you're not calling me a troll.....instead he goes on to actually script what I should/should not be saying...and do.And it gets better....should I ever want to be a troll...well then, here's the "how to guide"....more advice,more scripting more dictates...and here we go...the finale..the nice pat on the head with the threat of us possibly meeting somewhere out in the middle of nowhere! Oh YOU may not be a troll.but you are certainly a textbook classic!! If you want my advice it will cost you €500/hour + expenses Anyway, I'm tired of talking about my potential as the site troll.....it's not the job for me. I'm sorry you misunderstood my post. I did not call you a troll; I simply pointed out why some folks would think so. My post had no hidden meanings or implied threats. I was just looking you in the eye and telling you exactly how I felt. Nothing more and nothing less. As for "meeting you on the trails" I truly met it in a nice way. I say that often when I email newbies. I met it as an encouragement for you to do some geocaching. I hope you realize now that I had no malicious intent. Try some Geocaching; it is good for the soul. Ok, well sure lets put it behind us then eh and not let it be causing us any more bother You know, if we did meet out there in some remote regions....I can guarantee you I wouldnt just let you pass by and not say hello to you, stop and have a chat....Well I have been a hiker for many years, so geo caching would be an extension of it, and yes, getting out there truly is good for the soul..and the rest too....

I am sorry you feel this way, but look at the circumstances of your posting. You signed up for an account yesterday. You have no finds or hides. You immediately started a thread complaining about the use of plastics in the wild. Since the use of plastic containers is one of the preferred methods of hiding caches, your vague initial post naturally caused an uproar. It wasn't until a long series of posting later that we finally figured out you were talking about plastic bags. So now you have edited your first post so much no one will ever figure out what was asked about in the first place. Now I am not calling you a troll, however the way that this thread came about and with your now changed first post, you should understand why some of the posters might think you are a troll. The last straw is to call us fools. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and do not think you are a troll. But if you step back and take a fresh look at this thread, you should see that if a troll wanted to stir things up, this would be the way to do it. Just a piece of advice for future posting. Be clear on what you are talking about and do not call others fools. By the way, welcome to geocaching. it is a fun activity and most of the other cachers are great! Please read the guides available for beginners and find the cachers in your area to cache with. Please get some finds under your belt before you place one yourself. Enjoy, and I hope to meet you on the trails. I'm not sure if you are the person that was itemising all the "evidence" to support your/someone's troll theory or not, but if you are then I have to tell you that that was rather mean of you. If I were troll it would have become self-evident fairly soon I'm sure....and please do not say you are sorry, and then go on to try to prove it again and again and again ad nausum. Either you are genuinely sorry, or you are not, or you still believe Im a troll or you don't. I thought I had already said that my concern about the plastics was the very reason I set up the account in the first place. And, I may be wrong, but I was straight up honest and told ye I hadn't done a cache/find...why would I lie about something like this? I just don't get why you have so much distrust..and I get it even less as to why you would even want to put so much energy into proving such a worthless theory. You know, someone once said.... liars think that everyone else is a liar, and thieves think that everyone else is a thief. Therefore to every liar and theif you meet, they will always think you are a liar and a thief. Should I be applying this theory to you then, give how distrustful you think I am? Oh good...so now you're not calling me a troll.....instead he goes on to actually script what I should/should not be saying...and do.And it gets better....should I ever want to be a troll...well then, here's the "how to guide"....more advice,more scripting more dictates...and here we go...the finale..the nice pat on the head with the threat of us possibly meeting somewhere out in the middle of nowhere! Oh YOU may not be a troll.but you are certainly a textbook classic!! If you want my advice it will cost you €500/hour + expenses Anyway, I'm tired of talking about my potential as the site troll.....it's not the job for me. I'm sorry you misunderstood my post. I did not call you a troll; I simply pointed out why some folks would think so. My post had no hidden meanings or implied threats. I was just looking you in the eye and telling you exactly how I felt. Nothing more and nothing less. As for "meeting you on the trails" I truly met it in a nice way. I say that often when I email newbies. I met it as an encouragement for you to do some geocaching. I hope you realize now that I had no malicious intent. Try some Geocaching; it is good for the soul.

Thanks, Keystone, for preserving what the first posting said. I didn't see this post when I made my last post.

I am sorry you feel this way, but look at the circumstances of your posting. You signed up for an account yesterday. You have no finds or hides. You immediately started a thread complaining about the use of plastics in the wild. Since the use of plastic containers is one of the preferred methods of hiding caches, your vague initial post naturally caused an uproar. It wasn't until a long series of posting later that we finally figured out you were talking about plastic bags. So now you have edited your first post so much no one will ever figure out what was asked about in the first place. Now I am not calling you a troll, however the way that this thread came about and with your now changed first post, you should understand why some of the posters might think you are a troll. The last straw is to call us fools. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and do not think you are a troll. But if you step back and take a fresh look at this thread, you should see that if a troll wanted to stir things up, this would be the way to do it. Just a piece of advice for future posting. Be clear on what you are talking about and do not call others fools. By the way, welcome to geocaching. it is a fun activity and most of the other cachers are great! Please read the guides available for beginners and find the cachers in your area to cache with. Please get some finds under your belt before you place one yourself. Enjoy, and I hope to meet you on the trails.

Sorry, I dont understand why a park would require a clear plastic bag? Here a park could be anything from a kiddies playground, to a field that has been nicely mown (see croke park) , to a football pitch, to grand elaborate landscaped garden. OK, to be clear, we do not equate a plastic container with a plastic bag. The plastic container must be durable and waterproof; something a plastic bag could never be. Properly maintained by the cache owner, a plastic container would pose no environmental problems.

Another thing to consider is that all caches are temporary, be it one week or 15 years. Part of the guidelines require us to pick up any residual caches/cache debris when the cache is archived. Between this and CITO events, I believe that the environment is better, as a whole, with geocachers in it. That said, I do agree that many of us need to take more care in selecting the right container for the right environment.

It's been pretty drab around here the past few weeks. The value of old timers in caching and in these forums should not be debatable. The experience and knowledge they possess is invaluable. This is especially true now that this activity is being flooded by novices. We need to get some of this experience and knowledge back. We need to allow open and honest debate without the feeling that we are walking on egg shells (which is how I am feeling now). We need to get those who have been recently banned (Tozainamboku, 4Wheelinfool and Mr.Yuck) pardoned and be allowed to disperse their experience and knowledge again.

I'm always looking for validation.

I found it

I am so sorry she didn't get past her last bout of cancer. Denise and I have fond memories visiting with you all at the geowoodstocks in Pennsylvania and Indiana. I really enjoyed the mementoes that we traded. They are part of the collection we have hanging on our wall. I hope that you will continue caching when you are ready. Commuting with nature is good for the soul. Take care.

When you take it to the bank, how much money do you think you will get?

We started out with Lowrance GPSrs. We would print out cache pages before hand at first and then we used a palm pilot for a while. We went paperless with our DeLormes but I still print out some pages for earth and mystery caches. I still write up our finds (and DNFs) both in a journal and on-line.

Thanks for the perfect example of the thread hijacking that was mentioned above. You have 31 posts in these forums. I have 17,824. Stick around for a few thousand more posts and see if you still want to make light of this thread. I would like the clarification too. I am posting less to this forum because I am not comfortable doing so. I feel I cannot express my true views on a topic without fear of upsetting somebody's apple cart. I figure if all of those long time forum regulars can be banned for expressing their opinions, I feel that I cannot express mine. The forum should not just be a cheering squad.

I've read this thread and given it a lot of thought. So I feel that I must say to the young people out there, "GET OFF MY LAWN"!

I think it's time to end this nonsense and reinstate the recently banned members. This will be the only way for the mods in this forum to redeem themselves.

I blam the this childishness on the fact there are way too many challange caches out there now. This Mr.Yuck situation has me feeling disillusioned. So much so, I am taking a break from these forums for a while. I encourage anyone else feeling disillusioned to also take a break. Some argue that there are too many caches of all types. But while it may affect how some choose to play, one should not let it affect how you enjoy the game. If it stops being fun, I'll stop playing. I don't want others to affect my enjoyment so I ignore them as much as possible. I heard that a couple of other forum regulars were also given the permanent boot in the forums here. If such actions is meant to be a deterrent, they should be made known to those who participate in the forums. Some of us are confused why certain people are banned while others are not. Color me disillusioned as well, but I neither encourage nor discourage anyone from participating in the forums here. As I had said before, I learned a lot here, and in my own small way I hope I had helped a few people with technical issues. I had taken a voluntary break in the past, and I think I will take one again. The bottom line is that the cheaters are only cheating themselves. Unless they are psychopathic, I would think that this would bother them on some level. The fate of Mr.Yuck, Tozainamboku and 4wheelinfool has me really bothered too. This will be my last post for a while.

Mr.Yuck was probably caught streaking.

Wait, what happened to Mr Yuck (or the cacher formerly known as TheWhiteUrkel)? Yeah .... me too. He always seemed to have good words of wisdom. I have a friend that was doing some streak or other, and he just left unfound caches in the area so he could go out the days he needed a cache, and not have to go far. I thought Mr Yuck always contributed to a positive forum community experience. He was a wealth of knowledge about geocaching and forum history. Sad day. I'd sure like to know why! +1 +2 Can a permanent ban ever be reversed?