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A couple of responses to fly46

 

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Once again, I did not think about the possibility of people from Nashville reading the cache page.

 

Have you ever been in the forums before? We refer to other caches around here all the time - not to mention how many Nashville cachers have been to your caches. Just FYI, TNLadybug, Little Ladybug and MrSimple have family in your area but live here in cacheville.

 

I do not read the forums. Look under my name to see how many post I have. Someone sent me an email telling me about this thread.

 

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I did not look for any cache more than 10 minutes

 

Gee! We have a winner! Now think about this statement for a minute. You're complaining about our caches but you didn't spend any time looking? That shows me that you didn't do much else other than the numbers run.

 

I did not spend any more than 10 minutes looking for a cache because I found them all in less than 10 minutes. NashvilleJoe took me to some he thought were harder and I found them them right off. A couple of them where the magnetic numbers (very cleaver but I spotted them in about a minute) and the fake railroad spike-the second place I looked. The one that took me 10 minutes to find was the peephole cache which I thought was very cleaver and lots of fun. Actually now that I think of it, there was one real little micro hanging on a fence in some alley a bunch of us from St. Louis did one night that took a little longer than 10 minutes of searching but the cops came up on us and we talked to her for a while.

 

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It was not intended to insult people from Nashville.

 

Then why did you name it after us?

 

Two reasons. One Nashville has lots of lame caches and is an example of the situation I do not want to see in St. Louis.

 

The second reason you should not read if you ever plan to do the cache. So do not read the rest of the message if you plan to do the cache.

 

The name of the cache and lots of the things I say in the cache are subtle hints. One of the micros is hidden in the decoy. So the not Nashville statements are hints since it is Nashville Decoys and if it is not in Nashville, it is in the decoy.

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Once again, I did not think about the possibility of people from Nashville reading the cache page. If I had, I likely would have been more careful in my wording. It was not intended as an insult to anyone and it was not directed at people in Nashville. It is in St. Louis and it was my statement to my fellow cachers in St. Louis about lame caches. I will edit the wording of the cache page.

 

I have spent hundreds of hours setting up and dealing with my 103 cache hides. I was careful on every one of them to give people a good enjoyable experience. I have provided over 3,000 cache finds and I get comment after comment thanking me for my caches. People make my caches their 50th, 100th, 500th, 1000th, 3000th all the time. Here is an example of one of my caches: Titus Hollow

 

I think having good quality caches is important. That is the point of my page. Easy does not have to equal lame. One or two lame caches by a newbie is one thing. But multiple people saturating an area with hundreds of lame caches instead of taking a little more time to find an interesting location or add a twist is another.

 

Some of Monkeybrad's comments deserve a response.

 

He said, "It would appear that this was purely a numbers run." I have never denied that I was wanting to get some numbers. The point of my cache was I do not want the St. Louis Area to be bombed with lame caches. Hey, I've done numbers runs before, but I have never had such an overwhelming percentage of lame caches. Easy does not have to equal lame. A couple of weeks ago, I did a "numbers run" tp Olney, IL. I got more than 75. Not one single one of them was a lame cache. They had fake rocks (they drive me crazy), decoys, hollow bricks, bird houses, fake craydad holes, horse turds, great hikes, neat areas, etc.

 

He said, "One he signed up to go on a numbers run with a local cacher. The wagon train runs were well-advertised as lots of light pole caches, no one ever implied that he would see 'the good stuff'." I do not recall being told it would be almost all lamppost, bushes in shopping centers, etc. The cache page states, "There will be "Wagon Train Cache "RUN"" on Sunday July 4th in several groups. For those coming for a numbers run this it: a high-speed, blurred tour of area caches with a minimum of 100 caches in less than 12 hours!"

 

I enjoyed the company of the people on the cache run. I appreciated being taken around. But it would have been much more fun if the caches were not so lame. A run of easy caches in nice locations would have been much more fun. The point of my cache is I do not want St. Louis to get bombed with hundreds of lame caches. I do easy caches in nice locations or with an interesting twist all the time. It is so much more fun to do a cache like that then lift a lamppost in a Walmart shopping center.

 

He stated, "I also base this assertion on the fact that on the other days he was in Nashville and the surrounding area he in many cases drove by an interesting or difficult cache in order to log yet another easy, cheesy micro. In some cases he was 550 feet from a difficult cache, but either chose not to hunt it or not to log the dnf." Without any specifics, this is hard to respond to. I do not recall ever being 550 from another cache and not checking it out. Anyway it is hard to tell what is an interesting or challenging cache when there are so many lame caches. When we went on the cache run, we were able to go to some unplanned ones since there were several of us hitting 1000 that day. Everyone I was taken too that was supposed to be hard I found in a coupe of minutes. I liked the magnetic numbers (I found in about 1 minute) that was creative and I have never seen that before. We were taken to a new one in some railroad ties. The fake spike was the second place I looked and was cleaver and well done. When I was out before and after the cache run, I was trying to find more interesting ones. But when the area is saturated with lame caches, that is hard to do. You seem to be trying to change the subject.

 

He states, "A careful review of the logged caches from the trip shows very few attempts at difficult caches. I did fid three attempts at apparently difficult caches. In one case he was the victim of a joke cache, so that can be forgiven. In the second case he was taken to it by the cache owner. In the third case he hunted for it for over half and hour before asking a local to show him where it was. On the last one he logged that he found it quickly." It is hard to respond to this when you do not name the caches. I did not look for any cache more than 10 minutes so I a really wonder what one you are talking about.

 

He states, "I am all for Myotis' right to say whatever he wants to, I will fight to defend that right. However, in this case I believe that his opinion is not well-formed and that he does not have the knowledge of the area in question to make such broad statements. I think that if you are going to make statements like this then you need to be able to back them up or at least do us the courtesy of telling the entire story." Like I have said, I never thought about someone from Nashville reading the cache page. If I had, I would have chosen different words. The cache is in St. Louis and it was my statement on my feelings about lame caches. You do not dispute my points that there are all kinds of lame caches in Nashville and easy does not have to equal lame. I have not deleted one single note on the cache page that has been critical and much more insulting than anything I have said. I am not stopping anyone from stating a counter view. Everyone else I know that has cached in Nashville got the same impression I did. One was stopped caching for a long time they were so upset with all the lame caches.

 

He also states, "it is also my belief that you meant it that way." And you are critical from me judging! If I wanted to insult them, I would have done it in my logs. You can believe what you want, but I did not think about people from Nashville reading it. The cache is in St. Louis and it is my statement pointing out what I do not like.

 

If one keeps quite about things, nothing will ever change. I chose to speak up to try to keep the kind of lame cache problem Nashville has out of St. Louis. I like the numbers, but some things are more important than numbers. A few days ago, I was caching in an area and after hiking in a ways, my GPS was pointing to some private property and there was nothing in the description about having permission to go on the land. If I only cared about numbers, I would have gone on the private land. But I turned back and pasted a note asking the cache owner to address the private property issue.

 

The issue is easy does not have to equal lame. If you have no problem with lame caches, why complain about me pointing out all the lame caches?

 

The cache was a light hearted effort to point out the problems of lame caches. It was not intended to insult people from Nashville. I never thought about the possibility of people from Nashville reading it.

 

But IMHO, you have a lame cache problem in Nashville.

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I do not normally read the forums. Someone pointed this out to me so I feel I should respond since my cache is the one in question.

 

When I set up the cache I did not think about people from Nashville reading it. It is in St. Louis and it is directed at people in St. Louis. It was not intended to insult people from Nashville. It was my statement to the people in the St. Louis area about lame caches.

 

Nashville would be a great place to cache if something was done about all the lame caches. There are so many of them it overwhelms you.

 

Contrary to SDuck's claims I never said all the caches were lame or all the cache placers were lame. SDuck's comparison to judging an area based on 2 caches and calling my comments bigotry are laughable. I spent four days there. It was not just the cache run. Everywhere I went I was overwhelmed by lame caches. One can do easy caches that are not lame. There are lots of great places where one could place a cache. Finding micro after micro in a lamppost or shopping center bush gets old real quick. I went out on my own and with others from the St. Louis area and all we ran into was lame cache after lame cache with very few exceptions.

 

When I went to Nashville, I was disgusted by the lame caches. Everyone else I was there with was saying the same things about the caches and there was even talk about saying how lame the caches were in the log entries. But no one did that. I did not even put in my Geowoodstock log how disgusting it was to see one of the leaders littering several times in front of all the cachers (even kids). Cigarette butts are litter.

 

Like many other people I did not like all the lame caches, but I did not say that in any of my log entries. Sduck and others on the other hand post notes on my cache saying you do not like it and it is in poor taste. What hypocrites! I think having so many lame caches is in poor taste too.

 

If you are proud of what Nashville has, then what is your problem with my cache? You should thank me for free publicity. But you admit, "there ARE too many lame micros here." So why don't you spend your energy doing something about that instead of telling people to shoot the messenger? One of your top lame cachers that you are so proud of told me she hoped my life would be short and then deleted some of my logs. What a great bunch you have down there!

 

I would also point out most of the lame caches were on private property. None of them said permission was obtained. I am betting it was not. I bet if the cache approvers made the caches placers get permission to place the caches on private property (shopping centers are private property) that would cut down on lots of the lame caches.

 

Hey it is great getting numbers. But there is more to it than numbers. One can make easy interesting caches. Caches do not have to be lame to be easy. So my advice to you is if you do not like my cache and what many others say about Nashville, put peer pressure on those who place lame caches to find more interesting locations than a bush or lamppost in a Walmart or shopping center.