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I can understand the disappointment of having a virtual denied by the admins. The problem here is that as currently described this doesn't really meet the guidelines. If the museum (building) is the cache then where is the GPS used in the search. I can look up the address of the museum in the phone book and drive there. You may try using an exhibit at the museum - maybe an old firetruck - where I would have to use my GPSr to find it. If everything in indoors, you may not be able to find something that works. I recently did a virtual that was at a Japanese garden in the San Fernando Valley. It was actually a virtual multi-cache where I had to find 3 different locations within the garden and answer a question about each of these locations. Another option would be to use an offset to a traditional cache near the museum. I would still have to go to the museum and locate some information there to get the coordinates of the traditional cache. Try working with the admin for suggestions on how to get the cache approved. Clearly, just because someone opened a museum or place an historical marker does not mean the location is a virtual cache. It needs "something" to turn it into a acceptable cache. Unfortunately, the guidelines are only an attemp at defining that "something" 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

The Arpy Team needs to read the forums. http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=91760637 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

You could go for a ride on your Vespa scooter. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by bigredmed: quote:Originally posted by Webfoot:Dang. I could have stuck my GPSr outside on the porch, gotten coordinates and gotten credit had that been a yellow one. Knock your self out... http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/thumb/50367_700.JPG http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nebraskache/ This is why locationless and virtuals should be banned. Anyone with Photoshop can fake a picture and take credit. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

Yeah. And Canada caused the blackout too! 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by tkalen: if there where more people involved in the approval process, this whole thing might have been avoided. I'm not sure that the problem is too few admins. Recently there have been a lot of new admins added. Seems like everyplace has its own regional admin. The more people doing the admin job, the more likely the guidelines are applied inconsistently, the more likely some admins can't take the heat and will act rashly, the more likely some caches get approved that shouldn't have been. Of course the sport has grown exponentially. More admins are needed just to get through the pile of new caches that gets submitted. And there is probably a need to have more guidelines to make sure that we have a mix of caches so that everyone can enjoy this sport. And to prevent the placement of caches that cause friction between geocachers and other groups. I feel Jeremy and others are trying to do there best to keep geocaching growing. I'm sure that they consider polls and comments in these forums in making decisions, but they have other things to consider in making these decision as well. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by pnew:I have to disagree with Jomarac5's last comment. I own a traditional ammo can cache placed at a very pleasant, virtually appealing location and if someone were to come along and carelessly add a virtual and get credit for placing a cache where my traditional is I think it would take away from my cache. Just my opinion... The only reason I can see that virtual would conflict with your traditional is the number of DNF logs I've seen on virtuals. "Looked everywhere for the cache. When I got home saw it was a virtual. Doh!". So I suppose someone looking for the virtual that he thought was a traditional might find your cache, sign the log book, and then log the virtual online. It would get really confusing if they took or left a TB. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

I vote to continue to treat virtuals just the way they are. I like virtuals, though most are really just "go someplace and read a plaque". Virtuals are also the only way to get a cache placed in a National Park or other area that bans physical caches. The current system discourages virtuals by making them meet ambiguous guidelines that are inconsistently applied. The current system allows just enough virtual caches to enable those who want to do virtuals to do them and encourages lame 1/1 physical caches instead to satisfy the people who insist they haven't found a cache unless there is a log to sign and McToys to trade. By the way I think Pnew's avatar is a man-eating GPSr 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

Was there a great first finders prize in this one? Say like $20. If not, then I think you're way too hung up on the numbers. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

When I log a virtual that asks for email, I send email to the owner and then log the find. If the owner had a problem with my answer, I would guess they would either respond to my email or delete my log. In my experience, slightly more than half of the owners do send a reply. Sometimes it takes several days for the owners to check their email and send a reply. I had one experience where I emailed the cache owner that I knew what the answer was before going to the cache. I shouldn't have volunteered this information as he then wanted additional verification that I had actually gone to the cache. Forturnately I had taken a picture from the cache location that I could send him to prove I was there : 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by seneca: It is a well known rule of negotiation, that when you are dealing with someone who has the absolute power to determine the outcome of an issue for or against you, the first thing you do is to completely submit to, and acknowledge his power without question. That simple acknowledgment will be far more persuasive than rational or vigorous argument. Your act of submission, actually gives the one in power more satisfaction to exercise his/her power in your favour than to exercise it against you. Funny how this applies to dealing with admins who deny your virtual caches as well. I was going to post the story of how lucky I was this weekend. I put down my GPSr to take some pictures at this cache. After exploring the area for a while I hiked back to my car and drove to the parking area for the next cache. When I got there I couldn't find my GPSr. I had to drive back to the first cache and hike 1.2 miles back to where I had put down my GPSr. It was right where I left it. I was going to write in my log about how it was unfair that this virtual was approved while the one I had just submitted was archived. But when I got home, I had email from the admin that my cache would be unarchived. I thought I was lucky, till I saw Team360's post. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?[/i

I voted that I post a DNF and leave it if I later find the cache. But it is a little more complicated than that. I only post a DNF if I got to the cache site and looked and couldn't find the cache. Even then if I know I will be back to search again I sometimes will not log a DNF. A DNF is a indication to the cache owner and other searchers that the cache may be missing. So I don't log unless I think the cache may be missing. I may still come back to search again. I will certainly come back and search again if either someone else finds the cache in the interim or if the owner emails me that cache is still there. Finally, there was the DNF I logged when I found what appeared to be a piece of the cache container (the lid of a TicTac box). The owner responded that I had indeed found the remains of her cache and told me that I could take credit for a find. So I changed the DNF log to a find. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by CuriousZ's:As a newbie, I've logged 6 caches, close to home. All were in spots I was familiar but havn't spent any time, was nice to see them. There was one behind a shopping center that was a little uninteresting, but still fun to find. A new cache was recently placed in the parking log of supermarket near my home. I went over and quickly found it. I thought it would have been a lot nicer if the cache had been placed in a little park a few blocks away. Still I manage to get the satisfaction of being the first to find. Since then, others have visited this cache. Most remarked that they found it worthwhile since the cache was hidden in a new or interesting way. I didn't think the hide was all that clever. I found it right away. But others did find it worth doing and some of them have a lot more finds than I have. There are as many reasons to enjoy geocaching as there are geocachers. Just because you found some cache less than worthwhile doesn't mean that someone else won't enjoy finding that cache 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by sept1c_tank: The log pages (and find totals) are only refreshed when a new log is submitted...You can see this happen by adding a _note_ _(not a find)_ to the cache in question. You can then delete the note. (Be aware that the cache owner or anyone watching the cache may receive an email with your comments in it.) Your find count should then be current. You don't even need to post a note. Just edit your log to update the page. Of course this adds a line to your log "Last Edited On ......" 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

I've done it both ways. One time I found the container trashed but all contents were still there. I signed the log put the container back, claimed a find, and reported what occured in my log with pictures of the trashed cache. Another time I only found what I thought might be a piece of the container. I logged it as a couldn't find with a description of what I had found. The cache owner wrote back to confirm that what I found was probably part of the container and that I should take credit for a find. So I change the couldn't find to a find. While cache owners aren't exactly happy to hear their cache has be trashed, they aren't likely to "shoot the messenger", rather they are glad that someone took the time to look for their cache. If your were able to make repairs and rehide the cache I'm sure the owner will be more than happy to let you claim a find. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

My PQs are 1. All caches with terrain 3 or greater within 50 miles. Corona Kid may remember his thread on why no one does caches with more difficult terrain. I should change the distance to about 60 or 70 miles so Corona Kid's cache will show up . 2. All caches that I have found that have been found within the last 7 days. This way I can check on what other people have to say about these caches without having to add every cache to my watch list. I would really like this to be all caches for which I have logged either a found or could not find which have any log (found, not found, or note) within the last seven days. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

Yep. It is that simple. Just remember that when you get more than 60 minutes, subtract 60.000 from the minutes and add one to the degrees. Good Luck with finding the Spanish Treasure (I assume that this is the cache you are looking for). 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look? [This message was edited by tozainamboku on July 30, 2003 at 02:55 PM.]

quote:Originally posted by Pobre Rico: quote:Originally posted by Mark 42: BTW, I haven't seen this question in the FAQ (tough I may have missed or not encountered it yet): If a waypoint is given as N AA° AA.xyz & W AA° AA.xyz, how far off (in feet or meters) will a person be for every value error of y & z In other words, if it xyz are 435, but I'm at xyz values 436 or 445, how far away am I from the waypoint's correct location. A change in y or z depends on if you're talking latitude or longitude. Theoretically, for latitude, a change of one in y would be 60'9" and a difference of one in z would be 6'1". But, the Earth isn't perfectly round, so it changes depending how far from the 45th parellel you are. A change of one in the z could be anywhere from 6'1/2" to 6'1-1/2". Longitude is a whole different story. At the equator a change of one in y would again be about 60'9" and the same change in z would be 6'1". But, as you approach the poles the meridians get closer together. By the time you reach the pole all the meridians smack into each other and any change in y or z makes no difference at all! At least, I think all that is correct. Any REAL experts out there care to confirm or deny? Markwell's FAQ has a good explaination and this table that gives the number of feet per thousandths of a minute of longitude at different latitudes. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?[/i

quote:Originally posted by BrianSnat:The UID concept is pretty exciting. It has many interesting applications, but I agree with Criminal. WTFDTHTDWG? I got it. A multi/puzzle cache where you find some items that the DoD purchases. Then you plug the UIDs of this items into a formula that gives you the final location of the cache. [] 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

It seems to me given the accuracy of GPS that pantalaimon is not asking anymore that a normal webcam cache. The user still needs to figure out where to stand once getting to the listed coordinates in order to get a good picture. I would guess that if you just stood where your GPSr shows ground zero there's a good chance you won't be in the picture. I've never done a webcam cache, but I would look at the website before I went seaching for the cache to see where I need to stand as well as to get an idea of how often the webcam updates to have some idea how long I need to stand there 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by David Stein:Maybe I should explain more... My app allows the user to create locations that are the continuing stages of a multicache - basically, just a (linked) list of locations. My app also allows the user to filter the map and location lists, so the user can see only locations meeting certain criteria. I'd like to allow them to choose to display only the first cache in a multicache, or both the first one and all following ones. The problem, of course, is that I need some kind of name for all of the following caches... I'm currently using the term "multicache sub", as in sub-part, but I'm not really happy with that. Any ideas? David Stein, Esq. Looks like you came up with a good term above. Continuing Stages could refer to all the stages of a multi after the first stage. Other terms would be Final Stage for the final location in a multi and the all important Penultimate Stage for the stage just before the Final Stage. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

My first Markwell. In that thread OUTSID4EVR said quote:I have begun to write detailed re-hiding instructions on the inner cover of the physical logbook, so it would be possible to rehide the cache exactly as I intend each time. I also usually write something on the online cache description. This has reduced the problem. Let's educate the newbies, and remind the slob cachers. I think putting a comment on the cache page that says to rehide per the instructions in the log book will be the best way to let people know that the owner wants the cache hidden a certain way 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

I usually type ° to get a degree sign. It works on most browsers. By the way Alt-0176 is a degree sign. Alt-0186 is the Spanish masculine oridinal - usually a small letter o with a underscore but in many fonts it looks identical to a degree. See Confusion between degree sign and masucline ordinal. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

toybox - Despite what Desert_Warrior says I still think your original question was legitimate. You didn't ask for the coordinates, only some clarification as to how to do the math. Desert_Warrior's original reply is one used almost automatically when a newbie is having trouble with a cache and post a question here. It is, in general, good advice. Do some easy caches first. Get an idea about what is involved in hunting a cache. Work your way up to more difficult caches. However, some people may be more interested in trying a puzzle cache or looking in a more difficult terrain to start. They like doing puzzles and want more mental challenge than a 1/1 or are already experienced hikers and want more physical challenge. My first cache was a 3/3.5 and I had no problem with it. Right after doing it I hiked to a nearby 2/2.5 cache and couldn't find it. I logged a Couldn't Find but said it was probably due to my being a newbie. Three or four weeks and 8 or 9 cache later I went back and found the 2/2.5 with no problem. Welcome to Geocaching and good luck finding your first cache. 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?

quote:Originally posted by Marky: Man, that place is a dayworker's hangout. I just drove by there last week. When did it get so bad? When the dot com bubble burst? 東西南北 Why do I always find it in the last place I look?