Where And When

[+Goodearth team]

I dont want to stir the pot but I have been away from this site for a while because I was getting some bad feelings about some things I see going on in Caching.

1st. Cemetaries? I just cannot believe that this can be a legitimate area to cache? what do you think. I respect the living and the DEAD! I dont tromp on gravesites!

2nd. Cache contents...I was encouraging my brother to get involved in caching and taking his son along....when I hear about some of the cached items I am really wondering if it is ok?Condoms?? What kind of classless person would do this?

3rd. Private Property......I still respect it! call me uptight but I cant image going on to property where I dont have permission.....I guess that is why I limit my caching to state parks and similar properties.

[+RockyRaab]

I've found two cemetery caches now, and I thought one of them was okay and the other not. Here's why: the acceptable one used the markings on a headstone as the clues to the second stage of a multi-cache. Nothing hidden, nothing disturbed, and I learned interesting facts about a family - which honored their memory.

 

The unacceptable one actually hid the cache in a tree within the cemetery. In the process of the usual "circling" procedure, it was inevitable that I walked on some graves with no cause. I viewed that as crass and base. I regretted it immediately. That cache didn't belong there.

 

Those are my opinions. Anyone is free to agree or not as they see fit.

[+Codswallop]

I dont want to stir the pot but I have been away from this site for a while because I was getting some bad feelings about some things I see going on in Caching.

1st. Cemetaries? I just cannot believe that this can be a legitimate area to cache? what do you think. I respect the living and the DEAD! I dont tromp on gravesites!

2nd. Cache contents...I was encouraging my brother to get involved in caching and taking his son along....when I hear about some of the cached items I am really wondering if it is ok?Condoms?? What kind of classless person would do this?

3rd. Private Property......I still respect it! call me uptight but I cant image going on to property where I dont have permission.....I guess that is why I limit my caching to state parks and similar properties.

But since you are stirring the pot...

 

Stepping on graves? I respect the express wishes of the grave owner. If the occupant objects, walk around. Seriously, what in the world is wrong with stepping on a grave? In many old cemeteries, the placement of the stones bears no relationship to the location of the body--or whatever might be left of it. If you visit an 18th centruy cemetery, you can't help walking on a grave, because they used every available bit of space, and then they reused them! The dead are dead. There's no one there anymore. We're not talking about vandalism, just geocaching, which in any case should never include any activity that would be disrespectful to anyone's memory. But if no one goes into a cemetery, who's going to remember?

 

Re: Condoms--I agree 100%. No class. Why do some people have to drag sexuality into every last corner of public life? But isn't this covered in the guidlines for what should go in a cache? On the other hand, I may not have very many finds to my credit yet, but I have seen very few inappropriate items offerred for trade. Not saying it doesn't happen--I just haven't seen it.

 

Re: Private property--again, I agree 100%. However, as far as I know, there have been no recent rule changes allowing placement of caches on private property without the owner's consent. There are undoubtedly some offenders out there, but this seems like a non-issue for the larger caching community.

 

Did I just say, "Community?" I hate that word.

[+Greymane]

The only cemetary cache I have done was on the border of the cemetary (an old abandoned site in the middle of the woods) and clearly stated that you did not need to search the headstones to find it. It is a nice little place with about two dozen graves and is about 150 years old. I have been in this area many times and didn't know about the graveyard.

 

The items in the caches can be a topic of concern as well. I have not seen things like condoms in any caches I have found yet. The worst thing I usually see is old wrappers or junk.

 

I look at it this way, there are a lot of hunters out there that break the law and are not ethical. That does not mean that I am going to stop hunting. I work to help enforce the laws / rules and make the sport better. That same mentality applies here. If you say "I am quitting because some of the people are not nice", the only people left are the "not nice" people. That does nothing good for game.

 

Another way to look at it is, at one time, people who rode Harley Davidson motorcycles had a certain reputation. My father rides a Harley. He is not a gang member. He is not a wreckless daredevil. He is a respectful and kind man who enjoys riding a motorcycle.

 

The more we do to reenforce the positive aspects of the game, the more the "not nice" people will not want to be a part of it. Peer pressure goes a long way (even for adults).

[+sbell111]

I have no problems with cemetary caches. I don't see how a micro in a tree is disrespectful. I also don't see an issue with walking on a grave as long as the grass is healthy. Obviously, I wouldn't wander about through a fresh grave.

 

How is walking on a grave disrespectful? If one makes a rubbing of a marker is this disrespectful? Chances are, the person was 'on the grave' at the time.

 

I can just see our forefathers now...

 

'Look! There are people in the cemetary.'

 

'I hope they don't step on a place where I didn't die, where I no longer am, and where my body has long since deteriorated.'

 

I don't think so. It is much more likely that they will say...

 

'Look! There are people in the cemetary.'

 

'Looks like fun.'

[Jeremy]

I plan to get cremated when I kick it. The biggest reason (other than wasting good real estate) is that I would rather not be put in a (literal) position where everyone has to be silent and solemn in my presence. That would get real old quick. It'd be like eternity trapped in the resource section of a library. Yuk.

[+wimseyguy]

I dont want to stir the pot but I have been away from this site for a while because I was getting some bad feelings about some things I see going on in Caching. 

1st. Cemetaries?  I just cannot believe that this can be a legitimate area to cache? what do you think. I respect the living and the DEAD! I dont tromp on gravesites!

2nd. Cache contents...I was encouraging my brother to get involved in caching and taking his son along....when I hear about some of the cached items I am really wondering if it is ok?Condoms?? What kind of classless person would do this?

3rd. Private Property......I still respect it! call me uptight but I cant image going on to property where I dont have permission.....I guess that is why I limit my caching to state parks and similar properties.

Then put away your spoon and stop stirring. As Greymayne already pointed, why not be an example setter, instead of a dropout?

1.I have found over dozen cemetery caches so far. All have caused me to reflect on those who are no longer living with us. I tread through each one with respect, as opposed to your so called tromping. I suspect anyone who enters a cemetery can make that same choice, geocacher or not.

2. I have found a lot of caches. I can honestly say that I have found inappropriate contents in perhaps 3-4. I have never seen drugs, condoms, or weapons left in a cache container. Once I saw some small caliber ammo, we traded for it; several times I have found small pocket knives, i trade for them too. Besides, would anyone really be dumb enough to use any health care product found in a cache?

I understand that some caches get found by non-cachers, who may leave inappropriate deposits behind; shoudl we condemn all non-cachers for the behavior of a few idiots?

3. I have found caches in all kinds of locations, but mostly in public access territory. One the rare occasion that there were clearly posted No Tresspassing signs I took appropriate actions without making a fuss about it.

If caching is fun for you, get out and go find some, if it isn't put your spoon away.

BTW-in many European countries, and even on parts of this one, it is perfectly acceptable to enjoy a picnic in the graveyard, after visiting the resting place of loved ones. Is that any different than looking for cache? and finally guess what-State Parks are off limits for caching in NC! Go figure.

 

PS although it isn't all about the numbers, they do provide some measure of a cacher's level of activity. So I just gotta ask, with only ten finds over fifteen months, and two this year; just where are you getting your info about the behavior of geocachers; The Beaufort Gazette?

Edited April 15, 2005 by wimseyguy

[Golden_Spike]

Jeremy - If you ever change your mind and decide to get buried you oughta have a special compartment in your headstone that opens up and has a cache in it! We all just hope that one doesnt get placed for a long, long time.

 

I have done a few cemetary chaches, and would do them again, but sometimes i do get a wierd feeling when doing them. None of the ones i have done have been disrespectful to the dead.

 

As far as condoms in caches go i dunno who would trust one they found in a cache, but maybe its a good opprotunity to bring up the topic of safe sex with your kids or something.

 

The caches around me all seem to respect private property, or note that they have the owners permission.

[+Renegade Knight]

I dont want to stir the pot but I have been away from this site for a while because I was getting some bad feelings about some things I see going on in Caching.

1st. Cemetaries? I just cannot believe that this can be a legitimate area to cache? what do you think. I respect the living and the DEAD! I dont tromp on gravesites!

2nd. Cache contents...I was encouraging my brother to get involved in caching and taking his son along....when I hear about some of the cached items I am really wondering if it is ok?Condoms?? What kind of classless person would do this?

3rd. Private Property......I still respect it! call me uptight but I cant image going on to property where I dont have permission.....I guess that is why I limit my caching to state parks and similar properties.

1) Don't tromp on grave sites. This isn't rocket science. Some people do enjoy visting gravesites, especially old ones. It's reality. If people enjoy going there so could cachers.

 

2) If you see something you don't like in a cache remove it or trade it out. This isn't rocket science. Some non geocahers think it's funny to do jokes like leaving an empthy pack of cigarretes. Remove them. It's ok.

 

3) Private property. If general public access is allowed then the spot is probably ok for a geocache. This isn't rocket science. If you are not comfortable going there, then don't. It's ok to not go to a spot. Heck you can even post a note to that effect on the cache so other people know.

 

Did you really have to ask the question or were you trolling?

[+Morgan's Marauders]

....that I would rather not be put in a (literal) position where everyone has to be silent and solemn in my presence. That would get real old quick. It'd be like eternity trapped in the resource section of a library. Yuk.

Ha!! That's just too funny!

 

With the advent of the internet and "research" on it, many reference books aren't touched for years.

 

There even appears to be a layer of dust on some of them... Oh wait, is that dust or ????

 

MM

[+Marcie/Eric]

There's an entire series of Pioneer Cemetary caches near me. I haven't gotten to them yet, but I plan to. I visit every pioneer cemetary I see, and I love those old gravestones. The whole thing here is knowing how to treat the cemetary with respect, while enjoying it. Don't trample the grass and florals, play on the breakables, or pee in the bird bath. Pretty simple. Anyone over 3 should know and respect these rules EVERYWHERE. Not just the public cemetaries

Edited April 15, 2005 by Marcie/Eric

[+thumperness]

My step father used to have a family buisness, they own and operated a funeral home. He was a mortition. He spent a lot of his life is a cematary. Then he became a priest. So I guess you could say he marry's them and burries them Later he married my mother and took on 2 young children. We went to cemataries a lot and yes, ran all over graves and that was fine. We were taught to celabrate life and the lives of thoes who have moved on. And by the way, we are ALL going to die.

[+Ambrosia]

Nowadays, a lot of cemetaries are having the tombstones flat to the ground, buried. In some of the cemetaries in my town, that's mostly what they have. There is no pathway, only grass in between these stones. I have no clue which way the bodies are lying underneath the ground, it is impossible.

 

I agree. When we die, we are dead. How is it considered respectful not to walk above a dead person? What do they care? I think this is from the old superstition about walking over a grave, that has morphed into a pc thing.

[+zcubed]

When I die you can stuff me and cram a cache in my mouth! What do I care, I will be dead. Funerals and graveyards are for the living. I think caches are fine for cemetaries.

 

I haven't found anything like what you list in a cache. I would remove it if I did. I'm sure it is bound to happen ever once and a while. Big deal.

 

I respect private property and wouldn't go there without permission. If there was a cache placed against guidlines I would report it.

 

Life is too short, go find some caches.

 

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Edited April 15, 2005 by zcubed

[Dr123d]

So, if you shouldn't step on graves what are the guys that cut the grass suposed to do , Jump alot?

[cacheman22]

2) If you see something you don't like in a cache remove it or trade it out.  This isn't rocket science.  Some non geocahers think it's funny to do jokes like leaving an empthy pack of cigarretes.  Remove them.  It's ok.

 

Actually, in my opinion, if you see something in a cache you don't like, it's NOT alright to just remove it.

Edited April 15, 2005 by cacheman22

[+RockyRaab]

I know that when you are dead you are dead and you don't know if someone walks on your grave. But there's a certain sense of respect involved. Whether you believe or not, cemeteries are consecrated places. The people who DO believe place great stock in that, and they care about the places where their loved ones rest.

 

If you don't think so, just try prancing about on any grave at Arlington. Try that Unknown guy's tomb. Please. The guard there who protects and honors my fallen brother (whoever he is) will happily stick his bayonet up your attitude. And then he'll get really nasty.

 

I'm sorry if I seem peevish. But there are such things as respect and decorum. If some of you can't see that or understand it, more's the pity.

[+briansnat]

1st. Cemetaries? I just cannot believe that this can be a legitimate area to cache? what do you think. I respect the living and the DEAD! I dont tromp on gravesites!

 

When I was a kid my friend lived across the street from a cemetery. He and his neighbors would play football, Frizbee and baseball in there. When I first met him I was horrified at his "they don't care" attitude. Eventually I came to realize that if I were buried there I'd love for it to be a playground and haven't had a problem with it since.

 

Historically, cemeteries have been places of recreation. The idea that they're "sacred places", suitable only for mourning is a recent one.

 

Anyway, what better way is there to honor the dead then to visit their graves? Who cares if its a geocache that brought you there?

 

PS, though you respect the dead, your government will dig them up in a NY minute if they want to put a highway through.

 

2nd. Cache contents...I was encouraging my brother to get involved in caching and taking his son along....when I hear about some of the cached items I am really wondering if it is ok?Condoms?? What kind of classless person would do this?

 

300+ finds and I've yet to encounter condoms or anything similar. Where are you hearing this bilge? Not that comdoms would be all that horrific. A responsible parent will check out the cache before he gives it to his kid.

 

3rd. Private Property......I still respect it! call me uptight but I cant image going on to property where I dont have permission.....I guess that is why I limit my caching to state parks and similar properties.

 

Have you entered a "should be archived" log for all the caches you've encountered on private property? Have you actually encountered a cache on private property?

 

Your entire post doesn't ring true with me. There is something behind it. You say you don't want to stir the pot, but that was your obvious intention.

[+carleenp]

I dont want to stir the pot but I have been away from this site for a while because I was getting some bad feelings about some things I see going on in Caching.

1st. Cemetaries? I just cannot believe that this can be a legitimate area to cache? what do you think. I respect the living and the DEAD! I dont tromp on gravesites!

2nd. Cache contents...I was encouraging my brother to get involved in caching and taking his son along....when I hear about some of the cached items I am really wondering if it is ok?Condoms?? What kind of classless person would do this?

3rd. Private Property......I still respect it! call me uptight but I cant image going on to property where I dont have permission.....I guess that is why I limit my caching to state parks and similar properties.

(1) Cemetaries: The cemetary caches I have seen were not at grave sites and were generally near the border of the area. I have also done a few nice ones that asked for information from historical grave sites to figure out the coordinates for a cache in a nearby park. One of these was in a cemetary that featured historical walks and gave out maps at their office to certain grave sites. There is also one near me that is placed with the permission of the cemetary and starts at a sundial near the entrance and ends in a park like wetlands area that has no grave sites. All seemed fine to me and I am not aware of any problems from them.

 

(2) I have rarely come across inappropriate items in a cache. I think once I found a bullet and another time a ciggarette. I trashed those out each time. I know of one incident where a non-cacher found a cache and left a peice of pornography in it. Fortunately such things seem to be pretty rare. I think that when inappropriate things are left, the next cacher will often remove the offending items.

 

(3) Caches should not be placed on private property without permission. I have not run into many problems with this either.

[+Renegade Knight]

...Actually, in my opinion, if you see something in a cache you don't like, it's NOT alright to just remove it. If you want to trade for it with something of equal or greater value then that is fine. I left a sealed can of a very unusual food product in a cache I recently placed. I was hoping that finders would enjoy the "What the heck is that?" factor of the can. The first cacher took the can and left nothing in return except a note in the log book that food items should not be placed in a cache. ...

Given the original example was a condom and mine was an empty cigarette pack I don't think I was going out on a limb. In all honesty I would of taken your can of food and not even bothered wiht a note. Food is also a bad idea. Of course I took the liberty of assuming common sence, which if everyone had it we would not have food, condoms, and empty cigarette packs in caches.

 

I also take out reciepts, expired cupons, melted candles and other items that are doing the cache a favor. The first finder did the right thing with your cache. I tip my hat to them, and you should thank them for the note because now you know.

[+carleenp]

...Actually, in my opinion, if you see something in a cache you don't like, it's NOT alright to just remove it. If you want to trade for it with something of equal or greater value then that is fine. I left a sealed can of a very unusual food product in a cache I recently placed. I was hoping that finders would enjoy the "What the heck is that?" factor of the can. The first cacher took the can and left nothing in return except a note in the log book that food items should not be placed in a cache. ...

Given the original example was a condom and mine was an empty cigarette pack I don't think I was going out on a limb. In all honesty I would of taken your can of food and not even bothered wiht a note. Food is also a bad idea. Of course I took the liberty of assuming common sence, which if everyone had it we would not have food, condoms, and empty cigarette packs in caches.

 

I also take out reciepts, expired cupons, melted candles and other items that are doing the cache a favor. The first finder did the right thing with your cache. I tip my hat to them, and you should thank them for the note because now you know.

For what it is worth, I think I did trade for the bullet and the cigarrette. But if I owned a cache and a person took such a thing out without trading, I wouldn't care.

[+salpal]

I took a baggie with 2 joint 'roaches', a lighter and an empty gum pack (guess they didn't want their parents to smell the pot on their breath) from a cache the other day and didn't have anything to trade. I didn't feel bad, because the stuff just didn't belong. The kids who had smoked these (one was the size of a cigar) wrote in the log, using the 'f' word. Since other legitimate cachers had also written on the page, I left it and emailed the owner. Some things just don't have to be traded.

 

edit: sp.

Edited April 15, 2005 by salpal

[+briansnat]

I took a baggie with 2 joint 'roaches', a lighter and an empty gum pack (guess they didn't want their parents to smell the pot on their breath) from a cache the other day and didn't have anything to trade. I didn't feel bad, because the stuff just didn't belong. The kids who had smoked these (one was the size of a cigar) wrote in the log, using the 'f' word. Since other legitimate cachers had also written on the page, I left it and emailed the owner. Some things just don't have to be traded.

 

edit: sp.

That sounds like something left behind by an accidental finder. I can't imagine a geocacher doing that

[+Greymane]

I took a baggie with 2 joint 'roaches', a lighter and an empty gum pack (guess they didn't want their parents to smell the pot on their breath) from a cache the other day and didn't have anything to trade.

You got two roaches and a lighter and left NOTHING? Doesn't sound fair to me. You should have at least left a dime bag.

 

Ok, all kidding aside. If it doesn't belong in the cache and someone takes it out without trading for it, I don't see the problem. There has been a lot of talk lately about policing ourselves. This is important for the healthy growth of the game. If you don't agree with what someone did to your cache, at least take comfort in the fact that they are "trying" to do the right thing.

[+knitter]

How would you feel about visiting a grave if the occupant had ASKED you to bring a bottle of wine to the grave to toast him annually? We bring the wine, we sit on the grass on top of him, we toast his memory and pour a glass of wine on the grass, and we don't feel guilty or abashed at all. It's his grave, and he wanted it this way. The idea of a grave being sacrosanct doesn't work for everyone.

[cexshun]

My first job ever was at a cemetery(I was 15 years old).

 

Let me tell you, there is nothing a cacher can do that us groundkeepers were not doing on a daily basis. The grass had to be mowed, so each grave was not only walked on, but a mower pushed over them. Those in the larger fields were driven over by a monsterous tractor mower. After the mowing, we had to walk on each grave and weed-wack around the headstone.

 

After all ther tromping we had to do in order to keep the place in top condition, it amazes me that people have some phobia about walking on a grave.

 

Condoms: a very very bad idea. Not only is it not appropriate, but can anyone really take these for use? Who in their right mind who even take the chance the the integrity of these devices has been compromised? Temperature, improper handling, vandalism(i.e holes poked). Just a mindless put, in my opinion.

 

Private property: I see this come up a lot lately. The only thing I can think of is that all of the great public places to put a cache is taken. So, hiders are placing them in other places that they assume are public property. We're finding out that many of those are actually on private property. I think it's a far stretch to hint that this is either encouraged by the community or is common place. With all the caches and all the hiding spots, it's inevidable that some mistakes will be made. All we can do is remove them with our humblest apologees.

 

Jeremy, you should split your ashes up into small vials and have someone make TBs out of them. That way, you'll still be traveling and cache long after you're body has passed on.

Edited April 15, 2005 by cexshun

[+StarBrand]

If you don't think so, just try prancing about on any grave at Arlington. Try that Unknown guy's tomb. Please. The guard there who protects and honors my fallen brother (whoever he is) will happily stick his bayonet up your attitude. And then he'll get really nasty.

Oh please.....

 

Lets not talk Apples vs Oranges here. The tomb of the unknown is a sacared place for this country because of what it represents to us not because of who is there. Invalid comparison.

 

I can show a great deal of respect by visiting and learning the stories and historical value of those that came before. Stepping on grass is not and should not be considered trampling the dead. As previously pointed out, the dead are beyond caring.

 

As for bad, rude and other inappropriate trade items. Remove them and leave something better - easy fix.

 

As for Private Property, if permission is granted for visitors than I will visit - otherwise I will stay off - easy fix.

[+carleenp]

I took a baggie with 2 joint 'roaches', a lighter and an empty gum pack (guess they didn't want their parents to smell the pot on their breath) from a cache the other day and didn't have anything to trade.  I didn't feel bad, because the stuff just didn't belong.  The kids who had smoked these (one was the size of a cigar) wrote in the log, using the 'f' word.  Since other legitimate cachers had also written on the page, I left it and emailed the owner.  Some things just don't have to be traded.

 

edit: sp.

That sounds like something left behind by an accidental finder. I can't imagine a geocacher doing that

I think most instances of inappropriate items left in caches are from accidental finders. I know that the cigarette I found was. They left a log stating that they found the cache when getting out of a sudden rain storm and that they left the cigarrette.

 

In many instances the inappropriate item would have gotten left somewhere whether there was a cache there or not. For example, I once found a stash of porn in a cemetry while looking for a cache. It was clearly some kid's hidden stash and had nothing to do with the cache (I was looking in the wrong place so the cache wasn't even close to it). This was a large cemetary with an office, so I took it there and turned it in. If it had been smaller and had no office I would have just thrown it out or something. Either way, it is an example of where a cacher can find and take care of something that is not even related to the cache being sought.

Edited April 15, 2005 by carleenp

[+sTeamTraen]

I think I'm the person who mentioned finding the condom. It was in Germany. People are a bit more relaxed about that sort of thing over here (I'm in France but Germany is just 2km from my office).

 

I appreciate that it would be inappropriate in the US. (It's "fairly" inappropriate here, but nobody's going to be genuinely offended...)

 

Likewise the little bottles of schnapps or "Underberg"-style liqueurs, or the occasional floppy with a mildly pornographic video game. My biggest objection to the latter was that it was clearly very old (CGA graphics compatible! And the girl's hairdo...), so it was more geo-junk in that way too.

 

Incidentally, in Germany, there are cigarette vending machines in the street. Anyone over about 4ft tall can buy cigarettes 24/7. There may be a law against it under a certain age, but you don't see many cops staking out the machines. And there are condom vending machines in most toilets (this may also be the case in the US, although I don't know if they're also in every highway stop restroom), and you can buy the kind of pornography that makes you in every gas station.

[+Runaround]

Nearly every cemetery cache I've seen has been OK. Usually they are in a planting or a shrub, not on the actual graves. There was one exception that is actually attached to a crypt. I thought that one was disrespectful although others have found it and not expressed a concern and the cache is still active.

 

Private property caches can be a real problem. Send a note to the cache hider if you have a concern. If that doesn't work out, let your approver know. KA archived one around here after a couple of different cachers posted DNF's and included pictures of the No Trespassing signs.

[+Goodearth team]

NO I wasnt just trolling just currious to see where the good guys were and I found alot of them.

[+briansnat]

NO I wasnt just trolling just currious to see where the good guys were and I found alot of them.

I think you will find that most of us are the good guys. The "bad guys" are in the overwhelming minority. No matter what sport, or activity you are involved in there are always the bad guys. Geocaching is no different. My experience here has been that they are very rare.

[+drat19]

Here are the listings and logs for my 2 cemetery cache hides. Note the "disclaimer" verbiage I've included in each cache description.

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...&log=y&decrypt=

 

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...&log=y&decrypt=

 

Not only have I never received one negative comment about these caches, nor does anyone seem to act disrespectfully, but they have been very WELL received by visitors/searchers.

 

It's true that some folks do not prefer cemetery caches for religious or other personal reasons. My opinion is that as long as cache hiders clearly state in their cache descriptions that the cache is a cemetery cache, searchers are free to skip them as they see fit.

 

-Dave R. in Biloxi

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

After having been away From Geocaching for almost a year I was surprised to come back and see that my club (geocaching) has changed for the worse and has started to become exclusive from some members. It seems that when you become a for profit enterprise new rules are slammed on the members and exclusivisity becomes the standard. After having been out of the country for awhile I come back to find that:

 

1. No posting of one time caches

2. No posting without a logbook

3. Cant post a cache within .10 miles from another cache

4. Cant post a vacation cache

 

what has happened to Geocaching????

 

I have posted many one time caches in the past and these are what are contained in my caches (and you can look for yourself as they have been archived)

 

8 gold coins, numerous silver coins, old paper money (a 1930's $2.00 bill) silver jewelry from my travels in south america etc etc.

 

While on vacation in mexico and jamaica I hid two .999 silver coins a Mexican one Onza (ounce) coin in Mexico and a one ounce silver Murcury dime replica in Jamaica only to have my Geocache rejected on the above stated grounds.

 

Why the rule change? I am a person with expendable income and I enjoy leaving treasure for those to find. My caches require no digging, trogging and are eco friendly. I think there should be a special designation for people like myself who enjoy watching the hunt for real treasure? Why exclude me now? Would you like to hunt for a 1904 solid gold 5 Ruble Russian coin. Ask the person who found it.

 

Check out my Archived caches:

 

Treasure

Saint Croix Treasure

Helvetia

and in the members section:

Czar

Czar II

Euro cache

 

My name is ringbone

 

thanks for reading

[+team_malaglot]

I agree with the cemetary thing. Not because i have some belief that caching in a cemetary is disrespectful or anything like that but for two other reasons. Very often but not always, cemetaries are on private property and as such, if we aren't there to visit a loved one who PAID to be interred there, we would be tresspassing. A geocacher wouldn't have legal right to be there unless of course permission was obtained from the property manager or caretaker or whatever. And there is of course the fact that we would be wandering around for apparently no reason (in the eyes of the casual observer) and might very well upset someone who has a loved one there. Now if all geocachers were discrete and polite I would say have at it. But not everyone is discrete and polite and it might be better to avoid places like that especially since there is a lot of really clever places for some great caches if only you get creative. You don't need much space for a good micro!

[+Team Snoopy]

It's interesting to see so many caches have been placed in cemetaries. Today we went to find a new cache..irionically it had "treat" in it's title? Sure it was a ncie little cemetary which was very hidden, but not so much a treat to find. They give me the creeps a bit. Anyway we went to do it and the lawn keepers were there mowing, so we decided to try it another day.

 

The funny things was earlier on a hunt, the kids and I were talking and cemetaries came up and we said that no caches were hid in cemetaries, that was illegal...and then the next cache we go to find is in one, oops, mom and dad were wrong! I would have never thought of hiding on in there...not that's it really wrong or illegal...as long as they have permission. But just seems kinda creepy to me.

 

BTW...which way are people buried? In MI, my grandparents had their caskets behind the headstone and in NY my husband's grandparents are buried in front of the headstones.

[+tls11823]

...maybe its a good opprotunity to bring up the topic of safe sex with your kids...

I don't believe in sex - safe or otherwise - with my kids.

 

Sorry - Professor Semantics pops up sometimes.