+briansnat Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) Second of all if this bill were to pass, which I doubt at this point, it will never be enforced by any law enforcement agency. There are simply too many rapes, murders, drugs for the police to waste their time on a "crime" that has no victim. Regardless of this, GC.COM and other responsible listing sites will not list caches that are illegal. The law will have its desired effect whether or not it is enforced. Alot of you would be angry if someone trampled all over your mother or fathers grave, or tipped over the tombstone just so they could find a cache and a little 2 dollar trinket! Just because one makes a mistake all should pay, because that's the way things work Unfortunately there may be some that are perceived to be unethical or disrespectful amongst us. I'm not naive enough to believe that there are no bad apples among geocachers, but Ms. Ceips and her supporters have not come up with one instance of "mistakes" or unlawful, disrespectful or unethical behavior by geocachers in SC. They obviously have spent the past few months turning over every stone to come up with examples of bad behavior, yet the worst they could come up with is a guy standing next to a headstone with a GPS and describing it as "the money shot". Publc or private though, out of respect for the dead I don't think caches should be hidden on ANY cemetery. Near or on the egde, but not in. Cemeteries are for visiting loved ones long gone, not finding trinkets left there by someone else. Those graves aren't just land or monuments, those are peoples loved ones... Your perception of cemeteries is a common one, but not the only one. Historically, they were a place for family outings and picnics. The concept that are solemn places, reserved only for mourning is fairly recent. Even today cemeteries are used by joggers, bird watchers, geneologists, photographers, historians, walkers, curiosity seekers, artists, nature lovers and many others. Some still even have picnic tables. I see no reason that respectful geocachers can't be among the users. Of course caches shouldn't be placed on or near graves and if mourners are present geocachers should come back another day. But there are dozens of legitmate uses of cemeteries beyond mourning and I don't believe geocaching should be singled out. From a personal standpoint, when my time comes the best monument to me would be people having fun on the ground above me. Edited May 11, 2005 by briansnat Link to comment
RandLD Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) My biggest complaint is this -- the legislation is both unnecessary and unfair. As has been stated several times, there are already laws on the books that cover both trespassing and vandalism. There are laws specific to cemeteries (even including damage done to fences, plants, trees, etc. in addition to damage done to gravestones) and laws protecting historic and archaeological places. If this law is truly about protecting these sites from vandalism, then that is already covered under existing laws, and no other law is necessary. This law also singles out geocachers, who have a history of protecting the environment and helping raise awareness of historical places. Maybe one or two have gone too far, but they're the exception. If you want to ban any sort of activity that might possibly cause damage to one of these places, where do you stop? Do you ban teachers from bringing classes on field trips, ban joggers, ban bird watchers, ban the general public from these places, because they are just as guilty as we are. (I apologize if this sounds a little harsh -- I didn't mean for it to.) Edit: Session has started. We're on Page #9. Edited May 11, 2005 by RandLD Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Did Ceips every record herself being there? Can you speak on a bill if you did not mark yourself at present at the beginning of the session that day? Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I'm not sure about SC's rules, but I don't think that you have to be present at the beginning of the session. Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 How can you guys tell who is signed in? Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 At the very beginning of each meeting they call for role call and then leave the cameria positioned on the big board Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I thought that was it, hard to read the board. Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Does SC have a cock fighting problem? Seriously, I didn't know people still do that, and often enough to warrent increased legislation. Any SCers with insight? Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Yeah we do...somewhere.....but remember this is not not where the not is put in and put out...lol he made a rhyme.... Link to comment
RandLD Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Did Ceips every record herself being there? Can you speak on a bill if you did not mark yourself at present at the beginning of the session that day? Can anyone read the board -- Is she there now? Link to comment
+LadeBear68 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Yes, it appears she is there. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) she is Edited May 11, 2005 by geoholic28 Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 LOL - you can gamble away your rent at a casino but you can't geocache!! Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Among other things..... Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I like this rep. She's a smarta**. That was a funny exchange there. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 B-I-N-G-O was his name O Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) **burp** oops that was powerball from last week Altamn said "It (meaning gambling) gives us indegestion" just to explain my powerball quote. Edited May 11, 2005 by geoholic28 Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 "I want to ban gambling, it's terrible!" rapraprap goes the gavel "Bet ya 8-5 Mr Speaker they don't get quiet!" Gotta love these guys! Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 LMAO I love this old guy. I never thought I'd laugh out loud at a legislative debate. Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Gambling cruise : The Holy Economic Development argument - "Who cares if it destroys our society, we're making money!" Link to comment
+HalnJen Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) **burp** oops that was powerball from last week LOL Edited May 11, 2005 by HalnJen Link to comment
+SGM & MRS D Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I don't have the video feed. Are they discussing 3777? Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Nope. They're trying to grant County Government the power to ban mobile riverboat gambling. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Way things are going I think lunch might be next Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Any one who is looking for the video feed here is the LINK Link to comment
+SGM & MRS D Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 It is such a big problem here. Especially in the upstate counties where the rivers are an average of 3 to 6' deep unless they are in flood stage. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 It is such a big problem here. Especially in the upstate counties where the rivers are an average of 3 to 6' deep unless they are in flood stage. so that was the big boat behind the peace center.....DOH Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 no comment about the kiss comment Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 LMAO "No way. You show me that and I'll kiss you here in front of everyone." Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I hope they air the kiss! This is too funny. At least we can get some humor before they get to us. Link to comment
+SGM & MRS D Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 We've got a 17' Grumman and have not considered opening a casino on it. We have had a lot of good times in it though! Thanks for the link, but it don't help. I'm on dial up. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 **MEOW*** are they going to settle this with a cock fight and gamble on it?? Link to comment
+Tyrithe Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Good question geoholic... Yipe. Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I hope this speaker is on our side. He is a trip. Link to comment
Paulcet Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Wish I could watch the video. Looks like I'm missing a great show! Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 You need the link for the feed so you can? Link to comment
+Tyrithe Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I'd definitely admit he's making a gamble on what the other side would do... Link to comment
+carleenp Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I assume someone is capturing the feed and will post a link later of just the 3777 portion like was done last time???? I found that very helpful last time. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 oh wait...yeah....we are all so amusued at the casion bill right now.... Link to comment
+Tyrithe Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 That'd be a state shooting itself in the foot... Although I do like her attitude... Wonder how much longer they can beat the same horse? Link to comment
+Mad Cat Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I bet yall some money this wont be heard today, they'll break for lunch after this bill. Link to comment
+Tyrithe Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I'd hope this one is on our side... Link to comment
cexshun Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Interesting. This guy is debating that she's trying to ban everything fun from SC and she's trying to legislate morality. Sounds like the geocaching bill, doesn't it? Link to comment
magellan315 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Beat me to it. Hope this guy is on our side. Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I bet yall some money this wont be heard today, they'll break for lunch after this bill. It will be heard just not sure when cause yesterday he said he wants to get through the entire calender today even if they have to come back this afternoon Link to comment
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