What If Owners Couldn't Delete Logs?

[+WalruZ]

I finally gave up on page 2 of the latest rant about Virtuals.

 

quote from BigRedMed -

Lets start seriously working on some meaningful cache rating system or some local control system so we can avoid imbalance of types and we can counsel lame cache hiders to start hiding better ones.

 

Frankly, Groundspeak logs have the same problem that eBay feedback does. It's very rare that people use them to speak their minds. If I complain about an eBay transaction it's pretty likely that my own reputation will be sullied in response. If I visit a crappy cache and leave an honest cache log it's pretty likely that it will be deleted outright.

 

Suppose you had to ask your local approver (god bless his/her poor harried soul) to delete cache logs for you? Active cachers might be more forthcoming and things might change.

[+CO Admin]

not really, all it will do is shift the anger from the owner to the reviewer. The reviewers have enough to do at the moment. Thanks but no thanks.

Edited February 14, 2005 by CO Admin

[+Pork King]

Use a sock puppet!

[+TeamK-9]

I think that if they implimented this policy, they'd need to recruit almost twice as many new reviewers.

[+briansnat]

If I visit a crappy cache and leave an honest cache log it's pretty likely that it will be deleted outright.

 

I beg to differ. I'm not saying that critical logs are never deleted, because I know they sometimes are. But I think in most cases they are left intact. I've seen plenty of them.

[+GRANPA ALEX]

Besides the matter of creating detrimental &undesirable 'control & rules' in our game (covered in other threads) . . . the logs are not the place to chastise an owner or change a behavior that YOU may find unsavory.

 

The best place for this is via email, in a warm & friendly way that encourages owner's continued participation in hiding and mediation of his ideas to your point of view. It has & continues to work very well, we still do not need rules.

[+Jamie Z]

I feel that I am somewhat outspoken when it comes to critical logs. Sometimes I wish I weren't so frank, but it's how I see the world. I make an effort not to say purely negative things, but if I see an issue that the owner may or may not know about, I don't hesitate about bringing it up in my log, or on rare occasion with an email.

 

This post gives an indication of the types of things I've written in my logs. Of course keep in mind that all of these snippets are also often accompanied by positive comments.

 

As yet, I've never had a log deleted. I had one encrypted by the owner, but then it was unencrypted more than a year later without any prompting.

 

I've had a couple of owners email me and disagree with my assessment. None were what I'd consider rude to me, merely stating their case, and sometimes they convince me.

 

I recall one time when a subsequent finder posted in *his* log that the conditions were not as I described, and cautioned others, "don't listen to that last guy."

 

The biggest response I get (aside from no response at all) is an email saying something like:

• I've been meaning to correct that issue, or
  
• Thanks for letting me know about the issue
  

Usually however, I never hear a word, and often the issue I mentioned is then echoed by several more finders. The issue is never resolved. I've gotten the impression that either many cache owners simply don't care or pay attention, or maybe they ignore my suggestions out of spite or other reason.

 

Hmmm. I just read the OP. It seems that WZ is talking more about cache quality, rather than simple maintenance. Although I've address the "lame cache" issue in a handful of my logs, most of my critical comments regard things like private property, damaged container, misrated ratings, incorrect cache type or size.

 

Anyway, my whole point is that I find a majority of cachers to be unresponsive to critical logs, but most of the handful who do respond seem to be appreciative of the attention.

 

Jamie

Edited February 15, 2005 by Jamie Z

[+Camo-crazed]

If I visit a crappy cache and leave an honest cache log it's pretty likely that it will be deleted outright.

 

I beg to differ. I'm not saying that critical logs are never deleted, because I know they sometimes are. But I think in most cases they are left intact. I've seen plenty of them.

for example here is a cache log

on one of my caches, while I don't think it is a very bad log, I have considered deleting it and refrained from doing so

[CoyoteRed]

Suppose you had to ask your local approver (god bless his/her poor harried soul) to delete cache logs for you? Active cachers might be more forthcoming and things might change.

I've often thought about this very issue.

 

You need a mechanism for deleting bogus finds. If it's a way to turn a "find" into "note" then that might work.

 

You also need a way to remove spoilers. I don't like the only avenue the owner has is beg the logger or simply delete the log which most likely is a find. I'd advocate the removal from view of the text of the log leaving the rest intact. It removes the offending spoiler while maintaining the logger's find.

 

I've also thought about two fields in the logging process. One that works just like it does now, but the other is for the cache owner's eyes only. Verification text and private messages can then happen at the same time as the logging process.

 

Unlike what some people would like, I think the logging process is more than a way to increment your count, but a way to leave feedback to the owner and your fellow cachers. If you have a problem with the cache you should be able to let your opinions be known.

[+Jamie Z]

You also need a way to remove spoilers. I don't like the only avenue the owner has is beg the logger or simply delete the log which most likely is a find.

I wish there were a good solution to this, too.

 

I recently had my first experience with a finder posting a slight spoiler in her log. I emailed her and pleasantly asked her to change two words in her log. A day went by, no change. So I encrypted her log. Still two more days. No change.

 

At what point should I just delete it? I don't want to delete a legitimate find, but if it contains information I don't want public, I have no other option.

 

Jamie

[+HIPS-meister]

I tend to just leave logs alone. If someone wants to claim a find that s/he didn't make, then who's to lose except that individual? I'm certainly not going to go out to the cache, write down the names that are in it, and "grade their work." This is supposed to be entertainment.

[+JohnnyVegas]

You also need a way to remove spoilers.  I don't like the only avenue the owner has is beg the logger or simply delete the log which most likely is a find.

I wish there were a good solution to this, too.

 

I recently had my first experience with a finder posting a slight spoiler in her log. I emailed her and pleasantly asked her to change two words in her log. A day went by, no change. So I encrypted her log. Still two more days. No change.

 

At what point should I just delete it? I don't want to delete a legitimate find, but if it contains information I don't want public, I have no other option.

 

Jamie

Delete it. I have no problem deleting logs with spoilers.

I have a cache that requires a search of two cemtaries to get the information to find a cache of mine, The second grave is that of a very famous person in the history of the american west. On this headstone there is information needed to find the cache, I had a cacher not only post the name of this person, but also photos of all the stages of the cache that contained all the information needed to find the cache. I sent an e-mail and deleted the entry as soon as I saw it. I got a very nasty e-mail from the person who's log I deleted complaining about my deleting there entry after all the workl they had put into posting it. gee waht about all the work I put into setting up the cache. And no, this person was not a noob.

[+Jamie Z]

Delete it.

This person is a newbie, so I was extra-hesitant to delete the log.

 

As it turns out, the log was edited yesterday, so I unencrypted it. I suspect the cacher is not happy with me though. Even after I emailed her and thanked her for removing the spoiler I haven't gotten a reply, and her edited log is now just one line long.

 

I didn't mean to make her mad...

 

Jamie

[+sbell111]

...I didn't mean to make her mad...

I wonder how many emails she received from readers of this thread?