+splicingdan Posted November 23, 2004 Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 So my question is:Since there seems to be agreement that there is cache saturation around Northern New Jersey how do we remedy that? (and asking Brian to archive all of his isn't an option!!! biggrin.gif ) Any ideas? Natural selection. An ill-conceived cache will run its course much quicker than a well executed one. Quote Link to comment
+BMSquared Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 So my question is:Since there seems to be agreement that there is cache saturation around Northern New Jersey how do we remedy that? (and asking Brian to archive all of his isn't an option!!! ) Any ideas? Create series caches that utilize urban parks to their maximum capacity, then when we run out of room in the park, make the last in the series double back on itself? Use a cacher to attract excessive police attention to caches in the vicinity of homeland security targets, thereby allowing the police to decide which caches to detonate...I mean remove? Redefine the meaning of saturated? Quote Link to comment
+Team Perrito Blanco Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Harriman State Park - 52,000 acres - about 110 caches = 472 acres per cache 472 Acres equals 0.7375 Square miles Saturation? I don't know, that seems like a lot of land per cache. I guess this depends on how you define saturation. i.e. What would you say is the distance from a trail that a normal cache is hidden? 100 feet maybe? Let's just say 100 feet. Harriman has 200± miles of marked trails. Now, 200 miles x 5280 feet = 1,056,00 feet of marked trails. So, this times a 200 foot swath (that's our arbitrary 100 feet-from-trail number) and you get 211,200,000 square feet. That divided by 43,560 (an acre) and you get 4,848 acres. Divide that by 110 (caches in the park) and you get 44. 44 acres per cache. Doesn't sound like much to me. Now of course some of the caches may be along unmarked trails and all, but I'll leave this information open to comment. No flaming please! I'm not trying to be critical. Only trying to help in analysis. Quote Link to comment
+Quoddy Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 There are many caches in both Harriman, and the Hudson Highlands in general, that can't be quantified in that way. The hikes in are long and tough to get to a cache. That's what makes the area SO satisfying to cache in. I'm planning a trip to the Highlands soon, not to go for a lot of caches, but to just enjoy the terrain and the views. Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 not to go for a lot of caches, but to just enjoy the terrain and the views LIAR! We all know you are going for as many smilie's as possible!!! Anything, in the Hudson Highlands and I would be game Quote Link to comment
+Quoddy Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 I wouldn't want to conflict with TRL's event, so I'm considering the 5th right now. When I make it more definite, I'll start another thread. I'm looking primarily at the Fishkill Ridge area right now. Yes, I know it's a long way up there, especially for me. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Funny, I came upon this two year old thread complaining about cache saturation in NJ. Quote Link to comment
Find Now, Log Later? Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 I find it ironic that the caches placed by the fellow that started that thread were subsequently abandoned and are now, for the most part, quite literally "saturated." Unfortunately, scenarios similar to that one appear to be the norm rather than the exception. Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Not sure we need another cache in Brookdale: HERE Most of these suburban parks should have one at the most... and before SplicingDan and BM2 go spouting off about the cache Missions... 1-5 are all in DIFFERENT PARKS!!! But since the two of you have done them I might as well archive the lot. Quote Link to comment
+splicingdan Posted November 25, 2004 Author Share Posted November 25, 2004 Most of these suburban parks should have one at the most... and before SplicingDan and BM2 go spouting off about the cache Missions... 1-5 are all in DIFFERENT PARKS!!! Hehe. Actually, I think that you utilized those parks quite well. There's not much worthwhile to see in them so a traditional cache would be a waste. However, a puzzle cache/series does not need the scenery to be fun. Quote Link to comment
+HartClimbs Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Oh Skully - now you've done it. "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice". Quote Link to comment
+Team DEMP Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Hiked 10.5 miles today to log 7 caches in a loop in Harriman. Harriman is one of my favorite places to hike so I hope caches keep showing up there as I'm getting down to the last few. Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Wow Dave! That's so cool. I just walked 1.5 miles and logged 7 caches in California! People think we have it bad in Northern NJ. Try Rochester, NY Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hmmm... gotta love driving around and scooping up every 1.5 / 1.5 cache in the area. Are there any new puzzles or epic caches out there? Quote Link to comment
+Team Bam Bam Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hmmm... gotta love driving around and scooping up every 1.5 / 1.5 cache in the area. Are there any new puzzles or epic caches out there? Have you completed GeoKender's Scrat's Stash 1 and Scrat's Stash II? I'm not sure about epic but they are challenging and will give you more of a run for your money than your typical 1.5/1.5 in north jersey. They both use the Saddle River County Park system. Quote Link to comment
+GeoKender Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hmmm... gotta love driving around and scooping up every 1.5 / 1.5 cache in the area. Are there any new puzzles or epic caches out there? Have you completed GeoKender's Scrat's Stash 1 and Scrat's Stash II? I'm not sure about epic but they are challenging and will give you more of a run for your money than your typical 1.5/1.5 in north jersey. They both use the Saddle River County Park system. Thanks for the plug! (how much did we agree to?) Quote Link to comment
+Packanack Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) Avroair:I placed a cache yesterday in Wayne , awaiting approval that is offset from There Was a Babbling Brook, both are Suburban Park PuzzlesThere was a Babbling Brook, Thus far only a few good cachers have visited Babbling Brook and none of them have done it in one shot. They do the first stage and then have to go home and study the maps, to figure out how to get to stage 2. Oh, I know they would say differently, but that is my take. I think there are about 10 more of this type of park in this town alone. So I think looking for hidden parks may be a factor, to keep it interesting. I frequently only have a 2 hour window or a lunch hour to "go for a walk". I am sure others fall into same category. Edited March 28, 2005 by Packanack Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) Because I am holding the other Little Green Alien Dogtags are coming to me in the mail. Have you completed GeoKender's Scrat's Stash 1 and Scrat's Stash II Nope, but I've walked thru the entire park system to do Bergen County Parks. Wish I still had a bike. Look for the 10762th cache to be placed in NJ soon. Edit: removed unnecessary verbage. Edited March 28, 2005 by avroair Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) Hmmm... gotta love driving around and scooping up every 1.5 / 1.5 cache in the area. Are there any new puzzles or epic caches out there? I don't see any Avroair logs for: Return to Rocky Mtn. The Ironman Hasenclever Iron Centurion Osio Rock Ramble Terrace Pond Wildcat Ridge ManEater Pinwheel Vista Middle a' Nowhere Graffiti Rock Ramble Davidson Cache Windbeam's Windfall Lake Sonoma GC5 While not new and not necessarily "epic" caches, all are a far cry from the run of the mill 1.5/1.5s. Edited March 28, 2005 by briansnat Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 (edited) They are mostly 30-35 miles from my house. So I guess you could call them epic... I don't have a permit for most of these. I don't see any Avroair logs Edit: I don't log my finds anymore, I just touch them with a stick. Edited March 28, 2005 by avroair Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 They are mostly 30-35 miles from my house. So I guess you could call them epic... I don't have a permit for most of these. I don't see any Avroair logs Edit: I don't log my finds anymore, I just touch them with a stick. Only Middle a' Nowhere requires a permit (easy enough to get). Quote Link to comment
+Tiffany's Slaves Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 They are mostly 30-35 miles from my house. So I guess you could call them epic... I don't have a permit for most of these. I don't see any Avroair logs Edit: I don't log my finds anymore, I just touch them with a stick. Only Middle a' Nowhere requires a permit (easy enough to get). Graffitti Rock ramble requires a fairly lengthy hike considering there are no pubs along the way! Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 They are mostly 30-35 miles from my house. So I guess you could call them epic... Hmm... That hasn't stopped us from finding, or working on a lot of Avroair's caches. From Bryant Park Micro to Verona Park (oops, that one was muggled before I searched for it.) Save April 10th for the Dolphin-Bear Team to finally eradicate Five Star New York from our list!!!!! Come visit beautiful NWNJ! Terrace Pond is a spectacular place (and a rather nice cache). (Okay, I'm particularly fond of that one because it's just off the trail that I maintain, oh, and because it was my first find.) The Dolphin-Bear Team also has two very nice caches in the NWCDC (you would either need a permit, or go with someone who has one.) (Though you could probably fake Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? Since almost all of the hike (and the parking) is in Farny State Park. Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotteburg is definitely NWCDC. Andy Bear and I would be delighted to accompany you (After we log Five Star New York!!) Heck, we were in Queens, and Ward's Island this weekend caching. What's mileage? Quote Link to comment
+Team Rampant Lion Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hmmm... gotta love driving around and scooping up every 1.5 / 1.5 cache in the area. Are there any new puzzles or epic caches out there? These are new and "epic". And you'll need the 40 minute drive to recover.. EPIC - Frustration EPIC- Serenity EPIC - Altitude EPIC - Reputation Quote Link to comment
+Packanack Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) love driving around and scooping up every 1.5 / 1.5 cache in the area] Which leads to the question, does anyone have a list of caches like that. The easiest ones to do. Veterans Point, I had to walk 10 feet, I think I will go t the rest area on the Parkway and find that one, might have to walk 10 feet, Preferably ones where you don't even have to leave the car, like Rt. 23 Art Gallery. Hey its all part of the game. Edited March 30, 2005 by Packanack Quote Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Saturation is too may cars while looking for a parking spot in Manhattan. I don't understand how you can call anything cache saturation when you have to hike a while to get there, not be able to see it and then have to spend what 10-20 minutes searching before actually finding it. Hmmm. Actually that does sound a lot like looking for a parking spot in Manhattan. As far as inactive caches or those you wnt to get rid of but don't want to hike to get it out of there: Put a note on your cache page and incite the next cacher to find it, take your container and be the last finder. Then archive it. Quote Link to comment
+headmj Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Just come to Southwest NY! Allegany State Park - 65000 acres/ 8 caches = 8125 acres per cache!! Quote Link to comment
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