Temper Tantrums

October 20, 2004

My partner always hogs the gps leaving me with the printout of the cache details. Last Sunday he threw the GPS in a hedge whilst in a rage because he got fed up with me asking questions!! and doubting his ability to know which direction he was walking! I ended up laughing which made matters worse. Any Advice Joan

24.7k · October 20, 2004

While he's futzing around with the GPS looking for ground zero, take advantage of the extra time to spot the cache first. That should help his mood. Then when he's tired of you always 'hogging all the finds' explain your method. He might then pawn the GPS off on you.

October 20, 2004

Buy yourself your own GPS and see who can find the cache first!!!

1.9k · October 20, 2004

Though it doesn't stop the temper tantrums and the throwing of toys out of the pram on occasions, I used feminine logic. I started finding bargain GPS's on the internet, and kept pointing out what a bargain they were and how much more they could do than the Legend, eventually he took the hint and bought himself an all singing all dancing model, leaving me with the trusty etrex legend. It helps a lot toward peaceful caching adventures. You follow your arrow, but be careful not to find too many before him. Let him bag a few and carry the caching sheets after you have memorised them before you set out.

Joan

:lol: :lol:

Edited October 20, 2004 by Cave Troll & Joan

1.2k · October 20, 2004

I can't see the issue - he's a man, there is a gadget - it's obvious he will have to be the one that gets the electronics and he will clearly be very upset if the gadget lets him down every now and then. This is because it is ingrained that he will be the hunter and in modern society he has few opportunities to show you how safe it is to be his companion.

It s a delicate situation to solve, but...

To stop this happening, the best bet is to buy him a new shinier GPSr, possibly a Vista C and you use the old clunky B & W one. You will have the satisfaction of finding caches first, if it was user error, or alternatively, you will be able to appreciate the difficulty that he has been undergoing on your behalf and retrospectively demonstrate sympathy by massaging his feet after each caching adventure.

Hope that helps.

EDIT - while I typed that Joan and Leoness replied, agreeing with me fully!!

Edited October 20, 2004 by Kitty Hawk

1.3k · October 20, 2004

I have to agree with all the other females responding to this question. Newer and better for him usually does the trick...However, till Christmas arrives and you have an excuse for getting him the new one, Do the map bit. I always print out the maps for the area and take them with me so I also have something to work with. Not any good with puzzle or multi caches but for regular ones it does help. Also reading the clue in advance so that you are one up can come in handy. I do have to agree with the others though and you must let him find one occassionally.

The other option is to go out on your own while he is at work or play.

Lynn

1.9k · October 20, 2004

I accidently on purpose left the pc on an internet page of the wonderful Garmin60CS and Joan took the bait in persuading me to buy one

October 20, 2004

A gps is no good without the cache sheet.

If you plot the cache on "memorymap" before setting out you maybe able to walk straight to it without a gps.

Now that's really going anoy him!

But the shiny new upgrade would float my boat.

October 20, 2004

Speaking as a man .... anyone who threw a tantrum like that doesn't deserve a new toy... more like a boot up the backside to bring him to his senses

You ladies are way too ready to accept male dominance as a right of passage...it may have been true a long time ago when physical strength was an important factor in survival....but nowadays....intellect and education are more important ... which puts males and females on a very even footing in my own humble male opinion

Ullium.

Edited October 20, 2004 by Ullium

2.6k · October 20, 2004

My advice: keep laughing at him. Eventually, his spleen will explode. Then you get the GPS and a new partner.

October 20, 2004

what on earth were you doing out there ? are you trying to say that all the dishes were washed and the washing / ironing was done ...and the hoovering !!!! what about the hoovering ?

:lol: :lol:

2.9k · October 20, 2004

Mark (me) got so good at spotting caches the GPS was confiscated. I now hog the palm and its precious (my precious) hint page. As for Lynn she falls through trees following the arrow. Just keep asking how many feet does it say? which way is the arrow pointing?. Mind that tree!

1.2k · October 20, 2004

Huh!! I'm too good at this.

You ladies are way too ready to accept male dominance as a right of passage...it may have been true a long time ago when physical strength was an important factor in survival....but nowadays....intellect and education are more important ... which puts males and females on a very even footing in my own humble male opinion

- If I'm included in the ladies/females category, then fair enough, but the wife would disagree. I have however perfected the art of getting more and more expensive and upgraded gadgets and presume that this is the aim of all men.

Any man can buy a new gadget, however there is more too it than this. It is a success is the man gets a new gadget without grief from his partner. If the partner can be pursuaded to buy the gadget for the man it is a triumph, but it is truly magnificent if the man can create a circumstance where the woman buys the new gadget for the man in an effort to prove a point.

This last level requires cunning and intellectual superiority to manipulate the female psyche to enable the end result to be the one intended while at the same time allowing the female to percieve that she controlled the situation. It may take some time to create these circumstances and may involve a degree of acting (tantrums etc).

This may be what Joan has witnessed and judging by the suggestions by the female correspondants, spottydog has done a commendable job and I wish him the best of luck.

Edit - Joan - ignore Auntie Weasel and Leoness, it's admirable that they should think in this logical fashion but you have to think what will give you the most satisfaction.

Edited October 20, 2004 by Kitty Hawk

October 20, 2004

- If I'm included in the ladies/females category, then fair enough, but the wife would disagree.

:lol: No no....I wasn't including you among the ladies Kitty Hawk

I just get so down in the mouth with the 'us' and 'them' attitude that both males and females exhibit....and although most of it is cleverly disquised it as just good humour....when really we are all too ready to jump on any excuse to score points off each other!

We males have had the whip hand for so long we are reluctant to accept gracefully that women are more than just the person who looks after the kids, cleans the house, gets the messages and more or less dances to our every whim....well maybe that last bit is a bridge too far :lol:

Ullium.

1.2k · October 20, 2004

For the regular stuff we are equal, even more than equal, but this is about gadgets and they are far more important.

So I do all the ironing, I do change nappies, clear up sick (cat and baby), cook & I know how to work the washing machine better than her. I'm the one that looks after the kids when they are off ill, or the teachers have a surprise day off.

However, gadgets do seem to have a male/female demarkation, certainly in our house, and I do like to have gadgets. As I say above, I have adopted feminine cunning to maximise my ownership of gadgets. You should see my automatic card shuffler!!

However, to further demonstrate my acceptance of the changing demographics we had a house party recently and me and a mate were discussing the best kitchen knives (we both like Global) and the best Frying pans (I prefer Woll, he liked Berndes).

It's funny though, she never washes the car or cooks a barbeque and the only time she mowed the lawn she mowed the power lead (deliberately?). As I say, more than equal.

Completely agree with you that intellect and education are both more equal these days.

Her IQ 147, mine 152

Shes got 2 A level and 8 O'levels, I've got 1 & 11.

We earn about the same but hers is all basic, I need bonuses to catch up.

October 20, 2004

How I envy modern young men like yourself Kitty Hawk....I admit I have to struggle to do most of the things you can do about the house standing on your ear

I was brought up in an era where the men of the house (and the male children) were never asked to do anything except put their feet up and read the paper or whatever....as a result I can't cook...I know only one setting on the washing machine that I can count on....I'm still not quite certain which setting on the tumble dryer gets it to stop shrinking everything I put into it....I hate ironing and not very good at it anyway....however on the plus side (I think) my wife and I have never had two cross words in all the years we've been married!

I do my best though and Angela knows that...even if I am an old fossil

Ullium.

October 20, 2004

Some call them "pink jobs" (for her) and "blue jobs" (for him) and yes, I did say BLUE!

In our house, if a job needs doing and you're capable of doing it... then do it!

Hubby goes out to work and earns the money whilst I stay at home and look after the house, the garden and the car. I can wire a 13 amp plug, change a spark plug and a tyre and operate a petrol lawn mower.

I don't even mind hubby leaving the toilet seat up as I consider it just as inconvenient (excuse the pun) for him if I leave it down as it is for me if he leaves it up! :lol:

By the time I've got all that done on a Monday, I have the rest of the week free to go out caching!!!

...and when it comes to gadgets... we each have a mobile phone and a GPS and a computer and when it comes to IQ... we both did the Mensa test and I got 2 more points than he did!

October 20, 2004

When it comes to “mensa tests” I am too intelligent to waste my time doing them.

Searching for lunchbox’s is far more important. LOL

October 20, 2004

Just leave her home with the kids, and a pile of ironing on a sunday afternoon...

3.8k · October 21, 2004

So I do all the ironing, ............. clear up sick (cat ......), cook & I know how to work the washing machine...........

Me too..... but out of necessity........... my wife ran off with the gypsies 8 months after I discovered geocaching

1.2k · October 21, 2004

When it comes to “mensa tests” I am too intelligent to waste my time doing them

Agree with the principle, but I can't resist a competition.

Don't get me wrong - when we bought our 1st house we agreed everything would be 50:50. Within a month we'd hired a cleaner to come round for 2 or 3 hours a week, cleaning is not my forte.

That takes the pressure off a lot - even when we've been skint, we've always kept a cleaner, it's by far the best £25pw we spend.

If you take cleaning out of the equation, ironing 5 shirts a week is no hassle - top tip Ullium - iron the shoulders first.

Cooking the odd meal - theres a difference between cooking and knocking up an evening meal - evening meals are very easy using the premade sauces that all the supermarkets sell, and usually they will have a recipe suggestion on the packet. Give it a go.

October 21, 2004

Cooking the odd meal - theres a difference between cooking and knocking up an evening meal - evening meals are very easy using the premade sauces that all the supermarkets sell, and usually they will have a recipe suggestion on the packet. Give it a go.

I don't so much cook food Kitty Hawk as incinerate it

In the past I have given myself food poisoning no less than three times because I either didn't defrost properly or (and this was the worst) used cooking fat in the chip pan which had gone off! So now I over cook everything as a result

Oh and thanks for the ironing tip....but can I tell you I spent a whole afternoon once ironing smooth a seersucker table cloth....my wife was suitably impressed

So although I still endeavour to improve my house work skills (as the tables are now reversed in that my good lady works and I keep house) I'm afraid all the women in my family treat me as a lost cause

I get comments like 'what did dinosaur meat taste like auld yin?' ... no respect for grey hairs these young uns

Ullium.

October 21, 2004

The general opinion is that men love gadgets! Mmmm! I suppose he's only doing a-what comes naturally and............... thinking about it, I am more than happy to "allow" him to set the video, the alarm clock on the radio (very awkward that one). So it follows that he wants the newest gadget all to himself. The poor man (his name is Dave) has never found a cache before me Whenever we get close I see it almost immediately because it is so obviously hidden! I try to let him find it by giving him vague "clues" but he never cottoned on, so after 10 minutes of circum-navigating the "carefully" disguised lunch box, i give up and tell him I've found it!! He sulks even more then!! I really think we need one each, but I know for sure that I will always get there first because I'm better than him!

ps He is a chef by profession and he loves cooking for me, so life isn't that bad!

1.2k · October 21, 2004

So although I still endeavour to improve my house work skills (as the tables are now reversed in that my good lady works and I keep house) I'm afraid all the women in my family treat me as a lost cause

If you managed to negotiate that, then you have my full respect, I've been trying to figure out how I could manage it and shortest plan I've got will take me 29 years

Sympathise with the cooking experience - I can do lots, but I can't do scrambled egg and I avoid any recipe that starts with "First make a roux" and you are right about frozen stuff - I never use it - its a lottery.

The wife won't let us have a deep fat fryer, but I remember one from my parents house - oil can go off can it - that explains alot.

Oops- we're off topic - I recommend you buy him a new GPS and those tantrums will stop

October 21, 2004

Speaking as a man .... anyone who threw a tantrum like that doesn't deserve a new toy... more like a boot up the backside to bring him to his senses

I agree! Not only does he not deserve gadgets but he doesn't deserve a wife. I hope the hedge was Hawthorn or similar and you got a laugh watching him trying to recover the GPSr.

Why don't you have a secret affair - create your own Geocaching identity and go out caching on your own. Then you will already know where some of them are when you go out together... just sit back and watch him struggle.

October 21, 2004

It appears to be programmed from a very early age - try taking anything away from my 2 year old boy!

October 21, 2004

It appears to be programmed from a very early age - try taking anything away from my 2 year old boy!

You've hit the nail right plumb on the head there kitmonster

But it is not just male children who are programmed in certain attitudes...it also applies to female children as well....that is we parents are all guilty of treating both sexes of our children in entirely, if subtle, different ways...in that we buy wee girls dolls and prams while purchasing guns and construction toys for the boys!

Also, (and this is changing thank goodness) wee girls are more than encouraged to take part in the housework...whereas we boys are allowed to go out and play!

As I commented ... these attitudes are changing....but it is a slow process and although the examples I quoted are miles too obvious....the more subtle ones aren't and they are just as damaging!

Ullium.

October 22, 2004

that is we parents are all guilty of treating both sexes of our children in entirely, if subtle, different ways

Whilst I absolutely agree with you there Ullium we have a had the experience of bringing-up twins, one of each sex, which has proved enlightening.

We have tried to treat them exactly the same and seeing my 5 year-old son walking off to school dressed as a pink fairy does bring a smile to the face!

However, for the most part, and in spite of our conscious attempts to be equal with each, Sally likes dollies, the toy kitchen and pretend housework, whereas Nicholas loves lego, football and trains.

I don't really know why this is so; they're too young for peer-pressure to be an issue. Either we are unconsciously treating them differently or perhaps the kids have gone into mummy/daddy role-model mode. Maybe these things are to a degree pre-programmed.

[edit - speling (which is another thing women are better at!!)]

Edited October 22, 2004 by Snosrap

October 22, 2004

We have tried to treat them exactly the same and seeing my 5 year-old son walking off to school dressed as a pink fairy does bring a smile to the face!

However, for the most part, and in spite of our conscious attempts to be equal with each, Sally likes dollies, the toy kitchen and pretend housework, whereas Nicholas loves lego, football and trains.

I've emailed you Snosrap on that very subject which you may or may not find interesting :lol:

I just thought this was not the best platform to discuss a subject such as child psychology or how our minds (as opposed to brains) work :lol:

Ullium.

1k · October 22, 2004

An old piece of doggerel springs to mind.....

John's in the garden playing goodies and baddies,

Janet's in the nursery, playing Mummies and Daddies,

Mummy's in the kitchen washing and wiping,

Daddy's in the study, stereotyping................ :lol:

I can't remember what the topic was but I think we may have got off it :lol: :huh: :lol:

October 22, 2004

The wife won't let us have a deep fat fryer, but I remember one from my parents house - oil can go off can it - that explains alot.

A while ago, when visiting mum's house, I found a hardly-used, simple, cheap, deep-fat-fryer in the loft.... she let me take it.

On arriving home, I was greeted with "why do we need THAT, we have a pan with fat in it....."

Its interesting that Debbie's attitude changed after using it a few times, discovering that it was ACTUALLY easier to use, and made chips that were cooked properly without being burnt!

Roux sauce? that's EASY... just start with some butter and melt it on a gentle heat in a small saucepan......... (ah, so THAT's why it's called a saucepan!!).....

Hmmm.... coming back on topic... I wonder if anyone has ever used a deep fat fryer as a cache container? :lol:

Paul

October 22, 2004

I'M NOT MOODY!! OK? :lol:

Actually....tickle my tummy and i'm as happy as Larry!! :lol:

Edited October 23, 2004 by 1100f

1.2k · October 23, 2004

Its interesting that Debbie's attitude changed after using it a few times, discovering that it was ACTUALLY easier to use, and made chips that were cooked properly without being burnt!

My wife makes no allowance for technology moving on and items improving, her preconceptions were set in stone at her parents house where, incidentally, you can see items of technology that were pioneers of their time - if you can't make it to her dads house, these same items are on display at the Science Museum in London.

I could rant about this and this is the wrong place so I'm off to my blog page now.

To remain on topic though - I recommend that if your partner is having a tantrum you buy them a deep fat fryer and see what that does to a GPSr <_<

October 23, 2004

Kitty Hawk...you missed your vocation <_< :lol: :lol:

Ullium.

3.8k · October 23, 2004

Hmmm.... coming back on topic... I wonder if anyone has ever used a deep fat fryer as a cache container?

If anybody has, it's probaly Dan & Pid :lol: :lol:

1k · October 23, 2004

Watch this space....

<_< "Chips N Cheese" By Dan and Pid :lol:

1.3k · October 23, 2004

A deep Fryer????? Thats what I gave Martin last year for Christmas..now he wants me to stay home and use it for his pleasure <_<

The GPS came later. And the deep fryer gets used for quick meals when I've been out too long with the GPS

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