evilcacher Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Here are some pict of a cache. Would you put your hand in here? Quote Link to comment
+Cache Viking Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I like it. Nice idea but will it not require a hole to be dug? Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Put that thing just ouside a building and no way would I ever look inside to know it might be worth a deeper look. Quote Link to comment
evilcacher Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 I have permission to place it and the owner of the property thought it was great and didnt mind me digging an 18 inch deep hole. Hole to place it..yes Hole to find it..no Quote Link to comment
+Team Perks Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Sweet! I know of one more idea I'm stealing from the forums and claiming as my own! Quote Link to comment
+woody_k Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I like it. Nice idea but will it not require a hole to be dug? I thought it was o.k. to bury part of a cache such as this pipe? Not the whole cache, but the body of it leaving the top above ground. Ken Quote Link to comment
virgo91967 Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I wouldn't have a problem with it myself, but then I am not one of the PTB Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) I like it. Nice idea but will it not require a hole to be dug? I thought it was o.k. to bury part of a cache such as this pipe? Not the whole cache, but the body of it leaving the top above ground. Ken From the guidelines: "Caches that are buried. If a shovel, trowel or other “pointy” object is used to dig, whether in order to hide or to find the cache, then it is not appropriate." The reason for this guideline is because we don't want land managers to think we are digging holes to hide caches. The digging of holes is the issue, period. It doesn't matter if part of the cache is exposed. Now in this case the cache is on private property and the owner gave permission to dig so it will probably be approved, with reluctance. That's because when digging to place caches is invloved it gives the perception to the casual observer that it is a common practice. That's a perception that we should be discouraging because it is usually one of the first percptions land managers have about our sport and often the primary source of their objection to it. Edited October 5, 2004 by briansnat Quote Link to comment
evilcacher Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 I agree with brainsnat BUT in this case the land owner is aware of geocaching and actually had a part in providing some of the materials for this cache. Never have been able to get him to go with me but he understands how it works...BUT my original question is would you put your hand in this? Or would you go further after opening it to investigate if it was a cache or just a sewer drain? if it was hidden under the right circumstances ?? Quote Link to comment
rebapac Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) I would not put my hand in without first looking deeper into it. This is where carrying a little flashlite is the solution to investigating a great cache. Edited October 5, 2004 by rebapac Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) If something is burried, isn't it completely covered? Technecally, when a cache is covered over by a rock pile it's burried. That being true, if enough of the pipe is left sticking out of the ground it can't be considered burried. Just a thought. The issue is digging. If you "bury" a cache under leaves its perfectly fine. You have to go back to the reason for the rule. That's moot here because the cache owner has permission from the landowner and to answer his question, I really doubt I'd investigate that container. At least not on the first try. Edited October 5, 2004 by briansnat Quote Link to comment
rebapac Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I thought about that after posting the first message. I modified my thinking and went to the original question. Quote Link to comment
madratdan Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 What if the owner of the property buries it for you? That way you aren't burying anything, just using what is already provided for you. It might be a loop hole for caches like this one. Good idea for a cache container, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment
evilcacher Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 What if the owner of the property buries it for you? That way you aren't burying anything, just using what is already provided for you. It might be a loop hole for caches like this one. Good idea for a cache container, that's for sure. now thats an idea there madratdan! Quote Link to comment
Buzzygirl Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I'm used to seeing caches tucked into all sorts of weird places... such as in partly-fallen-over trees over a dozen feet off the ground, to mucky swamp-grass three feet high, to rodent-eaten holes in large logs, where you're not sure what else may've made its home there just last month. I've gotten way dirty from digging through piles of logs, sticks, acorns, and swamp grass for the prize. However, I don't usually find caches truly "buried" in the ground. I always thought that was sort of against the rules of geocaching. Hiders are getting more clever in their choice of container, though. My rule of thumb is, if the potential hide area looks really gross, I first use a stick to ascertain if it really is a potential hiding spot... in my experience, it's usually not, if only because most of the hiders wouldn't want to stick their hands/arms into those areas either. Quote Link to comment
evilcacher Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 I first use a stick to ascertain if it really is a potential hiding spot... in my experience, it's usually not, if only because most of the hiders wouldn't want to stick their hands/arms into those areas either. well using a stick on this would probably be a dead givaway but the gross effect is what I am looking for here...you open the lid and think "ewww...gross..not here" and the put the lid back Quote Link to comment
evilcacher Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 thats all for the comments. I am sorry but I have to remove the pics now. too much of a chance someone from my area will see them and spoil the plan. evilcacher Quote Link to comment
+woody_k Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Sorry for getting this off the original topic....So I'll answer your question... Would I stick my hand in something like that? I would probably use something to poke inside it but not my hand. Reason- about 3 yrs ago I ended up in the hospital with blood poisoning from bait I was using for fishing. I guess I didn't clean my hands up good enough and caught the bug that way. Now I am leary to put my hands in someplace where some virus and or bacteria might be. Ken Quote Link to comment
+SixTen Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Not only did this guy stick his hand in there...but he is holding the whole thing between his thumb and forefinger! Quote Link to comment
+CompuCash Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 so were are the photos ?? Quote Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 How about You put your hand where?! A little different approach, but similar overall concept. Where's the little girl's arm? One point I would like to make any time you place a tricky cache. Please be aware of frustrated cachers and the environment. I can't see the pictures so I can't really tell, but the longer someone is hunting a cache the more trampling is likely to occur. That's why I try to choose more durable locations from my trickier hides. Quote Link to comment
+Doggiewoggie Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I wouldn't put my hand in anything evilcacher designed. Not after what he's done to those travel bugs Quote Link to comment
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