Colorado Geocoins - Co Geocoins

August 13, 2004

All right I'm starting this adventure...don't know what it will turn into but I hope it will be some beautiful coins from us Coloradoans that add to this wonderful game we call geocaching.

I'm calling all designs and design ideas! Should we go with the old "favorites"? Pikes Peak, columbine flowers, pine trees, red rocks, oxygen bottles to satisfy the lowlanders! (chuckle) Give me your best drawings, designs and ideas and I'll keep track of what people like and dislike.

Because as I understand if we want to use the Geocaching (Groundspeak) logo in anyway the only approved way is to use the coin die for side 1 produced by Pressed Metal of Canada and the final design for side 2 has to be approved by Groundspeak. This is the route I was thinking of taking for this first minting, it is really cheap and easy that way. We are talking around $2(+-) a coin.

If they prove to be popular we can design another series with color, inserts or whatever in the future. I be shooting out a few of my own designs not for shameless self promotion but to get other people thinking and doodling! So get out the PhotoShop, Illustrator or just plain pen/pencil and have at it.

Also anybody is welcome to email me and help out in anyway they want. If somebody has all ready done a bunch of work along these lines, please contribute and we'll get going on this thing.

SORRY WE ARE NOT TAKING ORDERS AT THIS TIME…but

If you want to let me know how many you would be interested, and at what price you can email me at:

cogeocoins@hotmail.com

As for the tracking issue, the text is more there for layout and to note what information we would like on the coins. I think there is some talk behind the scenes about getting them tracked on Geocaching.com but I'll put out a disclaimer:

ALL COINS WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY MARKED BUT THE ACTUAL TRACKING MECHANICS ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR.

AS FOR DISTRIBUTION when we finally have coins…

We could do a local event, get a website going with payment through money order/check and maybe PayPal, we'll see.

Let the games begin! :lol:

Edited August 14, 2004 by MRCOGEO

August 14, 2004

DESIGN CONTRIBUTION- (***not the final design!!***)

or

(Just for fun!) :lol:

August 14, 2004

double post - ignore

Edited August 14, 2004 by MRCOGEO

1.4k · August 14, 2004

WooHoo, about time you guys got one. Any help I can give you just ask. Being born in Colo I have a special fondness for your state. Maybe I'll even shoot you a design. A comment on the one you did would be think how small those little hikers would be on an actual coin. If you want to concentrate on the mountains (which I think most people would associate with Colo) how about just the peak of one with a climber and snow?

4.2k · August 14, 2004

Yeah. more coins! Bring 'em on.

You may want to check out the thread in the NorthWest forum - they are just finishing up their Washington coin and it's awesome!

They're using 5 colors and the price is still VERY reasonable. THey have some people who may be able to help out on the design (if you wish) as well.

Keep in mind that not all coins can be tracked on the GC.com website - check with Jeremey now to avoid designing something that you can't use.

I'll be watching and waiting to order a few (from California).

Best of luck!

August 14, 2004

Nurse Dave...good comment, I am hoping for ideas and constructive comments like yours! I feel mine are more seeds of inspiration for much more capable graphic artists, so feel free to pick them apart or throw them out all together!

As for the tracking issue, the text is more there for layout and to note what information we would like on the coins. I think there is some talk behind the scenes about getting them tracked on Geocaching.com. But I'll put out a disclaimer:

ALL COINS WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY MARKED BUT THE ACTUAL TRACKING MECHANICS ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR.

Our faithful CO_Admin may have more to say, he is doing a lot of work behind the scenes and being the humble guy he is, may take prodding to bring it out into the community.

1.4k · August 14, 2004

Be interested to hear about that since Washington had to jump through too many hoops to track theirs through the site. And you would think if he would do it for anyone it would be them. We'll they could have, but would have had to change their design and stuff.

1.4k · August 14, 2004

They're using 5 colors and the price is still VERY reasonable.

Reasonable? How many caches you putting $5 coins in? Hmmm, maybe I need to track your caching after they come out. :lol:

4.2k · August 14, 2004

They're using 5 colors and the price is still VERY reasonable.

Reasonable? How many caches you putting $5 coins in? Hmmm, maybe I need to track your caching after they come out.

:rolleyes: :unsure:

Well reasonable in that it's the first printing and they're still under $5.00.

Point taken, though. The California coins were much cheaper than that.

I'll bow out of this thread so as to allow it to get back on track.

Wherever you end up tracking it, it's a good idea to put that URL on the coin itself.

2.3k · August 14, 2004

Personally, as the first Colorado cache reviewer AND the president of C.A.C.H.E. it would only be fitting to have my portrait on the front side of the coin. perhaps with several cachers bowing down around me???

Just a thought.

For the record you have the full support and resources of C.A.C.H.E. for this venture.

Michael

August 14, 2004

Personally, as the first Colorado cache reviewer AND the president of C.A.C.H.E. it would only be fitting to have my portrait on the front side of the coin. perhaps with several cachers bowing down around me???

wouldn't it be better with my picture on it?

August 14, 2004

As for the tracking issue, the text is more there for layout and to note what information we would like on the coins. I think there is some talk behind the scenes about getting them tracked on Geocaching.com. But I'll put out a disclaimer:

Good Luck with Groundspeak on getting your coins tracked there.Bobkat92 spent a lot of time and emails looking into that and the overall respones was no thanks. If i remember right they said they were tracking the usa coins cause it was all over the us and if they started tracking state coins then each state that has one would want it also. I totally understand where they are coming from.

It was easier to set up a tracking site.. Check the CA geocoin site thread. Marky is the person kind and patient enough with us to maintain it. he also set it up.

other than that.....LOVE the DESIGN! Far as i know if you want the geocaching.com logo on it you have to go with the generic one on the back of ours....oregon and other coins are "grandfathered" in with changing the logo. Plus its cheaper...you only have to pay to set up one side!

Edited August 14, 2004 by The Dillon Gang

2.7k · August 14, 2004

I see the Bear and Pink Pony have vision problems. The coin clearly shows

Tahosa and Lil Tahosa coming down from our recent cache placement.

And you two are still looking up.

Maybe a picture of the next generation of Cachers would be appropriate.

I think it looks good so far, Maybe a picture or silloute of Long's Peak for the background would be appropriate.

Another Idea would be to put some of the mountain ranges on the side where it says we're not square but rectangular. Have them stamped so they show up.

Maybe a picture of a colorado cacher looking for a neat place to hide one would be appropriate

1.4k · August 14, 2004

“Colorado – High altitude caching”

“Colorado – Caching above the rest”

“It isn’t a 5 star if you don’t need oxygen”

2.7k · August 14, 2004

Here is another idea, something along the idea of the lil miner on Tommy Knocker beer. Put the GC Crest on his helmet and a gps in 1 hand, and a ammo can in the other.

August 14, 2004

Love all the ideas for designs, keep them coming at this point. We are working on only one side as the other side is set.

Because as I understand if we want to use the Geocaching (Groundspeak) logo in anyway the only approved way is to use the coin die for side 1 produced by Pressed Metal of Canada and the final design for side 2 has to be approved by Groundspeak. This is the route I was thinking of taking for this first minting, it is really cheap and easy that way. We are talking around $2(+-) a coin.

The little miner of the Tommy-Knocker fame is of course a trade-mark protected icon so no go, but if some artistic (not me I am just a cut and paste man) wants to come up with a custom made miner with the GPS and ammo can, we can always incorporate it on the final side 2.

I'll make the hiker's bigger, again the coin design on the computer does not do justice to the final piece.

2.7k · August 14, 2004

The little miner of the Tommy-Knocker fame is of course a trade-mark protected icon so no go, but if some artistic (not me I am just a cut and paste man) wants to come up with a custom made miner with the GPS and ammo can, we can always incorporate it on the final side 2.

Well then we need to look at some pictures of Mountain Men. They had rendezvous we have events so in a sense they were some of the first cachers in this state. And some of our present caches are at their hangouts. So a drawing of a mountain man with a GPS and Ammo can would be a cool idea. We couldn't have him carry some heat like this character, it would upset the Lilly Pad. :rolleyes:

August 15, 2004

DRAFT v.2a and DRAFT v.3a-

Bigger hikers, different text

No hikers emphasizes mountain scale (thanks Nurse Dave), with mountain Long's Peak (thanks Tahosa and Sons)

Edited August 15, 2004 by MRCOGEO

1.4k · August 15, 2004

I don't know if it matters, but I might get rid of the hikers all together. I know it's not to scale at all, but they make the mountains almost look like hills. I had a few ideas, but suck at working on the computer so I was hoping to sketch them out early next week and email them to you.

August 15, 2004

if you don't mind nosy people out of CA here's my 2 cents.

August 15, 2004

if you don't mind nosy people out of CA here's my 2 cents.

DRAFT v4 (Graphics and Layout by Dillon Gang from CA Ahem... :rolleyes:

with motto from Nurse Dave) No we don't mind! The more the merrier, at least for now. :unsure:

2.7k · August 15, 2004

if you don't mind nosy people out of CA here's my 2 cents.

DRAFT v4 (Graphics and Layout by Dillon Gang from CA Ahem...

with motto from Nurse Dave) No we don't mind! The more the merrier, at least for now.

Its starting to look better, now if only some CO cachers would chime in.

I'll agree the hikers make it look like a level 1.

That saying needs to be worked on, haven't a real good idea yet.

Something like,

Colorado land of the 14'ers.

Cache in Colorado

for a

Real Rocky Mtn. High.

1.4k · August 15, 2004

I like the bigger hiker and the 1 sat. I might get rid of the outline of the state (how exciting is a square? hehehe) and just extend the mountains all the way across. Then the bottom half of the coin could be slightly raised. Or just have a thick raised line for the mountains that was raised the same amount as the hiker. Ya, you can tell us out of staters to butt out whenever, this is just fun to do.

1.4k · August 15, 2004

ooooh, another idea if you get rid of the outline there would be space on the right side for something else that represents Colo. Like a pony or something? :anibad: You know to balance out the hiker?

August 15, 2004

DRAFT v.2a and DRAFT v.3a-

Bigger hikers, different text

No hikers emphasizes mountain scale (thanks Nurse Dave), with mountain Long's Peak (thanks Tahosa and Sons)

I like the this one the best ( This is a must have on it, in my opinion :anibad: ), and I say we have the geocaching logo on the back (Just my thoughts, it might help differ cost as well since, assuming we go with a company that has minted these coins in the past, will already have the mold for the geocaching logo.) :wacko:

Nice work on those images.

August 15, 2004

DRAFT v.2a and DRAFT v.3a-

Bigger hikers, different text

No hikers emphasizes mountain scale (thanks Nurse Dave), with mountain Long's Peak (thanks Tahosa and Sons)

These are also great.

and for the other side

I like the this one the best ( This is a must have on it, in my opinion :anibad: ), and I say we have the geocaching logo on the back (Just my thoughts, it might help differ cost as well since, assuming we go with a company that has minted these coins in the past, will already have the mold for the geocaching logo.) :wacko:

Nice work on those images.

EDIT: Maybe not on the geocaching logo, cause I like the second image on teh second set of iamges above. That should be good.

August 15, 2004

here's the back side that is from pressed metal. did anyone email Groundspeak and ask about the back side? i know for sure that you can't modify the logo anymore. but it seems that the washington coin will have a different background.

Back of Ca Geocoin

Washington Geocoin

August 15, 2004

here's the back side that is from pressed metal. did anyone email Groundspeak and ask about the back side? i know for sure that you can't modify the logo anymore. but it seems that the washington coin will have a different background.

Back of Ca Geocoin

Washington Geocoin

Just like a military challenge coin.

4.2k · August 16, 2004

Just another outside opinion:

The satelittes look like Tie Fighters from Star Wars - maybe change to stars? Don't you guys have beautiful clear nights our there?

2.7k · August 16, 2004

Just another outside opinion:

The satelittes look like Tie Fighters from Star Wars - maybe change to stars? Don't you guys have beautiful clear nights our there?

Its not outside opions, after all we are CACHERS, and after the same thing.

I do believe that the star fighters are out of sorts, how about the big dipper, we all look to that at night as a reference point. And if you imagination runs wild would'nt a big dipper be an ancient cache container.

August 16, 2004

I am away from graphic program so I haven't whipped out another pic but building on the ideas presented:

Replace the sat's with the Big Dipper or some other celestial beacon.

We can balance out the hiker with a small rock outcropping on the right side with cache sitting on it with some type of pictogram/petroglyph of a horse scribbed into the rock under the cache. :anibad:

Don't know how it will look but I'll get another drawing out when I can. I really enjoy this process.

As for the other side, thanks to the Dillon Gang for posting the other side of the coin, that's the one it will be if we go that way.

August 16, 2004

“Colorado – High altitude caching”
“Colorado – Caching above the rest”

“It isn’t a 5 star if you don’t need oxygen”

I love that quote It isn't a 5star if ya don't need oxygen. :anibad:

August 16, 2004

Here's something with Long's Peak in it and the Dipper

August 16, 2004

Here's something with Long's Peak in it and the Dipper...

Ooooh, I like it. The idea of serializing the coins within a cache container is a great one! Now like Tahosa and Sons said, hopefully more CO geocachers will comment and join in on the design phase. But we are not ignoring any ideas or comments no matter where you are!

I have talked to CO Admin and he is courageously handling tracking and permission issues.

I will contact Pressed Metal about production turn around time and final costs as they have started up again after a quick company intermission.(vacation?) The estimate is still around 2$ a coin.

EDIT:

Quick and dirty estimation of what the design by Dillon Gang with contributions from Tahosa and Son's MIGHT look like if it where a coin:

DRAFT V5

Edited August 16, 2004 by MRCOGEO

2.7k · August 17, 2004

You know those 7 stars are what our terrain ratings are to the Flatlanders.

Man am I looking forward to ordering some of these coins, maybe the could

be used as bait to get some cachers up into the hills after some of the good ones.

Someday I'll have to take the Dillon Gang up to Lake Dillon and do some real mountain caching.

4.2k · August 17, 2004

Just popping in to see progress.

The ammo can for the tracking number is a great idea! That's a really unique idea and I personally love the way it looks.

5.7k · August 17, 2004

By the way, if you want co.geocoin.net to be forwarded to some IP address, I would do that for you for free. Just let me know.

--Marky

August 17, 2004

By the way, if you want co.geocoin.net to be forwarded to some IP address, I would do that for you for free. Just let me know.

Excellent Marky and thank you! That is very generous. I will let you know if we go that route.

August 17, 2004

That latest coin is spectacular! I dont' think that one can be topped. You got that right Tahosa, someone emailed me the other day from Conneticate and told me they got a bloody nose attempting my cache I have hidden in teh greenhorn at 9k feet. good stuff. I like everything about that newest coin

GJ

Idea for the back of the coin, have the state of colorado or our flag and the geocaching logo and info...

1.4k · August 17, 2004

Not sure if people are having different ideas or don't understand the process so I'd though maybe I could clear it up a bit.

The cost of the first run of coins is the cost of minting + shipping + customs (this place is in Canada) + the die fee for making the die for each side. I've forgotten now what the die cost is per side, but I'm pretty sure it's over $150. GC.com has a die with their logo set-up with the company that you can get permission to use after signing a contract and getting your design approved. So this is what had been discussed and is used by the other states that get their coins made through this company as a way to keep costs down and also a way to get to use the gc.com logo on their coin. Just keep in mind that if you want a custom design on BOTH sides, that with double the set-up die fees and of course make the coins more expensive.

If all that was already everyone's understand than just forget what I said an move right along.

5.7k · August 18, 2004

The one reason why I wouldn't go with the geocaching.com logo die is because of the www.geocaching.com URL on it. Since geocaching.com isn't allowing us to track these coins on the geocaching.com site, it's confusing to have that address on the coin. If it had been up to me, I wouldn't have used that die on the California coin. I was out voted on that though, and mainly because of the additional minting costs. I would suggest that you register a domain now (or use co.geocoin.net for free) and have that put on the coin. It will help the coins track better.

--Marky

August 18, 2004

Geocaching has not expressly denied our request for tracking on GC.com. There is talk behind the scenes using a new numbering scheme and some other requirements to get the tracking option. I'll state another dislclaimer:

ANY WEBSITE PRINTED ON THE DESIGN IS FOR LAYOUT AND TEXT FORMAT ONLY AT THIS TIME.

The discussion is kind of at the design phase and then we will move into the decide phase within the next week or two as more CO geocachers speak up.

We will wait and see but the external tracking is absolutely plan B and Marky, I thank you again for the offer. :lol: It's really nice to see the support for the CO geocoins as we work together to contribute to this global game.

Edited August 18, 2004 by MRCOGEO

1.4k · August 18, 2004

The one reason why I wouldn't go with the geocaching.com logo die is because of the www.geocaching.com URL on it. Since geocaching.com isn't allowing us to track these coins on the geocaching.com site, it's confusing to have that address on the coin.

I can see that point, but I've never heard of a problem with the Oregon coin. I think you just have to package the coin so it's obvious where you go to track it. It is also a neat idea to try to keep costs down to make people willing to put them in caches. If cost is not an object I'd go the route of Washington and design both sides with colour and the whole thing.

August 19, 2004

Draft v6a

SIDE 1 and SIDE 2

We can go with or without flag. In reverence to the first CO cache approver and president of C.A.C.H.E., CO Admin, a horse pictograph.

(Sorry no bowing cachers or crown of cache's yet but I'll keep working on those designs )

I have gotten an estimate price sheet from Alan at Pressed Metals and I will post it but we are waiting on estimate pricing for tooling of side 2. We will need a minimum of 250 orders to keep the price around estimated $2+- and with 500 the price goes down even further and so on. Also no one will be making a profit on this venture with all order money going towards production, shipping and shipping supplies and distribution of the coins only.

SORRY WE ARE NOT TAKING ORDERS AT THIS TIME BUT KEEP THE INTEREST EMAILS COMING AT cogeocoins@hotmail.com AND I WILL POST HERE AND MAYBE OPEN ANOTHER THREAD WHEN WE ARE TAKING ORDERS Far estimate is another week or two to open orders.

August 19, 2004

Draft v6a

SIDE 1 and SIDE 2

We can go with or without flag. In reverence to the first CO cache approver and president of C.A.C.H.E., CO Admin, a horse pictograph.

(Sorry no bowing cachers or crown of cache's yet but I'll keep working on those designs )

I have gotten an estimate price sheet from Alan at Pressed Metals and I will post it but we are waiting on estimate pricing for tooling of side 2. We will need a minimum of 250 orders to keep the price around estimated $2+- and with 500 the price goes down even further and so on. Also no one will be making a profit on this venture with all order money going towards production, shipping and shipping supplies and distribution of the coins only.

SORRY WE ARE NOT TAKING ORDERS AT THIS TIME BUT KEEP THE INTEREST EMAILS COMING AT cogeocoins@hotmail.com AND I WILL POST HERE AND MAYBE OPEN ANOTHER THREAD WHEN WE ARE TAKING ORDERS Far estimate is another week or two to open orders.

That is absolutely PERFECT! I say we go with that design. It has my vote as the coin I love it

Great Job on that design

1.4k · August 19, 2004

What's that doggie looking thing on the right?

August 19, 2004

Bad news on the scene designs. The extra amount of tooling and artwork required to design a scene coin would push the coin costs way above $2-3. We are talking $400+ for the tooling alone! Plus the scene coins never come out as people want them to because we are dealing with metal not pencil or watercolors. Different medium different methods.

So representations are our best bet. Like this one by Dillion Gang and Tahosa and Son:

Edited August 19, 2004 by MRCOGEO

August 19, 2004

What's that doggie looking thing on the right?

Everybody's a critic!

That's a western picto-graphic representation of our resident POWER-THAT-BE'S Co Admin's favorite avatar image, a pony.

2.7k · August 20, 2004

That's a western picto-graphic representation of our resident POWER-THAT-BE'S Co Admin's favorite avatar image, a pony.

Keep the pony on the avatars not on the coin. Lose horses are just cat food in the hills.

August 20, 2004

Bad news on the scene designs. The extra amount of tooling and artwork required to design a scene coin would push the coin costs way above $2-3.

wonder how much this one cost?:

here is the front of the CA geocoin:

it only cost us 2.50 or 3.00 per coin for the first minting quote at 500coins. (ended up with 1250minted) the second order is priced at 2.15 per coins for 500

i work in corel draw and so does pressed metal. they can play around with the image if you send it to them in .cdr format

i also would be happy to send you the bits and pieces that make up the coins i posted (the hiker, a simpler mountain, couple trees, the ammo can)

Edited August 20, 2004 by The Dillon Gang

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