Approval process of GCG6AK

[+nelsotob]

I have recently set up my first two cache. Although one of them appears to have been denied due to this approval person's whem. I would like to know what methods I have at my disposal to challenge his denial. He claims that the rules prohibit him from approving this however I cannot find anywhere in the posted rules he should deny me. To me, it seems to me that this person has some personal issue with the cache, because I can find several that appear to be the same as mine.

[+welch]

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Originally posted by Tweekerbob:

I have recently set up my first two cache. Although one of them appears to have been denied due to this approval person's whem. I would like to know what methods I have at my disposal to challenge his denial. He claims that the rules prohibit him from approving this however I cannot find anywhere in the posted rules he should deny me. To me, it seems to me that this person has some personal issue with the cache, because I can find several that appear to be the same as mine.

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First, try not to insult the approvers, they are volunteers, and doing so will not help your situation.

Second, Talk to the person. Find out what the problem is, and ask how you can fix it. From what you've explain, I have no clue why it was denied so I can not offer any advice.

Third, Rules change, and previously posted caches have been 'grandfathered' in. Because Joe cacher did it in OtOne is not a reason.

 

As for challenging, discuss the matter with the approver. Perhaps modifing the cache will get it approved, or you can explain how the sighted rule does not apply (I cant be more specific, sorry) If you still think your cache should be posted to this site after that, you could try posting a poll in the forums asking "should this cache be approved?", or send message to Jeremy asking for it to be approved.

 

[+briansnat]

You don't say why it was denied. Was it on private property? On NPS land? Close to a bridge, RR, or military installation? Too close to another cache? A virtual where a real cache was possible?

 

These are some of the more common reasons. What did the admin tell you? They don't deny caches on a whim, they deny caches because they don't follow the guidelines (which admittedly are subject to frequent change).

 

Just because you find similar caches, doesn't mean that yours will be approved. Some caches are "grandfathered", meaning when a guideline changes, they don't go back and archive all previous caches that don't comply. They just won't approve new ones.

 

"Au pays des aveugles, les borgnes sont rois"

[+DustyJacket]

Tell us the reason it was denied before asking an opinion.

 

I just 2 approved. I submitted them Saturday afternoon and one was approved by Sunday morning and the other by Sunday afternoon. On Memorial Day weekend, no less. Great service.

 

And one of them was pretty darn lame, almost a drive-by. But, I followed all the rules.

 

DustyJacket

Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case...

[+Mopar]

I've never had a problem either. Make sure you check the Cache Listing Requirements/Guidelines to make sure your cache meets all the requirements to be posted.

Besides the reasons Briansnat mentioned, some of the other reasons caches are denied:

Caches placed on vacation

Caches that are commercial (trying to get you to patronize a business or sell you something or use the cache/website for free advertising)

caches that are of an "adult" nature, or promote illegal things such as drug use. Geocaching is a very family oriented activity.

You have to be more specific before we can help you though. You mention the GC# in your post, but since the cache wasn't approved, only you can see that page. Please tell us more about the cache, and the reason they gave for not approving it.

 

Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon.

[Team Spending Time, Saving Cache]

I just got denied on a cache I place because they said it is too close to another (which I knew when I placed it). I was very polite to the approver and explained that the GPS indeed show it very close but there is a lake in between which really to get from one to the other is like a 1/4" walk or more... I am still waiting to hear back, if that still won't get it approved then I will move it, not a big deal.

 

Just keep cool and be polite, there probably is a valid concern about the placement or something - Communication is everything.

 

Live to Cache... Cache to Live...

[+flask]

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Originally posted by DustyJacket:

 

And one of them was pretty darn lame, almost a drive-by. But, I followed all the rules.

 

DustyJacket

Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case...

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dusty, some of us NEED drive-bys. what else are we supposed to do on a weeknight when we start go go through withdrawal and need to go find a box?

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

[+Renegade Knight]

The admin should have posted why it was denied in the cache page. That way you are not shooting in the dark and you can discuss the issue. For example a cache can be 22' apart but one on top of the cliff and one at the bottom with a 4 mile hike to get to each other.

 

The rules are guidelines.

 

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Wherever you go there you are.

[+mtn-man]

The cache in question is a multi-cache that does go to some historical locations. However, the final location is inside a bar where you have to "Ask the barkeep for the Geocache log book sign it and have your picture taken." There is no container for trade items, just a logbook and camera. That is more of a commercial cache and this cache is even highlighted in the description as an "Adult cache to get to the log book and have picture taken". The site is more about fun, family oriented caches as apposed to adult caches, and commercial caches are not approved anyway.

 

FYI... the archive note stated that this is a commercial cache and could not be approved in its current form.

[+mtn-man]

As a clarification for Tweekerbob, the original cache before it was archived also stated that there was a 'prepaid' beer in the cache. All you were asked to do is if you take the beer leave one for the next finder. You don't have to do that to log the find, I guess, but it still goes over the line of commercialism.

 

Just so you will know for future cache hides, the guidelines section used in archiving this cache is on the Guidelines and Requirements Page.

 

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Commercial Caches / Caches that Solicit

 

What is a commercial cache? A commercial use of the web site cache reporting tool is an direct or indirect (either intentional or non-intentional) attempt to solicit customers through a geocaching.com listing. Examples include for-profit locations that require an entrance fee, or locations that sell products or services.

 

Solicitations are also off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, or social agendas will not be listed. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Some exceptions can be made for certain cache types (e.g. locationless) In these situations, permission can be given by the geocaching.com web site. However, permission should be asked first before posting. If you are in doubt, ask first.

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[+DustyJacket]

Now that the facts come out, this statement are less than valid:

"one of them appears to have been denied due to this approval person's whem (sic)"

 

"I cannot find anywhere in the posted rules he should deny me" - getting a little personal, eh?

 

He isn't denying YOU. Rather, he is not approving the cache's location. Take it easy, and don't get upset when a cache is "pushing the envelope" of the rules and does not get approved.

 

IMHO of course.....

 

DustyJacket

Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case...

[+Mopar]

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Originally posted by DustyJacket:

Now that the facts come out, this statement are less than valid:

"one of them appears to have been denied due to this approval person's whem (sic)"

 

"I cannot find anywhere in the posted rules he should deny me" - getting a little personal, eh?

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Really. I don't think this cache was declined because of someone's whim, or because they are getting personal with you.

From the information mtn-man (one of those "approval persons") posted above, it sound's like your cache was declined for good reason, and that reason was told to you.

I think you owe whatever "approval person" declined your cache a very big apology for your first post. Sounds like he was only following the rules YOU are supposed to be following yourself when hiding a cache.

 

Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon.

[Team Misguided]

As the approver in question I'll throw my two cents in as well.

 

I think the initial part of the cache is great. A little histoy lesson while exploring a downtown park. My only concern is the final location, if the logbook and camera can be located outside the bar I can approve it. Insisting that it remain in the bar makes me wonder why it has to be there. It sounds too much like a reason to bring someone to that establishment and 'guilt' them into buying something.

 

As a general rule the Admins will post why a cache was archived in the archive note. I always try to offer suggestion on how the cache can be modified to fit into the guidelines. In this case move the final location outside the establishment.

 

TMJ--Geocaching.com Admin.

 

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Don't mind us, we're just looking for tupperware in this bush.

[+nelsotob]

First allow me to digress, I didn't realize that you could not respond to the notifications received via email, so this response will be somewhat general.

 

Mtn Man. When did the rules go into place that you are referring to:

 

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Commercial Caches / Caches that Solicit

 

What is a commercial cache? A commercial use of the web site cache reporting tool is an direct or indirect (either intentional or non-intentional) attempt to solicit customers through a geocaching.com listing. Examples include for-profit locations that require an entrance fee, or locations that sell products or services.

 

Solicitations are also off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, or social agendas will not be listed. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Some exceptions can be made for certain cache types (e.g. locationless) In these situations, permission can be given by the geocaching.com web site. However, permission should be asked first before posting. If you are in doubt, ask first.

 

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because the two other caches that I use as examples one less than a year old and the other just at a year. So these are NEW rules? I understand that your calling them Grandfathered in however sence we are so dead set against Commercializm doesn't that seem reasonable.

 

Dusty Jacket: Thanks for your opinion of me (sic), common now this is not becomming of an officer. When a person asks repeted questions to a person and they are skated around a little scarcasam is desirved, as you showed me! Remember (sic).

 

Additionally what about the cache's that you cannot go to unless your a paying member. Is that not commercial? I have made a cache that has a log a camera and is indoors whats the issue. I have paied for the beer. whats up?

 

Team Misguided:

So what you saying about the "guilt" so is that why your a paying member here. Because you were "guilted" into it? Most of us have a free will and we can choose to use it or not. So everytime you see a comercial on TV or a billboard while your driving down the road are you guilted into buying the product? The church collection plat I'm sure you'd give if you had the money but if you didn't would you feel guilty?

 

[This message was edited by Tweekerbob on May 29, 2003 at 03:07 PM.]

[+yumitori]

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Originally posted by Tweekerbob:

 

Dusty Jacket: Thanks for your opinion of me (sic), common now this is not becomming of an officer. When a person asks repeted questions to a person and they are skated around a little scarcasam is desirved, as you showed me! Remember (sic).

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I'm missing it; where did he become personal?

 

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Additionally what about the cache's that you cannot go to unless your a paying member. Is that not commercial? I have made a cache that has a log a camera and is indoors whats the issue. I have paied for the beer. whats up?

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The issue, as has been explained, is that it is inside a bar. Move it elsewhere if you wish the cache approved. The solution seems easy enough.

 

If you have further questions as to what 'commercial' means, I'm sure the approvers will be happy to work with you to explain the concept.

 

Or you can continue here, and perhaps anger folks, which will certainly not help you.

 

Ron/yumitori

[+DustyJacket]

The '(SIC)' was used to indicate the misspelling of 'whim' was from the original quote, and not a typographical error of mine.

It is a standard term used for decades.

 

It was not an opinion. I did not express an opinion of you.

 

Main Entry: sic

Pronunciation: 'sik, 'sEk

Function: adverb

Etymology: Latin, so, thus -- more at SO

Date: circa 1859

: intentionally so written -- used after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces an original <said he seed [sic] it all>

 

DustyJacket

Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case...

 

[This message was edited by DustyJacket on May 29, 2003 at 04:29 PM.]

[+DustyJacket]

BTW - I had proposed to Jeremy that I could get Cabelas here in town to sponsor and supply a cache. (After all, they have the goodies on hand.)

It wasn't going to be placed in their store, but at least a couple of hundred yards away.

In addition to a cache we could all find neat stuff in, Cabelas could use it to introduce folks to caching.

 

The response was that it was not going to be allowed because it was a commercial cache.

That's life, and is OK with me. No need for me to get upset (I asked before approaching Cabelas because I thought it would be 'pushing the envelope'. )

 

DustyJacket

Not all those that wander are lost. But in my case...

[+Nurse Dave]

Well, being from the same city, I can say I haven't had a problem with any approver. But in this family sport, I haven't tried to put a cache INSIDE A FRIGGIN' BAR!!! Geesh.

 

---Real men cache in shorts.

[+nelsotob]

It amazes me that folks seem to think that a bit of debate is offensive.

Nurse Dave go read the Hammerhead cache, all FRIGGIN' taverns. Geesh. So its been done before.

 

The question I keep asking is when?

When did this Rule come about because as I have mentioned there are several other caches that are less than a year old that are very much the same.

 

As far as you all getting worked up over this it seems you all have put a lot more emotion in this than I.

Just a simple debate didn't mean to get all of your shorts in a bunch.

 

I have harmed no one. Just asked questions.

[+briansnat]

Hey Tweekerbob,

The admins told you ways to make your cache acceptable. Either do it and get your cache approved, or move on. The concept isn't all that hard.

 

"Au pays des aveugles, les borgnes sont rois"

[Team Spending Time, Saving Cache]

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Originally posted by Nurse Dave & LKay:

Well, being from the same city, I can say I haven't had a problem with any approver. But in this family sport, I haven't tried to put a cache INSIDE A FRIGGIN' BAR!!! Geesh.

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I am going to do a micro and hide it under the pastie (err is that pasty) of a table top dancer

 

Sorry I could not resist!

 

Live to Cache... Cache to Live...

[+nelsotob]

Thanks,

 

Team spending Time, Saving Cache.

[+Mopar]

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Originally posted by Tweekerbob:

It amazes me that folks seem to think that a bit of debate is offensive.

Nurse Dave go read the Hammerhead cache, all FRIGGIN' taverns. Geesh. So its been done before.

 

The question I keep asking is when?

When did this Rule come about because as I have mentioned there are several other caches that are less than a year old that are very much the same.

 

As far as you all getting worked up over this it seems you all have put a lot more emotion in this than I.

Just a simple debate didn't mean to get all of your shorts in a bunch.

 

I have harmed no one. Just asked questions.

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Well, since you asked, it's in the guidelines that grandfathered caches are not a reason to approve current caches, but you picked a perfect cache to compare to.

HammerHead cache is over a year old. NONE of the stages appear to be inside a bar. Most are not bars (even the stage that mentions a "bar" is not a tavern bar). After doing all those stages, the final location is in a park, not behind the bar in a tavern. How you think your cache in a tavern is the same as a cache hidden in the park, I have no idea. There is nothing commercial about a cache in a park, it's how we play this game, mostly. Go find a few more and maybe you'll understand that.

PS: after checking archives of the website, the "no commercial caches" rule has been there at least since 2001.

 

Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon.

 

[This message was edited by Mopar on May 29, 2003 at 05:16 PM.]

[+nelsotob]

Ok I'm sorry that you don't know the Porland area better. Mcmenamins is a Brew pub chain, all of them serving liquor, beer and food. A quote from one of the logs:

 

February 8 by Gofindit (220 found)

I’ve been working on this one for several weeks, wanted a Level 5 for the 150th cache. Many of the locations I’ve been to and several I had not. Stopped and had dinner at the Courtyard in Kennedy School, didn’t stop for a Terminator at White Eagle, (wanted my truck there when I got back). My son and I often race RC cars at Hometown Hobbies, so I picked up the last waypoint out of sequence. Really enjoyed this one and the event cache. Thanks to my Xmas present, a digital camera, I have many pictures of all the stops. Thanks for a great Cache and tour of all the Mc Menamins!

 

Your still going to each establishment, hmmm are you "guilted" into buying anything. Most of the people in the logs are not.

 

Waypoint #1: N45 30.742 x W122 38.929 - How much does the Barley Mill weigh? A = _________

 

This old Barley Mill is inside a Pub called The Barley Mill. Which the information being looked for, one has to enter the bar.

 

Waypoint #2: N45 33.860 x W122 37.839 - How many large fireplaces in the Courtyard? J = _________

 

This is inside the Kennedy School pub owned by The McMenamin's.

[+nelsotob]

Additionally GC64C0 reads:

 

Here are the rules. The cache holds 5 coins, each marked with a unique validation code. Please be nice and take only one coin - enough to buy a refreshing beer at a nearby cafe. To qualify as a winner, you must come back to the place, and smile to the webcam while holding your beer (or any other drink) and your GPS unit. Have a friend save the image at the same time, then upload it here along with the validation code in your log entry. You will be rewarded by advance notice of the next hunt for free drinks ;-)

 

Created less than a year ago.

 

I believe a person should be able to ask questions without being condemned...

[+Mopar]

quote:

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Originally posted by Tweekerbob:

Ok I'm sorry that you don't know the Porland area better. Mcmenamins is a Brew pub chain, all of them serving liquor, beer and food. A quote from one of the logs:

 

February 8 by Gofindit (220 found)

I’ve been working on this one for several weeks, wanted a Level 5 for the 150th cache. Many of the locations I’ve been to and several I had not. Stopped and had dinner at the Courtyard in Kennedy School, didn’t stop for a Terminator at White Eagle, (wanted my truck there when I got back). My son and I often race RC cars at Hometown Hobbies, so I picked up the last waypoint out of sequence. Really enjoyed this one and the event cache. Thanks to my Xmas present, a digital camera, I have many pictures of all the stops. Thanks for a great Cache and tour of all the Mc Menamins!

 

Your still going to each establishment, hmmm are you "guilted" into buying anything. Most of the people in the logs are not.

 

Waypoint #1: N45 30.742 x W122 38.929 - How much does the Barley Mill weigh? A = _________

 

This old Barley Mill is inside a Pub called The Barley Mill. Which the information being looked for, one has to enter the bar.

 

Waypoint #2: N45 33.860 x W122 37.839 - How many large fireplaces in the Courtyard? J = _________

 

This is inside the Kennedy School pub owned by The McMenamin's.

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I'm surprised that since you seem to know all the answers to this multicache, you haven't logged that big find #4 on it yet.

 

Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon.

[+nelsotob]

This was emailed to me by the geocaching staff:

 

Date:Thu, 29 May 2003 17:29:53 -0700

From:"General Inquiries" <contact@Groundspeak.com><tweekerbob@yahoo.com>

Re: [#20775] Team Misguided contacting you from Geocaching.com

 

tweekerbob,

 

Team Misguided has sent you their email address in the emails they have sent you, please reply to that address. I have also cc'd them on this

reply. If you reply to the automated bot those emails are not received by the admins.

 

As for commercial caches, the following text has been on the hide/seek page since 2001:

 

READ FIRST: This is a free service. Only caches of a non-commercial nature can be posted through this site. If you wish to create a commercial cache or promotion, please contact us first. Caches perceived of a commercial

nature will not be approved.

 

Groundspeak not accepting commercial caches is not a new thing, yet it does say ask permission so there are some out there that we have accepted.

 

Citing caches that were approved that you see as similar to yours is pointless. It states clearly on our guidelines page there is no

precedent for placing caches. Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

 

Happy Geocaching!

 

Heidi

 

OK, so commercial caches will not be approved, but some have been accepted, so you should ask. However, don't anticipate the answer since looking to precedent is "pointless". Sorry if I may seem to be having a hard time assimilating these somewhat contradictory guidelines, but I am. Maybe it could all be rendered moot by a simple disclaimer stating the right to reject ANY caches for ANY or NO reason whatsoever.

[+nelsotob]

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Originally posted by Mopar:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tweekerbob:

Ok I'm sorry that you don't know the Porland area better. Mcmenamins is a Brew pub chain, all of them serving liquor, beer and food. A quote from one of the logs:

 

February 8 by Gofindit (220 found)

I’ve been working on this one for several weeks, wanted a Level 5 for the 150th cache. Many of the locations I’ve been to and several I had not. Stopped and had dinner at the Courtyard in Kennedy School, didn’t stop for a Terminator at White Eagle, (wanted my truck there when I got back). My son and I often race RC cars at Hometown Hobbies, so I picked up the last waypoint out of sequence. Really enjoyed this one and the event cache. Thanks to my Xmas present, a digital camera, I have many pictures of all the stops. Thanks for a great Cache and tour of all the Mc Menamins!

 

Your still going to each establishment, hmmm are you "guilted" into buying anything. Most of the people in the logs are not.

 

Waypoint #1: N45 30.742 x W122 38.929 - How much does the Barley Mill weigh? A = _________

 

This old Barley Mill is inside a Pub called The Barley Mill. Which the information being looked for, one has to enter the bar.

 

Waypoint #2: N45 33.860 x W122 37.839 - How many large fireplaces in the Courtyard? J = _________

 

This is inside the Kennedy School pub owned by The McMenamin's.

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I'm surprised that since you seem to know all the answers to this multicache, you haven't logged that big find #4 on it yet.

 

+ _Tae-Kwon-Leap is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon. _

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Thanks for evading the point once again.

[Team Spending Time, Saving Cache]

Wow this is filling my mailbox I am dropping the notfication. Good luck on the approval, etc. I need luck on mine too

 

Live to Cache... Cache to Live...

[+9Key]

Geez, who rated this topic a 5?!

 

The bar cache is obviously inappropriate and should have been archived without question.

 

Approvers are not 'out to get you'. They're cachers just like the rest of us!

 

All of the time spent debating these caches could have been spent devising new, better, more clever caches that work within the rules of the game as they are now.

Why reinvent the wheel?!

 

[+Wander Lost]

I'm not from Portland but I do visit there frequently. I've been to a McMenamin's and they are great places to eat. Yes they serve beer, but they also serve food and have an area that families can dine in.

 

As far as Hammerhead goes, that one was designed to be done over a longer period of time than one afternoon. The idea was visit each waypoint when you are in the area note the info needed and when you've hit them all you can find the final cache.

 

Mopar hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. With Hammerhead the final cache is in a park, yours is not.

 

We're all here, because we're not 'all there'.

 

[+crashmore]

Wouldn't your time now be better spent on removing the bar / commercial aspect of the cache and modifying it to conform to the guidelines so it can be approved?

 

Arguing with the cache approvers at this point does nothing positive at all and certainly isn't furthering your cause. Do you honestly think an approver is suddenly going to reverse the descision after reading your arguments?

 

It has been explained numerous times as to why this cache can not be posted. Just suck it up change the final location and get it approved.

 

BTW I too would have rejected this cache approval had it been submitted in my neck of the woods. No one is picking on you this cache just doesn't fit the current guidelines as it is.

 

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Hope is the destination that we seek.

Love is the road that leads to hope.

Courage is the motor that drives us.

We travel out of darkness into faith.

 

-=The Book Of Counted Sorrows=-

[+mtn-man]

Tweekerbob, you may say that you are just in a discussion, but your post do sound like you are pretty mad about the situation.

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Originally posted by 9Key:

All of the time spent debating these caches could have been spent devising new, better, more clever caches that work within the rules of the game as they are now.

Why reinvent the wheel?!

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I agree with this whole-heartedly. You should also take some time and really go over the guidelines.

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Keep in mind that there is no precedent for placing caches. If a cache has been posted in the past and break any rules listed below, you are welcome to report it. However, we honor the posting of older caches that came in before the rule was issued.

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Why don't you just report the cache you are questioning to the contact address? I tend to agree that one or two of the steps should be modified, but it is a 10 step cache and archiving the cache without giving the owner a chance to rectify it at this point is a bit extreme. If you are so concerned about it then report the cache. You were asked to rectify your cache and you are choosing not to do that. It looks like it is going to remain archived then.

 

One thing I tell cachers is that you should argue *for* your cache on its own merits. Don't just say "well they did it". Your argument will be more compelling if you can justify your cache in a positive way using the existing guidelines and only defending the merits of your submission with regard to those guidelines and requirements. It is like being a salesman -- don't sit there and tell me why your competition is bad, tell me why your company is good.

[+Team Og Rof A Klaw]

This has been an instructive thread for me, since I just placed our first cache and it got archived. First thing I'm going to do is to get past the form letter and find out why.

 

- Team Og Rof A Klaw

 

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All who wander are not lost.

[+erik88l-r]

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First thing I'm going to do is to get past the form letter and find out why.

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Not sure I'd call it a form letter. It's more of a letter template that's used by most of the approvers. We find that after explaining the same thing for the tenth time it pays to save the text of that message, then copy/paste it into the e-mail field when the eleventh identical situation occurs.

 

In the case of some submissions (like virtuals that don't give enough info to judge why a physical cache can't be placed and/or why this spot is more unique or compelling that the next roadside historical marker) those templates may have evolved over time to become somewhat "mechanical" as we try to explain all things to all people.

 

Do e-mail the person who archived your cache or put your cache on hold if the message isn't clear. We want to get your cache posted, and will work with you to fit it into the guidelines.

 

Thanks,

erik - geocaching.com admin lackey

[+Team Og Rof A Klaw]

Done.

____________________________

- Team Og Rof A Klaw

All who wander are not lost.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If a minor walks into the bar and shows a fake ID to receive your prepaid beer, who is then guilty of purchasing alcohol for someone who is under the legal drinking age?

[+Night Stalker]

I am disappionted when a cache I thought was a good idea gets archived for whatever reason. The thing that really bugs me is when I do respond with further information or a question I don't even get a reply. It is as if once it is archived everything is sucked into a blackhole.

 

Lost? Keep going. You're making good time anyway!!

[+9Key]

Night Stalker wrote:

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when I do respond with further information or a question I don't even get a reply. It is as if once it is archived everything is sucked into a blackhole.

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Don't reply to the archive email ~ email to the person who archived the cache.

 

Most, if not all, of us use verbage similar to this when we arhcive a cache:

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If you have any questions, do not reply to the archive note email. Click on the link to go to the cache page and click on my name in the archive log at the bottom of the page.

You can then send me an email regarding the cache. Please send me a link to the cache in question so I will know which cache it is regarding.

Thanks for your understanding,

9Key - volunteer geocaching.com admin

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[+ZingerHead]

mtn-man rocks! Two caches approved in less than 24 hours.

Instead of spending all this time bellyaching about a denied cache, and sucking up valuable approver time by forcing them into an extended email exchange, why not just accept the fact that they call the shots. You tried, it didn't work out, end of story. It's just a cache, for chrissakes! Give the approvers a break - they do one hell of a job considering the pay.

 

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't.

[+mtn-man]

Thanks ZingerHead!

[+9Key]

ZingerHead = Greatness

 

[Max Cacher]

ZingerHead, you are the man.

 

TG