Gay Cruising Areas

[+haggaeus]

And  as  far as the nude caching thing - Would you have a problem if I came  up  to  you during a hike and pushed a religion on you? Then why should anyone else be allowed to push their belief system on me (or my nieces/nephews) should I be out there? There are accepted places to be nude in this country - the parks aren't one of them.

Sure I wouldn't be offended if you passed me on a trail in the official robe of your denomination and said Hi - that's exactly what Nudecacher and other nude hikers do.

As for the original topic, yes I think it is appropriate to warn the others in the cache description or log, so they can decide not to hunt for this cache if they would feel there incomfortable.

(edit: quote tags)

Edited August 3, 2004 by haggaeus

[+Divine]

And as far as the nude caching thing - Would you have a problem if I came up to you during a hike and pushed a religion on you?  Then why should anyone else be allowed to push their belief system on me (or my nieces/nephews) should I be out there?

Bad analogy. If someone 'pushed a religion on me' by e.g. stuffing tracts in my hands or pockets without me wanting to, or shouting at me that I'm going to burn in hell because of my sins, then yes, maybe I'd have a problem with that. (OTOH, it might be funny too. )

 

Then again, if someone came upon me on a hiking trail singing hymns loudly or wearing a burkha or a necklace with their religious symbol (Magen David, cross, crescent, etc) or something like that, I would have no problems with that. It's not like a nude cachers are pushing their beliefs on you. Or you're saying they've tried to strip you on trail?

 

Edit: grammar and phrasing

Edited August 3, 2004 by Divine

[+geoSquid]

Would you post a note on a cache about it being located in a published gay cruising area?

 

ONLY if it was part of my experience while finding the cache. NOT to point the fact out to others.

 

Ask yourself this:

 

Would you post a note if the cache was in a lesbian cruising area?

Would you post a note if the cache was near an "inspiration point"?

Would you post a note if the cache was in a minority neighborhood?

 

I highly doubt it.

 

Yes - because as word got around, the influx of droolers with video cameras trying to score some naughty footage would drive them away.

 

Yes - because it's just as inappropriate for children, or the easily offended to see this as it is any other kind of public booty calls.

 

Maybe if I thought the neighbourhood posed a safety risk to white people, although in Canada that's seldom an issue.

Edited August 3, 2004 by geoSquid

[+TotemLake]

I would think that he has a way to put clothes on and off, cause at my cache, he was surrounded by apartments and houses, smack dab in the middle of downtown Bellevue.  I would think he wouldn't get very far naked there.

He makes very certain there is nobody else about when he strips down for his shots.

 

Really? Did he make sure no one was looking out of their windows for this shot?

I have a feeling there was a good way to be discreet and yet still be bold about it. You'll notice he's on the opposite side of a knoll. So from the apartment perspective, he's shirtless... not completely nude. Do this in the middle of a rush hour business day and you lessen your chances of being spotted by somebody.

 

Come on... this really is much ado about nothing.

[+junglehair]

Would you post a note on a cache about it being located in a published gay cruising area?

I recently went after a cache here in Rochester, NY that was in a gay cruising area. I had heard that before, but forgotten about it. I found the cache at 10:00 p.m. and saw several of the men wandering around the park. I never witnessed anything more than that.

 

I alluded to the fact that it was a gay cruising area in my post, but mostly because I thought it was kind of funny. I'd see a flashlight shining briefly in the distance and then see some guy wander over in that direction. I started to wonder how I was going to find the cache without using my flashlight and attracting the wrong kind of attention!

[+JMBella]

I noticed talk of Nudecacher brought up in this thread and don't understand how it relates to the original topic of this thread. I do not know nor have ever met Nudecacher. However, we were all born nude, and continue to be, underneath our clothing. He has nothing to hide and his photos are quite tasteful. I admire your gumption, Nudecacher! 'Nough said!

--laurak of dasein

Like I said I wasn't lookng to open up a can of worms and I don't think it has become that. I was just wondering what people thought about it. I didn't feel it was worthy of it's own thread and it is somewhat related to the topic. (calling or not calling the cops, nude in public, illegal or not illegal, etc..) Just to be clear I have no problem what-so-ever with the nude guy, just was wondering what others thought as it related to this topic.

 

Come on... this really is much ado about nothing.

 

Actually I thought it was little ado about something. This didn't turn into a screaming debate nor did it completely derail the topic. I asked for a few opinions and got them. no biggie.

 

I now return you to your regularly scheduled Gay Cruising topic.

Edited August 3, 2004 by JMBella

[+Hikezilla]

This is no longer about what is legal, or about what is prudent, but about what a specific cacher BELIEVES is wrong.

You don't believe sex in a public park is wrong?

Not only is it wrong, but it is illegal.

 

Call me Mr. Intolerant

[+Racer and Boo]

?

 

(That is all I have to add in this topic! If you are a gay cacher, do you not log caches in areas where straight people are?!? )

I agree!

 

There is a known straight cruising park - should I stay away?

[+AuntieWeasel]

There is a known straight cruising park - should I stay away?

Obviously! Don't you?

[+fly46]

A half mile away is a homogeneously black neighborhood that I feel distinctly uncomfortable in. If a neighborhood is all one type of people, why is it all one type of people? Chances are, because they aren't welcoming of other types.

 

Actually it's the other way around. It's white people who are not welcoming of black people. Ever heard of "white flight"?

Have you ever watched the TV show The Hugley's? I've never seen someone so racicst against White People as DL is in the show.

[+Team DaSH]

I might put a note in my cache log. But I would definately score a find on the Gay Cruising Area Locationless Cache

 

Just kidding of course!

Edited August 4, 2004 by Team DaSH

[+Rogue_monkey]

i deffinately would post a note. I ended up in one of these parks while doing a college project collecting data, i was alone and a little creaped out by this guy walking around the park. he evening started to talk to me and fallow me. i wasn't thinking much of it cause most hikers are friendly but when he fallowed me i was a little worried, being alone and all. i actually called the cops and they said this park was noted for this activity.

 

so ya i'd post a note cause i would want people to know about this before hand.

[WH]

There is a known straight cruising park - should I stay away?

Can I have the adress of that park please?

[+Divine]

There is a known straight cruising park - should I stay away?

Can I have the adress of that park please?

You're going to go write down license plate numbers?

[+wimseyguy]

Okey doke. Here's a UK heterosexual variant called dogging. Further google on the term will turn up more. Much more. More than you ever wanted to know. The BBC being what it is, they're all flexed about STD's...but I would so be unhappy if I ran across this creepy hobby in the wild.

 

I keep waiting for this thread to get shut down. You can stop me any time now...

From the linked to article:

He expected their prime concern to be vandalism and fly-tipping, but found that many complained about the rise in the use of their park as a venue for sex.

He said: "One newsgroup about dogging has more than 22,000 registered users - and one we saw which set itself up only a few weeks ago already has almost 700.

"It's a nationwide activity and in the last four or five years it really has grown."

Ok, I grew up close enough to a university research farm to learn about cow-tipping, but what the heck is fly-tipping?

 

Back OT since my thought are lost way back on page one-yes please post the note so no cachers are shocked if they witness this activity. But is it grounds for archiving and moving a cache-no. Would I call the authorities to report this behavior? Nope they probably already know about it anyway.

[+Brandis]

Ask yourself this:

 

Would you post a note if the cache was in a lesbian cruising area?

Would you post a note if the cache was near an "inspiration point"?

Yes I would! If I believed the park was considered a place to cruise for sex, I would let others know about it.

 

I see no reason to post a note just because its in a minority neighborhood though.

[+brodiebunch]

Personally, I would make mention of it in your on-line log. Since this is a kid/family friendly activity, there are no doubt parents out there that want to be aware of the activity. Then they can make a decision about seeking out caches in those locations.

 

I am sure the authorities are aware of the gay cruising spots in their respective locales. In many areas the civilian population is aware of them too, by rumors, news reports or just a keen eye for those kind of things.

 

Also by mentioning it in your log online, everyone should be aware that in a gay cruising area there are those who would commit violence against the gay folk there. At dusk/evening, shadows all look alike-gay men cruising or geocachers seeking a cache.

 

On a personal note, I am a gay man who geocaches. I have a cache hidden in a park known for cruising (but also just a great park with many amenities for all) and have found caches in gay cruisy spots. Eye contact is the key with the "bush bunnies". Give it to them and their game has begun, ignore them and you can continue with yours.

 

Just my two cents....................

[+Another Mr Lizard]

Ok, I grew up close enough to a university research farm to learn about cow-tipping, but what the heck is fly-tipping? 

Fly-tipping means illegally dumping rubbish. I've no idea where the name comes from.

 

I like the idea of a small-scale version of cow-tipping, though

[+Mr Smiles]

There is a new cache in a local park here that I suspect is a gay cruising area. I had scoped the site for a possible hide some months ago, then went for a find when it was stashed by another local. Before raising a false alarm, how DO you confirm the activity as gay cruising? WEb sites? Shameless Flirtation?

Edited August 21, 2004 by Mr Smiles

[+IV_Warrior]

Before raising a false alarm, how DO you confirm the activity as gay cruising? WEb sites? Shameless Flirtation?

Well, if a guy comes walking up to you and reaches for your....uh....tool....that'd be a pretty good indication.

 

(you might laugh and think they wouldn't be that open about it, but i'm positive there is more than one cacher who can tell you for certain that sometimes they are that bold)

[+TeamSK]

Whatever happened to the idea of not caching alone? And if you feel unsafe at any cache, leave! I think assault, battery, and PDOAs are not OK for any sexuality. Sexual preference has nothing to do with it. TeamSK

[+JMBella]

Eye contact is the key with the "bush bunnies".

 

[koz]

<<SNIP>>

Would you post a note if the cache was in a lesbian cruising area?

Would you post a note if the cache was near an "inspiration point"?

Would you post a note if the cache was in a minority neighborhood?

 

I highly doubt it.

<<SNIP>>

Yes I would.

Yes I would.

No, I would not.

 

I think you are misunderstanding the point here. These areas are places that men go to have sex. Not to meet new people. They are there having sex within site of any people passing. On the trails and just off the trails.

 

There are 2 overlooks on the Palisades that have become known cruising zones. There is a parking lot on route 106 above Harriman state park that is also well known. During the day there are men there having sex. I don't care if it's men or women. Having sex in a public place is against the law. This has also forced parents to stop from bringing their children to these places. I have personally seen men cruising at 11am on a Sunday afternoon. This is not an acceptable practice.

 

I have walked through a group of men having sex at least 3 times. In a public park, during the week and in the afternoon. My son was with me one time this happened. This is not a homophobic issue. It is an issue of inappropriate behavior.

sex 3 times?...must be using viagra!

[koz]

But his being gay is as irrelevant as his being male, or his being white (or black), or whatever.

 

The diffrence is that you cant choose to be male or female or black or white. The bottom line is, we make choices and I choose to call the authorities and let them know there are people in danger.

you suggesting people choose to be gay???....don't think it works that way...

[koz]

boy...i miss the 60s

[+clearpath]

boy...i miss the 60s

You don't look a minute over 50 ... How can you miss your 60s?

[koz]

boy...i miss the 60s

You don't look a minute over 50 ... How can you miss your 60s?

i'm a futurist as well as a nostalist!

[+Zartimus]

Sure post a note. It could say, "GREAT PLACE TO MAKE NEW FRIENDS!"

 

I pulled into such a parking lot on a cache hunt once to check a map and had some guy open my (unlocked) passenger door and get in. One look at the doumbfounded expression on my face and he got right out again. I lock my doors now.

 

To each his own.