Strange Benchmarks

[+dhenninger]

I was looking for local benchmarks and came across this one KV4219 A six inch deep drill hole filled with sulfur. Too bad it appears that some time later it was "blasted". It is very near to a local rock quarry.

 

Anyone ever find a mark like this or an equally strange one?

 

Dave

[+seventhings]

dhenning25 -

 

That's what you get when you search aound the old quarries on/around Garrett's Mountain.

 

Since the station you cite was "not found" by the C&GS in 1932, it is highly unlikely that you would find that mark. But it would be totally cool to post a find for a hole filled with sulphur.

 

I have found about 20 empty holes, but never any filled with sulphur. Of course, they were supposed to have concrete monuments and disks in them.

 

I have looked at the Paterson/Clifton area as a potential hunting area, but thought it not too good. Have found many marks down in Perth Amboy, however.

 

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Edited July 23, 2004 by seventhings

[+rogbarn]

I was looking for local benchmarks and came across this one KV4219

According to the datasheet, in 1934 the NJGS reported:

 

ACCORDING TO OUR SURVEY THE POINT WAS ON A RIM OF ROCK ABOUT THREE FEET WIDE AT THE TOP AND DROPPING OFF 150 FEET ON BOTH SIDES, THE TOP OF WHICH SHOWS EVERY INDICATION OF HAVING BEEN BLASTED OFF, AND PROVES THAT THE STATION IS DEFINITELY LOST.

 

This kind of wording should be pointed out to Deb Brown with the suggestion that this one could be classified as destroyed. Be sure to include both the PID and the Designation.

 

I have reported several to her from Missouri and she has changed them all to destroyed. I hate to see them go but it helps clean up the database.

[Z15]

Have not been to this one but

 

RK0487_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 16TDS6252461375(NAD 83)

RK0487_MARKER: Z = SEE DESCRIPTION

RK0487_SETTING: 0 = UNSPECIFIED SETTING

RK0487_STABILITY: D = MARK OF QUESTIONABLE OR UNKNOWN STABILITY

RK0487

RK0487  HISTORY    - Date    Condition        Report By

RK0487  HISTORY    - 1873    MONUMENTED      USLS

RK0487  HISTORY    - 1955    GOOD            CGS

RK0487

RK0487                          STATION DESCRIPTION

RK0487

RK0487'DESCRIBED BY US LAKE SURVEY 1873

RK0487'ABOUT 3 MILES SOUTHWEST OF GRANITE POINT, ON BALD GRANITE KNOB,

RK0487'HIGHEST HILL IN VICINITY.  MARKED BY BRASS FRUSTUM LEADED INTO SOLID

RK0487'ROCK.

 

<gap text>

 

 

RK0487'

RK0487'THE STATION WAS ASSUMED TO HAVE BEEN RECOVERED WHEN THE O-PARTY

RK0487'OCCUPIED THIS STATION.  THE MARK WHICH WAS OCCUPIED WAS A NAIL

RK0487'LEADED INTO A DRILL HOLE IN SOLID ROCK (ALTHO THE ORIGINAL

RK0487'DESCRIPTION DESCRIBES THE MARK AS A BRASS

RK0487'FRUSTUM LEADED INTO A DRILL HOLE IN SOLID ROCK).

RK0487'WHEN COMPUTATIONS WERE FINISHED ON THE STATION IT WAS DETERMINED

RK0487'THAT THE POINT OCCUPIED DIFFERED FROM THE OLD GEOGRAPHIC POSITION BY

RK0487'42.32 METERS LONGITUDE AND 8.18 METERS LATITUDE.  THE OLD STATION

RK0487'BEING NORTH AND EAST OF THE POINT OCCUPIED.  WHEN THIS WAS

RK0487'DISCOVERED, A MAN WAS SENT BACK TO THE STATION TO DETERMINE IF THE

RK0487'MARK FOUND WAS A BRASS FRUSTUM OR A NAIL AND TO SEARCH FOR A

RK0487'SIMILAR MARK IN THE VICINITY OF THE LOCATION GIVEN ABOVE.  IT WAS

RK0487'DETERMINED THAT THE MARK OCCUPIED WAS NOT BRASS BUT WAS IRON OR STEEL

RK0487'LEADED INTO THE DRILL HOLE.  A SEARCH OF THE AREA INDICATED

RK0487'DID NOT REVEAL ANOTHER MARK BUT A HOLE WHICH APPEARED TO BE A DRILL

RK0487'HOLE WAS FOUND IN A BOULDER.  WHETHER THIS BOULDER HAD BEEN

RK0487'BEDROCK AND HAD BECOME SEPARATED COULD NOT BE DETERMINED.  NO LEAD OR

RK0487'BRASS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED IN THE MARK WAS FOUND.  TIME DID NOT

RK0487'PERMIT FURTHER INVESTIGATION.

Edited July 23, 2004 by elcamino

[MarkDuster]

ROGBARN SAID:"This kind of wording should be pointed out to Deb Brown with the suggestion that this one could be classified as destroyed. Be sure to include both the PID and the Designation."

 

The surveyor in me says that's right keep the data up to date.

 

ROGBARN SAID:"I hate to see them go but it helps clean up the database."

 

I would hate to report a mark as destroyed and have it removed from the public record never to be seen again. Even marks that have been lost should be kept somewhere just for the historical interest.

 

These are the descriptions I like to see

"DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1948 (WRH) THE STATION IS LOCATED ON A SLIGHT RISE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF STATE HIGHWAY 139, ABOUT 8 MILES, AIRLINE, 8.2 MILES, BY ROAD, SOUTHEAST OF TULELAKE, 200 YARDS WEST OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OLD JAP CONCENTRATION CAMP, 150 YARDS WEST OF MONUMENT TO TWO UNKNOWN SOLDIERS OF INDIAN WAR DAYS

 

The guard tower and water tower are gone.

SEE:MW0842ANDMW0852ANDMW0841

Edited July 24, 2004 by MarkDuster

[+GeckoGeek]

I would hate to report a mark as destroyed and have it removed from the public record never to be seen again. Even marks that have been lost should be kept somewhere just for the historical interest.

It's not removed. Go to the NGS site and do a search for an area. Check off the box for including destroyed marks. Now you can see them and read the datasheets.

[mloser]

MarkDuster,

I am pretty sure you will successfully get the water tower marked as destroyed, since the concrete blocks are evidence that it was removed. The guard tower may be more difficult as there is no actual evidence that it was ever there, at least from the picture you provided. For the most part Deb requires physical evidence of the destruction of a benchmark--a foundation, or some evidence that the location is where the structure used to be. For a disk you must actually have pictures of the disk in its destroyed condition. The impression of where the disk was mounted or the stem of the disk is not enough evidence to prove that it is the actual disk that was on the description.

 

Also, I noticed you didn't note the reference marks that were with MW0841. Were they there or did you not search for them?

 

Matt