+JohnnyVegas Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 This dadgum country is just getting way to PC!! So, what's next? Do we go through every single cache ever placed and remove anything that anyone may find offensive? What about items not made in the USA? Made by a foreign country whose beliefs aren't the same as us? Hell, let's just get rid of all those ammo boxes, too, then, because those are a product of war, and war is killing people! Oh, the humanity!!! A freaking cartoon picture of a freaking bear drinking a freaking beer!!!! Good Lord, what's next?!?!? Sterilizing people as a pre-emptive strike to prevent their sons and daughters from becoming criminals, or better yet, just to prevent their sons and daughters from having to see pictures of a bear drinking beer, or by chance coming across a bottle opener in a cache that advertises beer? Lord knows they'd never see that anywhere but inside a freaking geocache! There is no other way I know to say anything about what you did and why except to say it in a way that will most likely get me warned! How freaking stupid! How the heck do you survive in this world if a stupid little cartoon or a stupid little inanimate object causes you that much freaking grief?!?!?!? And another thing.... lets ban those darn FRENCH GPS units. No more Magellens Maybe when they start to ship Garmins with chain saws. Link to comment
+Kite and Hawkeye Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 If the cache owner put them there, the cache owner wants them there. Unlike another situation we had locally... there's a team around here that had bright orange stickers made up. Pretty big stickers, 5X5 inches or so. We found a camouflaged PVC pipe cache one time... which had one of these huge day-glo stickers on the outside. The cache had not been placed by that team. Takes some gall to 'tag' somebody else's cache AND ruin the camouflage! Link to comment
+Gizmo & Brazin Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Do we have any opinions? Well, since you are asking: I am sure you had good intentions. However, it is not your place to decide what is and is not appropriate when it is within Cache guidelines. You are not the cache police and the sticker wasn't something that was endangering anyone, causing harm, etc. Do you turn off the TV if a beer commercial comes on? Maybe so, but you probably don't go down to the broadcast station and remove the video from the machine to prevent the broadcast from being seen by children. Look at it this way: It's an opportunity to open a discussion with you children regarding drinking and beer. And as far as taking the key chain and not leaving anything? Bad form. Always trade up or even, or don't trade. I follow this, even when removing a knife or other object that is against geocaching rules. Link to comment
koz Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Yes, I know I do. LOL!!!! think i'm falling in love too! Link to comment
+Planet Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 (edited) Sparky, I think I love you. But I'm married! That would be a sin!!! Lust is a sin!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like a brother Sparky! Like a brother!! Lusting for a wet cat is just weird! edit: typo Edited July 17, 2004 by Planet Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 The sticker is a non issue. That whole post is dead on. I find it bad form in the extreme to take it upon one's self to police perfectly legal products--even for a minor. Please, let's not start burning books next. Link to comment
+Robespierre Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 I'm really, really late on this one, since it's all over but the cryin'. Keep it short. Martin Luther, the reformer, was a beer drinker. However, at the end of his life he regretted it - he realized that many people go too far with alcohol, hence he would have been a different leader. However, he did not, obviously, see beer as a sin, nor does Scripture say all alcohol is wrong - only drunkenness. So, yes, your values were misapplied. Let the other guy's cache alone, and he will be expected not to trash your cache if you put some pamphlet in it. So, now, you need to do your best to correct your actions. Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 <<snip>>I have a problem that needs to be addressed. Do we have any opinions? <<snip>> Well SN I think you got your answers. To sum up: the problem is that you have tampered with someone else's property-their cache. Then to compound your error you failed to trade fairly. On top of this you are inflicting your idea of right/wrong on everyone else around you. Some might view that as censorship. Don't like beer-don't drink it. Don't want your family to be exposed to beer, find a cave. Beer has been part of civilized culture for 100's of years, and like cars, books, and guns can be used properly, or misused. The choice is up to the individual using the product. That's part of what good old US freedom is all about. Now would someone please direct me to SN's next hide so I can drop some of my Sweet Potato pamphlets in it? Link to comment
+Sparky-Watts Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Yes, I know I do. LOL!!!! think i'm falling in love too! Link to comment
+The Geocache Hunter Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Here....let me drop this bomb on easily offended cachers. Beer Garden Cache "Fire for Effect!" Link to comment
+Capaldo Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Here's a few beer caches to keep the party rolling. Link to comment
+clearpath Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 (edited) Here's a few beer caches to keep the party rolling. Here's a few health related caches to have an even better time. Edited July 17, 2004 by clearpath Link to comment
+GeoWombats Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 (edited) It seems as if you can't do anything now day's without making someone unhappy. What if someone puts a bible or american flag in the cache. Edited to add: I'm willing to bet my reply will even tic someone off. As long as you don't mind me replacing the Bible with a Koran. I don't think religion is appropriate in a cache. And the US flag? Well, I'd find a flagpole and fly it and log in for the locationless on US flags! They are a bit hard to find here in Oz! Re the original post, I would not want to find a keyring or stickers advertising beer. It's as appropriate as advertising smoking. Especially when I go geocaching with a 3 year old. As a mother of two who has never bought McDonalds on principle [and ditto for the other multinational owned fast food outlets - I prefer to support the fish n chip shop or the local Asian restaurants if I want 'instant' food], I wouldn't want to find a McToy either although my daughter currently has no idea what McDonalds is. And yes, our household does drink. But we don't have the need to advertise that with silly and inaccurate stickers. As much as I really dislike the idea of a beer sticker on a cache that children will find, leave it be. Email the owner. And avoid their caches in future. Probably the best option is to trade the keyring out with almost anything. Besides, Budweiser isn't exactly great beer. I think the description in this house is "weasel piss"... Donna Edited July 17, 2004 by GeoWombats Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 The beautiful thing about a trade is that it takes the politics out of the action. If you trade for the keychain, make it a better cache for your trouble with the good trade and toss it in the trash on the way out, Geocaching is all better off and nobody's political sensabilties have been offended. After all, after the trade it's your keychain to do with as you will. Link to comment
+GentleWhisper Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Alcohol is a reality in this world. The problem isn't a sticker, it's what you teach your own children. Agreed. Our family doesn't drink alcohol. My husband spends much of his time catching drunk drivers and taking them to jail. He also spends a lot of time teaching other law enforcement officers to do the same. I take my kids caching with me all the time. If we all found a cache with beer stickers or keychains, I wouldn't be horrified or even offended. I'd show them, and say something simple that a 3 year old can understand. "Hey this is beer. Beer is gross and it makes people act stupid. Don't drink beer." The end of teaching opportunity... now let's sign the log book! Link to comment
+magking1971 Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 I just want to see the drunk bear................ Link to comment
+JMBella Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Do we have any opinions? Yes, Lighten up! Now I know that some cachers drink beer, SOME? I don't think I've met a geocacher that doesn't. And by the way. Beer IS good for your. Especially Guinness and Bass. Link to comment
+flask Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 i'd like to go on the record as saying that i neither drink alcohol nor do i approve of it. i am iritated by alcohol and tobacco advertising trinkets. i also take a dim view of religious tracts in caches, (although for some reason religious figures or other three dimensional items do not particularly bother me) and cute puppies and swirly things with roses give me hives. i do not take these things out of caches when i find them, nor am i worried that anybody's children will be corrupted. NEWS FLASH: you children are already aware that these things exist. they ether disdain them as you do, or they are attracted to them independent of your wishes. ALMOST ALWAYS trade something inappropriate out. somebody took something out of there for it, and the cache economy is impoverished if you simply remove it. on the other hand, once i found a whole bag of candy corn, a wad of soggy pamphlets and a small bottle of vodka among other inappropriate items in a cache. i took 'em all, and only left one waterproof appropriate item (the cache was also wet) in their place. Link to comment
Pilgrim, Rhubarb, & Sweet Pea Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 I can understand not liking a beer keychain or sticker in a cache if that sort of thing bothers you, but as others have already said (rather thoroughly!), you can't avoid that sort of thing in life, but it's easily explained to kids and ignored for other trade items in this case. Do they no sell beer in the grocery store where you shop? In my local market they tend to build huge displays of the stuff - how could you shield your kids from that? Better to use the opportunity to talk to your kids about beer and what your views on it are, rather than taking the sticker and the keychain. If it were an illegal item, that'd be one thing. The only thing I've been trying to shield the kiddo from on our recent caching adventures are the used condoms we keep coming across in rural areas. Link to comment
+Criminal Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 (edited) I think you’ve all missed the real point of this thread. Another thread was running just before this one started, wherein the poster stated he was offended by religious material being placed in cache. Now, if I were a very religious person, I might be inclined to suddenly decide that I'm also offended by items placed in caches, especially those items that are not in step with my lifestyle. You've all been duped. Edited July 18, 2004 by Criminal Link to comment
Cholo Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 You've all been duped. That's better than being castrated! Link to comment
+SixTen Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 SOME? I don't think I've met a geocacher that doesn't. And by the way. Beer IS good for your. Especially Guinness and Bass. I knew I liked you for a reason! I take my kids caching with me all the time. If we all found a cache with beer stickers or keychains, I wouldn't be horrified or even offended. I'd show them, and say something simple that a 3 year old can understand. "Hey this is beer. Beer is gross and it makes people act stupid. Don't drink beer." The end of teaching opportunity... now let's sign the log book Very well put...just because you don't agree with something in a cache...doesn't mean it's a bad cache...it's about the find right?...not the swag... I know there are exceptions to this and I shouldn't have to go into specifics (porn, weapons etc)...but as far as pamphlets, stickers etc...just don't trade for those things if you don't like them....also...if it's a themed cache...and the theme doesn't agree with your ideals....then don't do th ecache...or do it and log it...don't trade... -Six Link to comment
+JMBella Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 What about condoms? I found a condom in a cache once and removed it. Seemed like the right thing to do at the time and I would probably do it again. Yes, I did trade for it. Link to comment
+SixTen Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 What about condoms? I found a condom in a cache once and removed it. Seemed like the right thing to do at the time and I would probably do it again. Yes, I did trade for it. Thats just because you hoped to use it later! Yeah...condoms would be included in "sexually orientated" materials...so I would probably have removed it as well... -Six Link to comment
+Nappy10 Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 (edited) Sorry for the late comment, but I had to get my voice in somewhere. Whether we agree about the sticker and the keychain or not, it comes down to one issue: were the proper channels used in handling this issue? The answer is no. A cacher should not impose his/her viewpoint on another cacher by altering a cache container not belonging to him/her. If the cacher has a problem with the sticker, then he/she should have done one of three things: (1) Not do anymore of the owner's caches, (2) Email the owner to request the sticker be removed, or (3) Email GC.com and get the opinions of the approvers. That simple! Removing the stickers is acting as a vigilante. Personally, I don’t find something like that offensive. The cache was probably placed within range of another commercial beer ad anyway. However, I also think that if the cache owner is asking the opinions of fellow catchers, he/she shouldn't be ridiculed for it. Here....let me drop this bomb on easily offended cachers. Beer Garden Cache "Fire for Effect!" Here's a few beer caches to keep the party rolling. Edited July 18, 2004 by Nappy10 Link to comment
+CO Admin Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Sorry for the late comment, but I had to get my voice in somewhere. Whether we agree about the sticker and the keychain or not, it comes down to one issue: were the proper channels used in handling this issue? The answer is no. A cacher should not impose his/her viewpoint on another cacher by altering a cache container not belonging to him/her. If the cacher has a problem with the sticker, then he/she should have done one of three things: (1) Not done anymore of the owner's caches, (2) Email the owner to request the sticker be removed, or (3) Emailed GC.com and get the opinions of the approvers. That simple! Removing the stickers is acting as a vigilante. Ok, I think enough points have been made. The last post sums it up pretty well. This horse is dead. Nothing to see here, Move along. Link to comment
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