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So I find it very curious that upinyachits goal in the forums seems to be to invite these officious intrusions, and then denounce them.

 

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Well--here's the deal: someone with a long rap sheet can't be surprised when the cops are always "up in his ****", right? It's not a double standard to keep an eye on him, it's just smart moderating.

 

Well said. As an example, I have a good friend from highschool who just never quite grew up. While I got married and have a family, he didn't and instead got into drugs. Nothing major, but ended up spending a little time in jail. Now, for the past 20 years, he's been in & out for short stints, usually for some stupid little thing that the rest of us would be able to get away withwith a simple slap on the wrist, but he couldn't because he was on parole. Was he being unfairly harassed? No. He created the situation himself. When you screw up, you are going to be watched closer than those of us who didn't screw up, at least for a while, and you're going to be held on a shorter leash. That's life. You create your own.

 

Duane seems to have a history of pushing the envelope too far, complaining about being discriminated against, promising to behave, then starting all over again. The worst part is, some of his complaints actually have enough merit to garner limited support from other members. And if taken on their own, I might even support him. Unfortunately, when I add in his past history, my support fades quickly.

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Wow. Five pages.

 

Of making many threads there is no end, and much posting wearies the body.

 

Now all has been heard;

here is the conclusion of the matter:

Get off your BUTTS and go caching,

for this is the whole duty of a cacher.

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Duane, I'll give you a Free hiking staff if you change your name and stay out of trouble for 90 days!  You have 24 hours to think it over...then the offer is withdrawn. 
I'll change my username to whatever you would like it to be for a free hiking staff :lol:

It was bad enough when arenas and stadiums started selling their naming rights. I'm not sure geocachers need to follow. "This travel bug was last seen in the hands of 'Citibank Jeff'..." :lol:

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Wow.  Five pages.

 

yeah, but 5 pages of the same ol' same ol'

someone, somewhere, please, start a thread that can keep me entertained while I work.... :lol:

Thats what the Abject Silliness thread is for.

Oh man, not yet. I am not quite ready to wade through that one! :lol: but yeah, I know. someday when I really have no code to write, I should. hehehehee

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Wow.  Five pages.

 

yeah, but 5 pages of the same ol' same ol'

someone, somewhere, please, start a thread that can keep me entertained while I work.... :lol:

Thats what the Abject Silliness thread is for.

Oh man, not yet. I am not quite ready to wade through that one! :lol: but yeah, I know. someday when I really have no code to write, I should. hehehehee

abject silliness does not require wading through. the last one or two pages are enough. just jump in anytime.

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Ok, Duane, it's been over 24 hours now. What's your verdict?

 

TPTB aren't going to make you an approver. They don't feel you can be trusted with that responsibility. Earning that kind of trust is going to take a long time, and it involves lots of work by you to not push the envelope. If you're up to the challenge, start now.

 

TPTB will tolerate you using "chit" in your current handle, as long as you don't emphasize it. That means not more "Dropping this chit off" in your logs. Also, no "I chit you not" or "no chit?" under your avatar.

 

Now that I've met you, I'm willing to cut you some slack. I think I saw "the real Duane" rather than the one that hides behind the anonymity of the Internet.

Yes, you've been a bad boy around here for some time, but I don't think it's too late to change.

 

You've got a big challenge ahead of you because everyone knows you already. They know how you've acted over the past 2 years. They know the guy that has a 90% warn level at all times. You've said before that you want a chance to do something positive for the GC community. Now is that chance. If you mess it up, no one will ever listen to you again. If you succeed, many people still won't change their minds. They'll think it's just an act or a temporary situation.

 

Here are some suggestions on getting started up this long and winding road:

Ignore all references to your "old self". Whenever someone brings it up, click on a different thread. Don't let yourself get sucked in.

Go place a cache. Make sure it conforms to all of the rules so there is nothing to argue with the approvers about. If it isn't approved anyway, pick it up and place it in a new spot. Don't dwell on it.

Maintain your existing caches. Make sure no one can log that your cache is junk or needs help. I will personally check on your caches as soon as I move up there (and those prospects look pretty good)

Go to some more events. Your appearance at mine had a positive impact on the way you are viewed by certain forum members (and even some cachers that don't visit the forums). Show everyone the real you, not the forum reputation you have.

 

Like I said, it won't be easy to change your image. It also won't happen overnight. Not everyone will buy off on it anyway. Good luck.

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...abject silliness does not require wading through. the last one or two pages are enough. just jump in anytime.

True, if you try to go back and figure out what they are talking about it won't help. If there was a rhyme or reason it wouldn't be in AS. However I will say AS has a certain pulse and only by posting and watching what's happening right now will you ever be able to read that pulse.

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a proper parent would try to stop People form using offensive language in a family friendly site

I agree with about half of that.

 

Unfortunately, what I find offensive is censorship.

 

Where we cross is where we each feel that our moral beliefs are more important than the other's moral beliefs.

 

Where you may believe that it's important that you child never hears the word ****, I believe that it's important my child has the freedom of speech to say **** when **** is the appropriate word to use.

 

If TPTB want to remove **** from the forum, that's their choice. It's their forum. But when I feel that censorship is being put in place because TPTB are tired of being harassed by well meaning misguided people, then I will do my best to remind people that what's happening is censorship. When I feel that it's not being applied in an equal manner, I'll do my best to bring that perception to attention as well.

I am no fan of censorship either. I like the approach the Ham radio people have about the no offensive language used rule.

 

"You don't use it because you never really know who is listening." Could be a kid with his dad or granddad, and your language just messed up their fun. Same with this site. A lot of kids go geocaching and have their own login id's. Never really know who is reading.

 

Keep it clean and we don't need censors.

Thank you. That's what I was trying to say but could not put in to words so that others would understand it.

 

darn spelling

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Frankly, I would be offended running into this TB and consider it an extremely bad idea to allow it to continue. I find that Upinyachit showed good restraint in his post in consideration to this TB. How did this get past the approval process without objection????

How would you feel about finding this bug? I thought it was funny when I realized what it is. 22975_200.jpg

 

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Frankly, I would be offended running into this TB and consider it an extremely bad idea to allow it to continue. I find that Upinyachit showed good restraint in his post in consideration to this TB. How did this get past the approval process without objection????

How would you feel about finding this bug? I thought it was funny when I realized what it is. 22975_200.jpg

 

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I'll bite. What is it?

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Frankly, I would be offended running into this TB and consider it an extremely bad idea to allow it to continue. I find that Upinyachit showed good restraint in his post in consideration to this TB. How did this get past the approval process without objection????

How would you feel about finding this bug? I thought it was funny when I realized what it is. 22975_200.jpg

 

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I'll bite. What is it?

Eneman

 

:lol:<_<

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Frankly, I would be offended running into this TB and consider it an extremely bad idea to allow it to continue. I find that Upinyachit showed good restraint in his post in consideration to this TB. How did this get past the approval process without objection????

How would you feel about finding this bug? I thought it was funny when I realized what it is. 22975_200.jpg

 

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I'll bite. What is it?

Eneman

 

:P:P

I don't see a problem with it, but I'm sure some PC fudgehole will start a thread claiming that a toungue-in-cheek TB could scar their child. OH the humanity!

 

Sn <_<:lol: gans

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I don't see a problem with it, but I'm sure some PC fudgehole will start a thread claiming that a toungue-in-cheek TB could scar their child. OH the humanity!

 

Sn <_<  :lol: gans

Yeah, I think its a funny TB. I know the folks that own it and they are REAL nice people. :P

 

And as a side note, this whole PC movement is giving me a bad headache. :P

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Frankly, I would be offended running into this TB and consider it an extremely bad idea to allow it to continue. I find that Upinyachit showed good restraint in his post in consideration to this TB. How did this get past the approval process without objection????

How would you feel about finding this bug? I thought it was funny when I realized what it is.

 

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I'll bite. What is it?

Eneman

<_<:lol:

I don't see a problem with it, but I'm sure some PC fudgehole will start a thread claiming that a toungue-in-cheek TB could scar their child. OH the humanity!

Don't leave him in Half Way Up the Butte too long.

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OH OH OH, ummm....normally, I would laugh, but I have this diagnostic test on Monday....where they will take pictures of my insides, using some stuff, you know stuff, to enhance the pics. My friend at work is all like "Oh, that stuff tastes bad, but you get used to it by the end" and I didn't know whether to cry or laugh.

 

I am not saying more. If you are kind you won't either. But again, after reading the TB page (well it was loading, poor me was trying to see if eneman spelled backwards...n-a-m....) *sigh*

still don't know whether to laugh or cry...

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There is no "approval process" for TBs.

 

Personally, I don't find it offensive. I find it hard to believe that it would be offensive to children--as long as they are not being equated to said material--as they will come up with similar terms even in a vacuum.

 

In short, it's just a word.

 

What I find offensive is the "extra attention" some people get.

It has been my experience, and no doubt that of many marketers, that not only are children not offended by things like this, but to the contrary, actually enjoy them.

 

In one cache I found a small plastic toilet with dung in the bottom. The local store sells garbage can candy and toilet candy. The kids literally "eat it up".

 

I will not pass judgement nor express my opinion on the "righteousness" of this "trend" (if that is what it is), but it is nonetheless a part of childhood in our society.

 

The TB in question was in fact created as a kids' toy before the tag was put on it.

 

I have to question where our "innocence" went. Why are we so easily offended and so ready to protect "the chiiiilllldren" in cases where they really are not being harmed (Yes, I know this is debatable.)?

 

Do we perhaps use "the chiiiilllldren" a little too often as an excuse to persuade others to like the things we like and hate the things we hate?

 

"The chiiiilllldren" that we are protecting from reading a word that they won't even understand in a cache log that they are probably not even going to read are even now buying a loo full of candy at the local grocery and enjoying a joke that we are too pompous to appreciate.

 

Just goes to show you, with proper marketing you can sell any kind of "****" in this country.

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I don't see anything wrong with the screen name or word. Lighten up people! If your so worried about your children seeing the word "ch**", why not put it in the blocking software you obviously  (or should) have installed to keep the kiddy's from surfing porn sites. It's easy and solves all of the children issues with this word!

 

  Personally, I don't give a flying rats derriere if he keeps or changes his name. It matters not to me. HEY!!! Wait a minute...I've got his new screen name..."Team I don't give a flying rats derriere"!! Must get to the new thread before someone beats me to it!  :o

I shouldn't have to worry about what they will see on a family friendly site.

So use your blocking software that you have installed! <_<

 

Like a proper parent. :P

This is suppose to be a family friendly site? Whether or not I have blocking software did you read the terms of use agreement? I think that words like that are covered in it as being inappropriate.

 

 

GEOCACHING.COM SITE

TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT

Last updated: April 5, 2004

 

Welcome to www.geocaching.com, the Global Headquarters for the Sport of Geocaching. This Web site includes access to geocaching related information, the Groundspeak Forums and such other services and sites as may be made available form time to time by Groundspeak Inc. (the “Site”) These Terms of Use form a legal agreement between the accountholder (“You”) and Groundspeak, Inc. (“Groundspeak”).

 

4. Use of Publishing Tools and Forums

The Groundspeak Forums, accessible through the “Discuss Geocaching” link in the Site’s navigation bar as well as through other links, are governed by this Agreement and are also subject to such additional terms and conditions as Groundspeak may, from time to time, post in the Groundspeak Forums area.

 

You and not Groundspeak, are entirely responsible for all content that you upload, post or otherwise transmit via the Site. You agree not to:

 

(a) Upload, post or otherwise transmit any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, slanderous, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, embarrassing, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable to any other person or entity

 

PS blocking software doesn't get every and stop thing ,so a proper parent would try to stop People form using offensive language in a family friendly site :lol: .

:P:o

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(a) Upload, post or otherwise transmit any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, slanderous, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, embarrassing, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable to any other person or entity

Only problem is that the word in question is NOT vulgar, as has been pointed out by others.

 

I have heard this word used by prison gaurds often. In their case, it refers to a little brass tag that they must give to the quartermaster in order to "check out" special pieces of equipment.

 

Even in the context of the post in question, this word would fit, in its proper dictionary definition, provided the reader did not see the travel bug and then make an assumption based upon their own preconceived notions of vulgarity.

 

I find it interesting how people can get upset over something they create in their own minds that is not really there. A good example would be in one of my previous posts where I referred to "going in the back door" and someone remarked that the expression had homosexual (are you allowed to use that word here?) connotations. There was NOTHING in my post that would indicate any context of that sort whatsoever. The misinterpretation (which was probably intended to be tongue in cheek) was totally in the READER's mind.

 

This nonsense is pervasive in our society. TV sitcoms would not exist withoput the inuendo (which word itself makes a dandy "in u end o" to those whose minds like to go there).

 

It seems to me to be getting almost to the point that you cannot write or say ANYTHING without someone being "offended".

 

People very badly need "sensitivity training". They need to learn to be a little LESS sensitive to every little thing.

 

(quick edit) Do you see that last line in the guideline quote? My goodness! We can't write ANYTHING if the standard is "objectionable to any other person or entity".

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I find it interesting how people can get upset over something they create in their own minds that is not really there. ... It seems to me to be getting almost to the point that you cannot write or say ANYTHING without someone being "offended".

Exactly. People are quick to take offense because it's the easy way out ... an immediate knee-jerk reaction frees the individual from wasting time comprehending and considering the "offensive" subject matter.

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TPTB aren't going to make you an approver. They don't feel you can be trusted with that responsibility. Earning that kind of trust is going to take a long time...

But once you've got that trust, feel free to abuse it, because they will back your decisions as approver including when you choose to log fake locationless finds and even use your advance knowledge of a cache's position to grab the FTF...

 

/woo woo, Track 9 now deboarding

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Its easier to change a username than it is a double standard.

:unsure:

There is no double standard. Travel Bugs are not approved (as has been pointed out several times in this topic). Unless someone reports it or makes a forum topic about it then it most likely will go on with that name until it is reported. If it were left as is after being reported then there may be a double standard, but the site emailed the user as soon as it was pointed out.

 

This all may be a previously unknown flaw in the system, but it is hardly a double standard.

Unless COADMIN HIMSELF, emailed the Tbug owner (Which he didnt), and asked to correct the Tbug name at the SAME time as Duane was edited without notification, there is a double standard.

In this case the TBug was the disease and duanes post the symptom. It is catagorically a double standard for COADMIN to edit Duane and leave the origional offending Tbug problem to be taken care of by Mtn-Man AFTER a stink is raised in the forums.

 

Travel Bugs are not approved (as has been pointed out several times in this topic).  Unless someone reports it or makes a forum topic about it then it most likely will go on with that name until it is reported.

Obviously COADMIN saw Duanes post and the Tbug at the same time AND failed to address the TBug issue with equal timeliness and concern.

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ju66l3r's sidetrack down track #9 is off topic to this thread.

I'm not sure it is.

 

It's a matter of trust and lately it seems there's a segment of the forums that has lost trust in the approvers. Heck, after the "buttmunch" incident I'm not sure the approvers trust the approvers sometimes.

 

And it's the same issue. Duane's history has caused some approvers to put Duane in the "cannot be trusted and will go back on his word" category. That's been made clear. And yet Duane has the exact same issue with an approver and some other people on the forums seem to have the exact same issue with a different approver.

 

You want us to have faith in the approvers? Fine. I can go there. But if it's not a two way street for both of us, we're not going to get there. If we don't trust the approvers and the approvers don't trust the cachers, then this mess isn't going to get any better.

 

Has Duane behaved badly in the past? You bet your sweet booty he has. I won't even begin to argue that. On the other hand, there's a question with a possible admin with a history of "cheating". There's also a question with an admin who would close threads and warn people for behaving in the same way that he was behaving at the same time.

 

Someone has to lead the way and clear this mess up. It'll either be forgiveness and trust or it'll be badmouthing and insults and a lot of threads closing.

 

You can choose which it's going to be and I'll be the first to admit that even if you choose forgiveness and trust, there's going to be a bunch of jerks here that don't follow your lead.

 

But if you choose the path of distrust, all you're going to see is a lot more of the same. And there won't be much you can do to stop it.

 

You set the standard. We may not live up to it. But you're the ones who have to decide what it is.

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REALLY? Who's got that picture of a dead horse. Unless I missed something this thread hasn't achived anything. By my count, Duane hasn't decided anything. Nothing has changed since this thread was started. My attitude towards no one or anything has changed. No enlightenment, no ruffled feathers. I was entertained but that dwindled out like a wet candle <psssst> about page 3 1/3.

 

Let this floundering fish die a natural death. Let's discuss something that matters, like banning micro caches. :unsure:

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:unsure:

 

Duane............

 

People in business try to NOT offend any of their customers. One offended customer can be the loss of many customers. If only makes good business sense. It seems to me that that carries over into other activities. You claim to be a strong advicate of geocaching. But you seem to have this need to push the offensive limits. There are many limits on all of our behavior. In small groups sometimes the limits are quite broad. The larger the group the narrower the limits. We can stand on the shoulds and oughts, but that's a dead end. The better approach is to adjust your behavior according to the acceptable limits of the group your communicating with. On a site as big a GC.com is the best thing is avoid questionable words completely, including user name. It's not hard to do.

 

I'm not offended by the terms you use, but I am offended my anybody that tries to push limits for the purpose of should or to offend.

 

If you really care about geocaching as much as you say you do you'll change in such a manner as to stop offending. If you don't change you'll be telling us all that all you're interested in is prosecuting your own agenda to the detrement of geocaching.

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I thought maybe I could offer Duane an out of all this mess...he didn't take me up on it, so that's history.

 

People keep posting to this thread, all though it's beating a dead horse. Why is that? Apparently Duane derives the most attention from the replies. Kinda reminds me of the pirates.

 

Just sorta curious as why everyone keeps getting sucked into this? I mean all possible responses have been given. Why keep feeding him?

 

El Diablo

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Its easier to change a username than it is a double standard.

:unsure:

There is no double standard. Travel Bugs are not approved (as has been pointed out several times in this topic). Unless someone reports it or makes a forum topic about it then it most likely will go on with that name until it is reported. If it were left as is after being reported then there may be a double standard, but the site emailed the user as soon as it was pointed out.

 

This all may be a previously unknown flaw in the system, but it is hardly a double standard.

Unless COADMIN HIMSELF, emailed the Tbug owner (Which he didnt), and asked to correct the Tbug name at the SAME time as Duane was edited without notification, there is a double standard.

In this case the TBug was the disease and duanes post the symptom. It is catagorically a double standard for COADMIN to edit Duane and leave the origional offending Tbug problem to be taken care of by Mtn-Man AFTER a stink is raised in the forums.

 

Travel Bugs are not approved (as has been pointed out several times in this topic).  Unless someone reports it or makes a forum topic about it then it most likely will go on with that name until it is reported.

Obviously COADMIN saw Duanes post and the Tbug at the same time AND failed to address the TBug issue with equal timeliness and concern.

As much as I hate to perpetuate this, I would like to give some actual facts as opposed to Ish-n-Isha's assumptions in their post.

 

I did not email the owner of the travel bug. I did exactly what I suggested earlier in this topic for anyone that has an objection to the name of a travel bug or cache, ect. I emailed the site, and sent a message to Hydee in particular. She told me that she was already on it and had already emailed the TBug owner. Obviously someone had already alerted her and at the time I had figured that it was CO Admin that did. I won't make any baseless assumptions as Ish-n-Isha have. I never asked who alerted her so I honestly don't know whether he did or not.

 

I am a cache reviewer and a forum moderator. As far as the name of a TBug goes, that is not a decision for me to make. I just did what any other user of the site should do -- I reported it. It is up to the site to take care of that and the other reviewers and moderators know that very well.

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QUOTE (mtn-man @ Jun 3 2004, 12:51 PM)

QUOTE (Pto @ Jun 3 2004, 04:39 PM)

Its easier to change a username than it is a double standard.

 

 

There is no double standard. Travel Bugs are not approved (as has been pointed out several times in this topic). Unless someone reports it or makes a forum topic about it then it most likely will go on with that name until it is reported. If it were left as is after being reported then there may be a double standard, but the site emailed the user as soon as it was pointed out.

 

This all may be a previously unknown flaw in the system, but it is hardly a double standard. 

 

Unless COADMIN HIMSELF, emailed the Tbug owner (Which he didnt), and asked to correct the Tbug name at the SAME time as Duane was edited without notification, there is a double standard.

In this case the TBug was the disease and duanes post the symptom. It is catagorically a double standard for COADMIN to edit Duane and leave the origional offending Tbug problem to be taken care of by Mtn-Man AFTER a stink is raised in the forums.

 

QUOTE 

 

Travel Bugs are not approved (as has been pointed out several times in this topic).  Unless someone reports it or makes a forum topic about it then it most likely will go on with that name until it is reported. 

 

Obviously COADMIN saw Duanes post and the Tbug at the same time AND failed to address the TBug issue with equal timeliness and concern.

 

Everyone in these forums knows that I am target. All I know is my local DJ on the radio station says a lot more then the word chit. Anyway I just finished submitting my best cache yet. It took me all day (12 hours) to get this awesome cache together. There is over $200.00 worth of stuff in the cache. My dad and step mom donated cash and stamps to make this cache the best around. I just hope my user name doesn't stop a cacher from going to find this one. :o lololololol

 

This cache is a FIVE STAR all the way around....... Good luck

 

P.S. El Diablo

 

I will go ahead and just pay for the hiking staff. I will even pay extra if you ingrave UPINYACHIT in it. :unsure:

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All I know is my local DJ on the radio station says a lot more then the word chit. 

 

No they don't.

 

YES THEY DO>>>>>>89.5 the rev Pueblo CO. Check it out for yourself. It's the number 1 college radio station.

 

If you are tired of being a target, quit poking your head up here, go share your new cache with the locals, and put this posting to bed.

 

You are the one who posted to it, so maybe you should go to bed. LOLOLOL :unsure:

 

UPINYACHIT

:o

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Anyway I just finished submitting my best cache yet. It took me all day (12 hours) to get this awesome cache together. There is over $200.00 worth of stuff in the cache. My dad and step mom donated cash and stamps to make this cache the best around. I just hope my user name doesn't stop a cacher from going to find this one. :unsure: lololololol

 

This cache is a FIVE STAR all the way around....... Good luck

Are you trying to get me to make a special trip up there?

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All I know is my local DJ on the radio station says a lot more then the word chit.

No they don't.

 

If you are tired of being a target, quit poking your head up here, go share your new cache with the locals, and put this posting to bed.

101 WRIF, Detroit. Drew and Mike in the morning! Chit is so passe! :unsure:

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All I know is my local DJ on the radio station says a lot more then the word chit.

No they don't.

I won't even begin to repeat the things I heard on morning radio driving out of Denver towards the campout.

 

That being said, public standards differ everywhere. If Duane's use of the "c-word" is unacceptable here, then it's unacceptable here. I'm even willing to agree that his name is grandfathered in, but the rest of it needs to go if that's the "official" word.

 

Meanwhile Duane, it's about time you ended all this "I'm being picked on" BS. If you aren't being picked on then you're just annoying everyone for no good reason. If you are being picked on then whining about it is just going to make it worse. Just suck it up and get on with life. Groundspeak isn't the only geocaching game in town and if they're not going to give you the trust and support you feel you deserve as a customer then you need to start submitting your caches to some other site instead and support that other site and quit complaining about it here.

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Meanwhile Duane, it's about time you ended all this "I'm being picked on" BS. If you aren't being picked on then you're just annoying everyone for no good reason. If you are being picked on then whining about it is just going to make it worse. Just suck it up and get on with life. Groundspeak isn't the only geocaching game in town and if they're not going to give you the trust and support you feel you deserve as a customer then you need to start submitting your caches to some other site instead and support that other site and quit complaining about it here.

 

Thanks Bons that sums it up in a nutshell.

 

Upinyachit

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