Banned Memberships?

[+Shanediver]

I have noticed talk of banned members in the forums and logs. One guy is pretty hot about it. What kind of behavior warrants getting your account banned?

[+Renegade Knight]

stealing caches, reccomending that everyones caches be archived, personal attacks on a cacher.

[+TEAM 360]

Probably posting a certain pic of Saddam would do it...

[+rusty_tlc]

Lets find out.

[+Team GPSaxophone]

Probably posting a certain pic of Saddam would do it...

I didn't get banned, only moderated

[+Criminal]

Asking too many questions will get you banned...

[+briansnat]

Repeated violations of the TOS.

Edited May 20, 2004 by briansnat

[+Mopar]

Repeated violations of the TOS.

Yea, but it's like 2 negative words make a positive; keep violating them after you get banned and you might get unbanned.

[Broncoholics]

I have noticed talk of banned members in the forums and logs. One guy is pretty hot about it. What kind of behavior warrants getting your account banned?

 

I can't say too much from the peanut gallery. Just watch your p's and q's.

 

Duane

Upinyachit

[WH]

I have never had my warning guage go above zero. So just do what I do

[+Renegade Knight]

There are Forum Banned and Banned from GC.com banned.

[+sept1c_tank]

The forum banned are the funniest!

[+Gorak]

The forum banned are the funniest!

Especially when they take TPTB's advise and create their own sandbox.

[+Bull Moose]

Although from one member I see floating around here, being banned ain't what it used to be.

[+cache_us_if_you_can]

Probably posting a certain pic of Saddam would do it...

I didn't get banned, only moderated

CO

 

[+Shanediver]

Saddam picture? I guess I missed that one, but now my curiosity is peaked...

[+cache_us_if_you_can]

There are Forum Banned and Banned from GC.com banned.

Don't forget boy band

[Radman Forever]

wasn't there a group that was banned for logging false TB movements?

[+astrojr1&GGGal]

What about a Bug napper? We heard of one such individual in Florida who takes bugs and doesn't log or pass them on. Apparently he had collected a great number of bugs so he has been getting away with it for quite a while.

[+SixDogTeam]

Is there some kind of trial that takes place, with candles, and guys in black hoods?

[+briansnat]

wasn't there a group that was banned for logging false TB movements?

 

False TB movements, and hundreds of fake finds. Yippe! Yahoo, they banned them!

Edited May 23, 2004 by briansnat

[mckee]

Asking too many questions will get you banned...

Expressing an opinion that runs contrary to TPTB can get you banned. God forbid you hold a contrary opinion.

[+Mopar]

Asking too many questions will get you banned...

Expressing an opinion that runs contrary to TPTB can get you banned. God forbid you hold a contrary opinion.

It can? Who did that happen to?

[+hikemeister]

Not this again! This is like major deja vu. Try looking this subject up on earlier posts.

[+Riddlers]

wasn't there a group that was banned for logging false TB movements?

 

False TB movements, and hundreds of fake finds. Yippe! Yahoo, they banned them!

Please tell me that it is true. I have hoped that there was some punishment for stealing caches and TBs. Banned from the forum? But how do you ban them from looking at cache pages? Can you ban someone from using a web page? Can't they just create another name and still log on? I still don't understand how to regulate someone.

[+briansnat]

Expressing an opinion that runs contrary to TPTB can get you banned. God forbid you hold a contrary opinion

 

Interesting, I've expressed contrary opinions many times and I'm still here. Heck, 7,500+ post and I've even yet to get a notch on my warn meter.

 

In fact I see dozens of post every day that question TPTB and the posters are still here. Kindly provide one instance of someone being banned simply for for expressing an opinion that differs from, or is critical of TBTB. I'm waiting.

 

Please tell me that it is true. I have hoped that there was some punishment for stealing caches and TBs. Banned from the forum? But how do you ban them from looking at cache pages? Can you ban someone from using a web page? Can't they just create another name and still log on? I still don't understand how to regulate someone.

 

Their account can be banned, and if their ISP uses static addresses, they can be blocked from using the site from their home computer. Even if they create a new name they can't get in. They'll have to create a new name and go to the library, or a friends house. They can make it tough, but not impossible to get to the site.

Edited May 24, 2004 by briansnat

[+Gorak]

Kindly provide one instance of someone being banned simply for for expressing an opinion that differs from, or is critical of TBTB. I'm waiting.

Jomarac5

[+briansnat]

Jomarac5

 

You are obviously uninformed. There was a lot more involved than a simple contrary opinion or two. And I'm not talking about cache thievery either.

[+Gorak]

Jomarac5

 

You are obviously uninformed. There was a lot more involved than a simple contrary opinion or two. And I'm not talking about cache thievery either.

Lots of contrary opinions still amounts to being banned for contrary opinions. And I am well informed as to the matter because I was involved.

 

So why don't you talk about cache thievery? Are you accusing J5 of stealing caches? Or are you referring to Cap'n Urchin who tampered with caches with the full prior knowledge and permission of the cache owners? Maybe you can enlighten the "uninformed"...

[+SerenityNow]

A buggnapper was banned here in Northeast Ohio for kidnapping travel bugs, demanding that the owner supply him with a cache and its contents, and then listing that cache as his/her own. The napper did put the TB in the cache after it was placed and he listed it. One cacher refused to play along with this nonsence, reported him, and the bugnapper got banned but that cachers TB was never recovered.

 

You can view the one cache he managed to place as a result of his ransom technique by checking out GCH8WX Ellie's Ransom

Edited May 25, 2004 by SerenityNow

[+briansnat]

Or are you referring to Cap'n Urchin who tampered with caches with the full prior knowledge and permission of the cache owners?

 

Not in the beginning he didn't. He only changed his methods after the uproar he created.

[+Mopar]

So why don't you talk about cache thievery?  Are you accusing J5 of stealing caches?  Or are you referring to Cap'n Urchin who tampered with caches with the full prior knowledge and permission of the cache owners?  Maybe you can enlighten the "uninformed"...

So you're saying Cap'n Urchin has nothing to do with J5. And all the caches Cap'n Urchin "tampered with" had the owner's prior permission to do so. Gotcha.

Thanks for enlightening us to the "facts".

 

Besides, sure looks like J5 is alive and well and geocaching via this site, so I guess he isn't banned from the site, just from the forums. Whoever wasn't here last year can wade thru the posts and related threads and read all his contributions that we are now missing out on.

Edited May 25, 2004 by Mopar

[+Gorak]

So you're saying Cap'n Urchin has nothing to do with J5. And all the caches Cap'n Urchin "tampered with" had the owner's prior permission to do so. Gotcha.

Thanks for enlightening us to the "facts".

That's not what I said. Cap'n Urchin was multiple people and, yes, J5 was involved. That's pretty common knowledge. And with the exception of the very first cache that was offset, all subsequent caches that were "tampered" with were done with the cache owners prior knowledge and permission. In some cases, it was done at the cache owner's request. Cap'n Urchin learned from his mistake on that first cache.

 

Since you obviously have a different version of the "facts" surrounding Cap'n Urchin, perhaps you can enlighten us as to your version of the events?

 

Edit: fixed typo

Edited May 25, 2004 by Gorak

[+Mopar]

Cap'n Urchin who tampered with caches with the full prior knowledge and permission of the cache owners?

And with the exception of the very first cache that was offset, all subsequent caches that were "tampered" with were done with the cache owners prior knowledge and permission. In some cases, it was done at the cache owner's request. Cap'n Urchin learned from his mistake on that first cache.

Ok, so first Cap'n Urchin (who is/was/isn't J5) Had full permission, then you say he had full permission AFTER he plundered (yea, "tampered" is a nice sanitary word, but lets stick with the pirate theme running here), one without that permission you first said he had. GOTCHA.

Besides, I don't remember anyone in this thread saying J5 stole any caches, (that's a job for a different banned BC cacher), so what so far is inaccurate?

 

Besides, like I said, it doesn't appear to me that he's been banned from using the geocaching website (the topic of discussion here). You stated he was banned for "expressing an opinion that differs from, or is critical of TBTB". I'd like to read that thread.

Edited May 25, 2004 by Mopar

[+Gorak]

Ok, so first Cap'n Urchin (who is/was/isn't J5) Had full permission, then you say he had full permission AFTER he plundered (yea, "tampered" is a nice sanitary word, but lets stick with the pirate theme running here), one without that permission you first said he had.

 

Besides, I don't remember anyone in this thread saying J5 stole any caches, (that's a job for a different banned BC cacher), so what so far is inaccurate?

What is inaccurate is your assertion that I stated J5 had nothing to do with Cap'n Urchin.

 

Tampered or plundered, call it what you want. For those who weren't around at the time, the cache contents (with the exception of the log book) were relocated to another cache within 50m of the original. A note and map to the new cache were included in the original cache. The finder was instructed to locate the new cache, return the original cache contents to the original cache, and keep the new cache container to create their own cache with. Before Cap'n Urchin retired, at least 4 new caches were created using Cap'n Urchin's cache containers. The note also mentioned that if the finder did not want to seek the offset cache, they could just sign the logbook and leave the note and new offset cache for the next finder.

 

It is also no secret, and well documented, that Cap'n Urchin's first attempt at this game involved a popular moving cache. The next finder did not open the cache before driving off with it so did not notice that it had been tampered/plundered/"Urchined". What started out as an attempt at a light-hearted twist on the game turned into a big controversy, largely do to the fact that the finder and the cache owner were Zuuky and MrGigabyte respectively (not the biggest fans of J5) and the fact that there was another band of pirates in Washington state that were actually stealing caches and TB's. The latter reason is largely why Cap'n Urchin retired shortly afterward.

 

The lesson learned immediately was that permission of the cache owner was absolutely required and that moving caches did not make the most suitable targets. So Cap'n Urchin is guilty of making a mistake on his first attempt. Big deal. Subsequent "plunders" were well received by the affected finders and cache owners, but of course that seemed to have gotten lost in the initial controversy.

 

You are obviously uninformed. There was a lot more involved than a simple contrary opinion or two. And I'm not talking about cache thievery either.

I believe this alludes to J5 stealing caches. If that was not the intent of the statement, then my apologies to briansnat for jumping to that conclusion.

 

Any other "facts" that you believe I may have left out?

[ju66l3r]

Just wanted to point out that J5 has some real problems with *how* he has contrary views to TPTB here. That's what got him forum banned.

 

I have contrary views to a lot of how TPTB handle the data and source for the site and I put it out in the open every time I see a reason to do so. Jeremy hates me when it comes to all of that and chooses to bin me as an uninformed a**.

 

I still have a 0% warn rating and haven't even received a note about my comments (except for the kudos from people who have felt the same as me).

 

You can easily be contrary and still not come close to being banned.

 

BTW - "Banned from GC.com Banned"....is that like the Dept. of Redundancy Dept?

Edited May 25, 2004 by ju66l3r

[+flask]

Is there some kind of trial that takes place, with candles, and guys in black hoods?

i was in an organization that invloved candles and robes. oddly enough, the ritual for expelling someone was oddly anticlimactic.

 

at some date following the business meeting at which the hearing was held (yes, a business meeting), we assembled a quorum and had a special meeting for the sole purpose of the following ritual:

 

we took out the book of members, turned to the appropriate page, and with a ruler and a red pen drew a neat line through the person's name. book closed, end of ritual. no candles, no costumes, no speeches.

 

by the way, if you're respectful when you disagree and use appropriate language and don't make personal threats or attacks, you don't get banned.

 

if you get on here and whine frequently about how nobody likes you, nobody does like you. if you do it often enough and rudely enough, they ban you just to shut you up (speculation).

 

if you are very very rude and whine loudly and frequently and make yourself enough of a pain, they will ban you.

 

nobody likes me. the approvers treat me badly. everything is run wrong. i should be able to do anything i want. by not allowing me to make personal attacks, you are discriminating againdst my point of view. the approvers are too slow. the approvers ignore my emails. the approvers have not responded quickly enough to my whining. the approvers only denied my explosives n' pornography cache because i complained about them. the moderators only moderate me and people who agree with me. i hate you, i hate you, i hate you! i hate you all! (big finale, stomping feet)... I'M NEVER COMING HERE AGAIN! I'M ARCHIVING ALL OF MY CACHES AND PUTTING THEM UP ON ANOTHER SITE!

 

...can i come back now?

Edited May 25, 2004 by flask

[+sept1c_tank]

I suspect

that most of those who are banned from the forums

have not had their feelings hurt.

[+briansnat]

I have contrary views to a lot of how TPTB handle the data and source for the site and I put it out in the open every time I see a reason to do so. Jeremy hates me when it comes to all of that and chooses to bin me as an uninformed a**.

 

I still have a 0% warn rating and haven't even received a note about my comments.

 

by the way, if you're respectful when you disagree and use appropriate language and don't make personal threats or attacks, you don't get banned.

 

You got it...NOBODY gets banned for criticizing, or expressing an opinion contrary to TPTB. But its the manner you do so that can get you banned.

 

Constant baiting of Jeremy and the admins, rudeness, personal attacks and similar actions will get you banned from the forums...usually after a number of warnings. Even then, they will usually restore your forum privledges after a period of time. Once privledges are restored, you are usually on a shorther leash. People like J5, Solohiker and a few others just didn't get it.