Caches To Discourage Plundering

20.7k · May 18, 2004

Man, you have got to start sprinkling smileys into your posts. You're freaking me out.

May 18, 2004

This is expensive, but it would work...

Make a new cache at the end of a long seldom traveled dirt road. Take Cabela's Game-Vu Camera and conceal it where the cacher's car is likely to pass. Aim the camera to get the tag. It's digital and time delay-able. You'd get them coming and going, time and date stamped, IR if you want it. The legit cachers will log the cache online so you could match up log with image and voila', the guilty party is revealed.

Too expensive though.

May 31, 2004

I say make a multi, and advirtise a Very expensive FTF prize. Have the second to last step say to email you for coordinates. In your reply email, give them a window, so that you can place the final stage, as it is in a muggle prone area. Then wait with a law enforcement officer and a baseball bat.

Another possibility is that a muggle knows to look for GPSr's and follows cachers very stealthily, and plunders when they have left. Theres my two cents

May 31, 2004

speaking of a baseball bat if you are looking for somethg allmost completely off topic this might be it.

May 31, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

May 31, 2004

Relax. Did you think we where really assault someone? Man and I thought I go on tangents but I see It is nothing compared to yours.

May 31, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

EDIT:

(Took out all the stuff I had to say that would have got me a warning.)

One word, PROZAC!

Edited May 31, 2004 by Destitute

2.2k · May 31, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

sheesh! LIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!!!

2.2k · June 1, 2004

ah america the land of the nutter with a right to carry a 45. happy caching

1.7k · June 1, 2004

As far as the DVD cache goes, try turning it into a multi in a big park. There is a multi in my area with 4 stages and requires 4 miles of hiking. That should make someone who plunders think twice.

When I lived in Orlando, FL we had a problem with a cache pirate. The only thing we could do locally was give them a few months, eventually they lost interest.

3.8k · June 1, 2004

June 1, 2004

ah america the land of the nutter with a right to carry a 45. happy caching

Are you saying that everyone in America is a nut, or that everyone who carries a gun is a nut? Either way, what a great job at generalizing people. :rolleyes: Making friends and influencing people the nobby.nobbs way!

--RuffRidr

38.2k · June 1, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

Relax dude. Do you actually think anybody is serious? They're just venting their frustration. :rolleyes:

geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage.

Interesting definition, but quite the opposite of what I've experienced. Personally, taking a 5 mike hike to search for a geocache doesn't fit my definition of loitering. Nor is a nicely stocked ammo box, filled with $25 worth of stuff, garbage in my dictionary. I guess I'll have to re-read the dictionary, or are you just using a different one from the rest of us?

Edited June 1, 2004 by briansnat

June 1, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

Ummm...mind telling us where the heck you cache at, so we can all stay away.

my goodness. if you don't yet know the difference between lighthearted venting and silliness vs. real malice....well, nm. nuff said.

edited to add, oh wait, Idaho does have CWP laws, btw. so, gosh, I hope you have one...because backpacks count.

namaste

Edited June 1, 2004 by norbu

June 1, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

WOW! Nice first post. Welcome to the forum!

'...all YOU cachers...' - ? Seems like a slightly distancing phrase for someone using the name 'powercacher'.

Let me change what I said above - welcome to caching. Perhaps a little more reading in the forum, before getting heated about a style of posting that everyone else seems to see for what it is, might be a good idea? There is a difference between bile and BS. BS-ing on here might even stop the buildup of bile to the level where someone might go out and ACTUALLY bury a cache pirate up to his neck in a fire ant nest and pour a jar of honey over his head.

See what I mean? Uh-oh, I should explain, that was a sort of an illustration, I don't think it will happen in a literal way. Now do you see what I mean?

If so, welcome to the forum.....

If not, well, it's at your own risk I guess!

2.2k · June 2, 2004

or i could have meant that in america if you're a nut you still have the right to carry lethal weaponry. but if you feel happy with that who am i to criticise?

just seemed a little extreme reaction ,even if meant as a joke, to what is frustrating but not the end ofthe world. i've had a cache go missing. my thoughts are they mostly go either because no permission obtained or by kids who don't know better. i really hope that there aren't people who's idea of fun is to remove and collect tupperware boxes full of nothing much really. surely no one's that sad?

don't be so quick to take offense you'll know when i'm trying to insult someone.

38.2k · June 2, 2004

i really hope that there aren't people who's idea of fun is to remove and collect tupperware boxes full of nothing much really. surely no one's that sad?

Unfortunately, there are a lot of sad cases out there and some enjoy stealing Tupperware and ammo boxes. Thankfully, most get bored with it quickly and move on to stealing purses from little old ladies.

June 2, 2004

Maybe "powercacher" is the cache theif and just wants us to fear taking action to protect our community property! DUUUN DUUUUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!

Another thing, who said I was going to use the baseball bat to attack? Perhaps it was a suggestion of self defence? Criminals don't just give up when caught. Perhaps there are a group of them and the officer needs a little help??

BTW my life is worth protecting something that I believe is right, even if it is just as simple as a cache.

Try to keep it peaceful in these here forums yall!

August 12, 2004

How about a lojack device...or using an exploding dye pack like they use at the bank.

August 12, 2004

I think it would be a great idea to get a metal container and chain it to a tree. Then put a combination lock on the cache and it could only be opened if you knew the combination numbers. Someone could email for the combination numbers if they wanted to hunt for the cache.

August 12, 2004

powercacher said:

"...do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time..."

Isn't this basically an admittion that he IS the plunderer?

:mad:

2.5k · August 12, 2004

Back to the more original topic of this post...

FYI, I'm not sure how many cachers would want to travel to a cache site, do most of the stages of a multi and then have to find out that they had to email someone for final cordinants and return to a site.

August 12, 2004

Two words: angry bees

24.7k · August 12, 2004

powercacher said:
"...do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time..."

Isn't this basically an admittion that he IS the plunderer?

If you read the post carefully you can also see that they imply they are willing to kill while stealing caches if a cache owner were so brazen as to actually follow through and whack the cache maggot upside the head if they caught him stealing caches.

August 12, 2004

So, we have received 2 pages of replies with maybe three useful or helpful ideas. Can't we do a little better than that?

The odds are that the looters are teenage boys (yes, like it or not) entertaining themselves . I don't think you would really want to attack a bunch of youngish delinquents with more than words (which would likely be enough) :mad: . Afterall, they are probably not thug types or they would be doing other deliquent acts for entertainment instead.

It sounds like harder hides have worked in the past.

Certainly the email idea, i.e., a two step "multi-cache" would be a deterent.

I like the motion sensor and close-to-home idea, but that might not work every well in some areas .

Has (have) the plunderer(s) visited the same cache site on more than one occation. If not, one could hide a cheep cache and then upgrade it after it was plundered. :mad:

I sure wouldn't hide a cache of DVDs until the cach looting subsided. Surely the delinquents will eventually get borred with cache looting, grow up, and move on to more lucrative activities.

Just some thoughts from a once-upon-a-time teenage boy. :lol:

August 12, 2004

Two observations. First, the OP is dated 5/13/04. I'm curious to know if the cache pirate has gotten bored and moved on, and whether the dvd cache ever came to pass.

Second (and this should go without saying , but hey, I'm a lawyer), although the man trap (and bear trap!) ideas are mostly people venting their frustration, and are not to be taken seriously, for those of you that don't know and missed the sarcasm, it is illegal to make a weapon that fires by triggering devise or is otherwise mechanically operated, even to keep someone from breaking into your house. (Imagine the fireman coming in to rescue your child only to find that a shotgun was rigged to the door!) Not even nuts in American can get away with that. No booby trapping caches!

4.8k · August 12, 2004

You can always make them huge. This one weighs in at about 600+ pounds including the concrete base

I like a man with a big cache!

So size does matter then

My cache idea has been pretty effective in stopping plunderers:

Then again, it's also slowed down legitimage cachers from logging finds too :lol:

I'm not sure chaining it to rocks and trees would be very effective in stopping determined plunderers. A set of bolt cutters would make short work of that type of thing.

August 13, 2004

I wonder, if you were to place it on private property and cement it into the ground and place a lock on it... make it a multi...you have to find the combo to it and the cache cant go anywhere.

Niss

2.7k · August 13, 2004

You can always make them huge. This one weighs in at about 600+ pounds including the concrete base

I like a man with a big cache!

So size does matter then

My cache idea has been pretty effective in stopping plunderers:

Then again, it's also slowed down legitimage cachers from logging finds too

I'm not sure chaining it to rocks and trees would be very effective in stopping determined plunderers. A set of bolt cutters would make short work of that type of thing.

looks like it didn't stop the "artists" though.

August 13, 2004

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

Youre taking this thing way too literally dude(or dudette) if you think that us passive geocachers are going to physically assault someone...your in the wrong sport...take up Judo or something

August 13, 2004

another thing...i check this "powercacher"'s profile and hes got 4 finds!!!! all urban except for one and even that one does't look like it warrants a .45 calibre to protect oneself...sheesh is right

August 13, 2004

How urban?

August 13, 2004

Like right off the highway urban...look at his stats

August 13, 2004

I know it's only sarcasm and harmless thinking,BUT, you lot are scaring even me and i'm a zillion miles away down here in oz(Australia) :lol: :mad: :mad:

2.1k · August 13, 2004

I fully appreciate the frustrtation of losing the content of a cache or the whole thing - I have been watching this thread for a while now and thinking about the law that I hope you all know about - and I know much of this was just blowing off at that frustration.

Booby traps are illegal - evan against criminals -

there was a case of a farmer who got tired of one of his rental houses being broken into all the time. Set up a shotgun to blast the legs of someone coming in the window. Got a high school kit - yup he was looking to rip off the house - but sued and got the farm. Farmer went to jail - Sucks but that's the law.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

June 12, 2005

:lol:

Hell Yeah!

June 12, 2005

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

Its him/her!!! This is the cache pirate!!! LOL

June 13, 2005

Cameras are nice but expensive and they too can be ripped off.

How's this for an idea:

Hide a physical cache in the viewing range of an existing webcam but leave that little bit of information off the cache page. Then you could sit back at home and watch ALL the cachers do their thing and most likely get a few good laughs at those cachers trying to be stealthy.

June 13, 2005

Switch to cheap log only micros and replace them as fast as he can take them!! He will get tired of that

June 13, 2005

It appears that this plunderer is taking any cache contents and container that is not to difficult for him/her to access. It does not matter whether it is a full size cache or a micro. One idea that Renegade Knight and I have been pondering was mentioned above. We would list the cache with phony coordinates. In order to get the correct coordinates the prospective finder would have to email one of us through geo-caching.com. We could then look at their profile and decide whether to send them the correct coordinates or not. Unfortunately this would eliminate any new cacher, though I suppose they could have a sponsor. One of the reasons we have been talking about this is that I am planning on hiding a cache of DVD's. A DVD library where finders could trade DVD's they have already watched for new ones. Since this is going to required a fairly good sized investment on my part I would rather it did not disappear as soon as I put it out.

Well start making them very long Multi-Cache and the DVD cache sounds cool but there would be no trading just the hole thing being taken. Put alot of little caches like one or two dvds in then then have them e-mail you send them a list or have it on the cache page, they say what they want you tell them where it is. It may work!!

June 13, 2005

I refer you to a topic I started....

June 13, 2005

all this talk in this thread about physical assult makes me sick!! geocaching is basically a bunch of loiterers walking around looking for garbage. if all you cachers want to physically assult someone, maybe the law enforcement will be to arrest you, the one who does the assulting.

another thing, do you suppose that anyone plundering caches is defenseless? personally, i carry a loaded 45 calibre in my pack all the time in case of wild animal danger and for self defense. You better be careful about assulting someone, you never know what weapons they have available. law enforcment takes personal assult much more serious than plundering $5 garbage pail........

something to think about that all you so called geocachers are missing the point....... is your life worth a $5 garbage pail if you decide to assult someone? THINK PEOPLE and don't get yourselves hurt....... it's not worth it!!!

Over a year has passed since this thread started,

is it still a problem?

Interesting that powercacher lives in the Idaho Falls area, near the OP

1.7k · June 13, 2005

Make it a multi- In my limited experience with trashed or stolen caches they were all findable without a GPSr., Which lead me to believe that one or two sets of coordinates added to the find would serve to protect the cache.

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