Bm Disk Set In A Tree?

[Z15]

This is a first for me, never seen anything like this one in my 30 yrs. I think I am going to see if I can find the tree, unless its been logged out.

 

The NGS Data SheetSee file dsdata.txt for more information about the datasheet.DATABASE = Sybase ,PROGRAM = datasheet, VERSION = 7.00

1 National Geodetic Survey, Retrieval Date = MAY 6, 2004

RL1335 ***********************************************************************

RL1335 DESIGNATION - U 135

RL1335 PID - RL1335

RL1335 STATE/COUNTY- MI/ONTONAGON

RL1335 USGS QUAD - ALDRIDGE CREEK (1981)

RL1335

RL1335 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL

RL1335 ___________________________________________________________________

RL1335* NAD 83(1986)- 46 44 59. (N) 089 41 59. (W) SCALED

RL1335* NAVD 88 - 359.375 (meters) 1179.05 (feet) ADJUSTED

RL1335 ___________________________________________________________________

RL1335 GEOID HEIGHT- -30.71 (meters) GEOID03

RL1335 DYNAMIC HT - 359.415 (meters) 1179.18 (feet) COMP

RL1335 MODELED GRAV- 980,711.4 (mgal) NAVD 88

RL1335

RL1335 VERT ORDER - SECOND CLASS 0

RL1335

RL1335.The horizontal coordinates were scaled from a topographic map and have

RL1335.an estimated accuracy of +/- 6 seconds.

RL1335

RL1335.The orthometric height was determined by differential leveling

RL1335.and adjusted by the National Geodetic Survey in June 1991.

RL1335

RL1335.The geoid height was determined by GEOID03.

RL1335

RL1335.The dynamic height is computed by dividing the NAVD 88

RL1335.geopotential number by the normal gravity value computed on the

RL1335.Geodetic Reference System of 1980 (GRS 80) ellipsoid at 45

RL1335.degrees latitude (g = 980.6199 gals.).

RL1335

RL1335.The modeled gravity was interpolated from observed gravity values.

RL1335

RL1335; North East Units Estimated Accuracy

RL1335;SPC MI N - 222,070. 7,793,770. MT (+/- 180 meters Scaled)

RL1335

RL1335 SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL

RL1335

RL1335 NGVD 29 (??/??/92) 359.394 (m) 1179.11 (f) ADJ UNCH 2 0

RL1335

RL1335.Superseded values are not recommended for survey control.

RL1335.NGS no longer adjusts projects to the NAD 27 or NGVD 29 datums.

RL1335.See file dsdata.txt to determine how the superseded data were derived.

RL1335

RL1335_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 16TBS938808(NAD 83)

RL1335_MARKER: DB = BENCH MARK DISK

RL1335_SETTING: 30 = WHITE PINE TREE

RL1335_STAMPING: U 135 1948

RL1335_STABILITY: D = MARK OF QUESTIONABLE OR UNKNOWN STABILITY

RL1335

RL1335 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By

RL1335 HISTORY - 1948 MONUMENTED CGS

RL1335 HISTORY - 1955 MARK NOT FOUND USGS

RL1335

RL1335 STATION DESCRIPTION

RL1335

RL1335'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1948

RL1335'12.2 MI SW FROM SILVER CITY.

RL1335'ABOUT 2.6 MILES WEST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 107 FROM ITS INTERSECTION

RL1335'WITH STATE HIGHWAY 64 IN SILVER CITY, THENCE 4.5 MILES SOUTH ALONG

RL1335'THE NONESUCH MINE ROAD, THENCE 3.2 MILES WEST ALONG AN OLD ROAD

RL1335'TO A STREAM CROSSING AND THE END OF TRUCK TRAVEL, THENCE CONTINUING

RL1335'WEST ALONG A TRACTOR TRAIL LEADING TO THE WHITE PINE EXTENSION

RL1335'MINE 0.4 MILE TO THE JUNCTION OF THE TRACTOR TRAIL AND THE OLD

RL1335'NONESUCH MINE - WHITE PINE EXTENSION MINE ROAD, THENCE WEST ALONG

RL1335'THE TRACTOR TRAIL AND THE ROAD 1.45 MILES TO THE SITE OF THE MARK.

RL1335'THE MARK IS 0.6 MILE WEST OF LITTLE IRON RIVER AND 0.95 MILE EAST

RL1335'OF THE DUMP AT WHITE PINE EXTENSION MINE, 53 YARDS WEST OF A VERY

RL1335'SMALL STREAM CROSSING, 12 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE

RL1335'ROAD, 32.32 FEET EAST OF A SPIKE IN A TRIANGULAR BLAZE ON THE

RL1335'NORTH SIDE OF A 6-INCH ASH TREE, 43.36 FEET SOUTHWEST AND ACROSS

RL1335'THE ROAD FROM THE HEAD OF A SPIKE IN A TRIANGLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE

RL1335'OF A 12-INCH MAPLE TREE, ABOUT 4 FEET ABOVE THE GROUND, AND SET

RL1335'VERTICALLY IN A BLAZED AREA ON THE NORTH-NORTHWEST SIDE OF A

RL1335'33-INCH WHITE PINE TREE. NOTE-- A SMALL HOLE IN TREE AND IMPRESSION

RL1335'OF OUTSIDE RIM OF TABLET ARE EVIDENT, BUT TABLET IS MISSING.

RL1335

RL1335 STATION RECOVERY (1955)

RL1335

RL1335'RECOVERY NOTE BY US GEOLOGICAL SURVEY 1955

RL1335'MARK NOT FOUND.

Edited May 6, 2004 by elcamino

[+happycycler]

Very different! I would tend to agree that

MARK OF QUESTIONABLE OR UNKNOWN STABILITY

would apply to that one. Thank you for sharing that one. Edited May 7, 2004 by happycycler

[+Kewaneh & Shark]

VERT ORDER - SECOND CLASS 0

I can't recall ever seeing CLASS 0 either. I hope you find it. Keep us posted.

- Kewaneh

[+Colorado Papa]

I think I am going to see if I can find the tree, unless its been logged out.

If you find the tree, take a picture of where the mark once was and another from a few feet away. Will be interesting to try to understand the reasoning of ever placing a marker there? It's true that trees do grow from the top and a vertical location would certainly not move upward but it would shift horizonally as the tree aged. Definitely unstable!

[+Black Dog Trackers]

Here are a couple of old tree stations in Arizona that I foolishly looked for. These don't say that an actual disk was placed and are therefore less interesting than elcamino's station. They don't say what the marker was. I imagine there are a lot of these around. At the higher elevation one, people gazed at me out the window of the restaurant that replaced the Junipine store as I circled the parking lot and highway a couple of times looking for a big juniper tree that is long gone.

 

Just an old stump now, or maybe gone completely.

 

At the Junipine former store - no pic.

[+bons]

Would the disk move or would the tree just grow around it? It could be that the disk is there, but buried within the tree. With so many years gone by it could easily be surrounded by tree by now.

[Z15]

The tree would grow around the disk. Seen it many times with section corner witness's placed in tree's.

 

I am researching the area. There has been lots of mining in this area since 1948 and I don't know yet if I can get into the area. Its about 60 miles from my location and I may need the 4 wheeler to get there but I am going to see if I can. That tree should be very prominent if it still there. 33 inches in diameter, maybe it about 48 now?

[+Spoo]

Try this one......there are sveral similar in this sequence of numbers.....maybe an old road survey.

 

PF0297

 

Documented History (by the NGS)

Unknown by NHHD (MONUMENTED)

 

1/1/1936 by NGS (GOOD)

DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1936 6.5 MI SE FROM ERROL. ABOUT 6.5 MILES SOUTHEAST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 26 FROM ERROL, COOS COUNTY, ABOUT 1.5 MILES NORTHWEST OF THE MAINE-NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE LINE, 133 FEET NORTHEAST OF MOST NORTHWESTERLY UMBAGOG LAKE SIGN WITH AN ARROW, 24 FEET SOUTHWEST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HIGHWAY, AND IN THE ROOT OF A BLAZED 14-INCH TREE. A NAIL AND WASHER.

[Z15]

Spoo

 

I have seen 100's of those. It was very common for highway road construction surveys (what I did for 30 yrs) to set nails in tree roots. Also USGS often did that too. It was a cheap way to carry on the survey as many times they had to make due with what they could carry on their person.

 

Today its not a accepted practice due to having an embedded object that could later prove to be a big problem if someone cuts into the tree and hits the nail etc. Pieces would come out like a bullet if hit by power equipment.