+TheHawksNest Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I have been a GC member for about a year now, its a great way to get out and see the countryside, buy cool gadgets, and keep the kids busy. I love the sport aspect of it, and sometimes surf the message boards to check out cool pics of vehicles stuck, or cache mobiles, and also to get ideas about hides and hunts. My problem is.....The message boards have turned into nothing more than an internet chat room, use your MSN messenger to have lengthy conversations! Quit the pissing matches, if you don't like GC go somewhere else. There are plenty more cache sites out there, maybe start your own if you don't like what GC is doing. I would hate to see these people that do nothing more than complain and stir the pot destroy this hobby. People that place hides without permission, or put them in retarded locations are only giving the sport a bad name. This is why I don't mind virtual caches, they usually lead you to a location of interest and of historical value. I learn from them, and so do my kids. Lets all grow up here, kiss and make up.....move along to another place if you have to......don't destroy it for everyone else!! Thats my two and a half cents worth. End of discussion Link to comment
Keystone Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 In response to SaxMan's opinion -- and I respect his right to hold it and the sincerity in which it's held -- I must disagree. I think it's easiest if we all play by the same rules -- moderators and community members. Because I have the "power" to open any closed thread, I don't think it's fair for me to re-open threads closed by the topic originator, except in very rare cases where something needs to be said to correct a factual error, edit a post that violates the rules, or take some other moderator type action. I shouldn't reopen it simply to get the last word in, or to allow my friends to do so. Otherwise, how can we set an example for others to follow? If I can reopen a topic and say "nyah nyah, everyone disagreed with you" then what's to stop anyone else from reopening their own thread, or taking parting shots? Why doesn't *everyone* please just do what the moderators try to do (although we are not perfect). Close your topic with a brief statement that doesn't further the argument, but simply says that you are closing it because the original question was answered or it has strayed off-topic or the discussion seems to have run its course. And THEN... let it take a rest. Don't reopen it. Revisit the issue the next time the subject arises, which is usually just a week or two later anyways. Then, you might approach it with a slightly different perspective, if you took the time to read and learn from the prior topic. We learn best from those who hold different viewpoints. Link to comment
Keystone Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Update: Apparently my advice was poorly timed. The "Trial by Jury" topic has been closed. I didn't close it. Whoever did close it, they didn't leave a note to identify themselves. I could ask a forum admin to look it up, if I cared more. Anyhoo, let's not turn *this* topic into a continuation of the one which is now closed. This topic is limited to discussing the closing and reopening of forum threads. If you wish to talk about the particular example that triggered this thread, please go to the "Verdict" topic started by Corps of Discovery. Thank you. Link to comment
+Riddlers Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I am curious, if you didn't close it and UP didn't close it who else can? And don't they have to leave a note or something? Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I am curious, if you didn't close it and UP didn't close it who else can? And don't they have to leave a note or something? That's my point in the topic I linked to. Moderators should always leave a note saying why. It doesn't need to be verbose. I would say that Upinyac... closed it and didn't leave a note since most of the moderators do follow the advice I gave in my other thread. Link to comment
+Riddlers Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 maybe he is taking some advise from the other thread and hopes that it will drift off the active list and people will forget about it. Link to comment
+Geo Ho Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 I got it . . . Can I get the last word in . . . please??? WORD Link to comment
+Harrald Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Once again Deja Vu all over again. Link to comment
+TEAM 360 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Not a parting shot. Just closed the topic. Get over it. Link to comment
CoyoteRed Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Just as I was composing a reply to this thread, the OP locked it. What is with that? This is what my response was: Personally, I was confused by RK's question--mainly because I don't know the context in which it was in the other therad. In my mind, "credentials" and "citizen" is two different things. "Geocaching credentials" would mean the elements of what gives someone the authority to proclaim he is a geocacher. Not just talking the talk, but walking the walk. A "good geocaching citizen" would mean something completely different. It would be a geocacher who is helpful and looks out for others and the hobby. Someone like COA describes is a perfect example. Not trying to put words in his mouth, but Harrolds's statement "Someone that has shown an ability to be a member of something without trying to force it to bend to his will." sounds to me like someone who can get along with the group and not try to change the group to fit their definition. Actually, if that is what he is trying to say, then I think that would work for being a good citizen. It's something that I've felt as newbies come in and seem to try to change how things have been done. (Okay, I'm guilty, but I was learning. At least I wasn't obstinate about it even after it was explained why things are the way they are.) Why would someone be censured for giving his opinion? Maybe, I'm just not seeing it. I really wish people wouldn't do that! Link to comment
+Mopar Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Here I go agreeing with CR again! Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 deja who? deja moo The feeling you've seen this bull before. Note: Not directed at Mopar or any specific person. Link to comment
+Cherokeecacher Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 deja who? deja moo The feeling you've seen this bull before. Note: Not directed at Mopar or any specific person. Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 deja who? deja moo The feeling you've seen this bull before. Note: Not directed at Mopar or any specific person. Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I don't understand why anyone has the authority to lock and unlock their own threads anyway. This is the first forum on the internet I have ever seen giving members that feature. You have the ability so that if the question is answered or the thread has been derailed beyond recovery you can put it out of it's misery. That you can unarchve a thread so to speak is just funny given the topic that brought up this question. It's anti-American, fer Gods sake. Smacks of Commonism, to me, maybe even a totalization society. Freedom of speech is being impailled. Someone suggested "ban"; I think that's too mild. Burned at the stake is a more fitting penalope. Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) Oops. Doubled up on that. Guess I got carried awash. Edited July 22, 2004 by Alan2 Link to comment
+woody_k Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Mopar, Yep I did the same thing just the other day. I did so for a few reasons one it was ready to get out of hand, it was the same stuff being rehashed and three it got personal. However I learned a lot about this forum and what I will keep quiet cuz I am sure to get flamed. Ken Link to comment
+Harrald Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 It feels Deja Vu again. Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 This topic is 6 months old, Harrald. Are you just trying to stir up trouble? If that's the case, "mopar" to ya. Actually, I see nothing wrong with taking a parting shot and then getting out of town, but that's MHO. Link to comment
+jeff35080 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I was also kinda thinking 'bout bumping this thread..... but I see Mopar beat me to it. Link to comment
rasntrumpet Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Mr Guinness will be calling shortly. 261 posts in less than 24 hours and you closed the topic. Now 76 ... 77 ... 78.... 79... posts to a topic about the topic. Are we looking at a new record? Mr Guinness. Oh, Mr. Guinness. LOL Link to comment
+RuffRidr Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 bump The original topic was starting to get way off track and was degenerating rapidly. Anyway, he reopened it just for you. Time to throw in your $.02. --RuffRidr Link to comment
+Jamie Z Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Anyway, he reopened it just for you. Time to throw in your $.02. Done, although I wasn't planning to get involved anyway. Jamie Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 So the topic starter in a thread about a finder's right to log a critical find report on the cache page closed his thread because some of the posts were critical of him. The irony was exquisite. I was luxuriating in that rich irony when Jamie done went and demanded that it be reopened. Curse you! Link to comment
+Mopar Posted March 2, 2005 Author Share Posted March 2, 2005 You want irony? I guess posting "surely you cannot argue with me" and then locking the thread is one way to ensure nobody will argue with you or confuse you with facts. Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Well, he tried to argue with Fizzymagic about math. Not being a math genius, I learned long ago to shut up and just listen when Fizzy talks about math or statistics. Before arguing with Fizzymagic about math, I'd sooner do the following: -- Try to persuade Coyote Red to hide a lamp post micro at Wal-Mart. -- Convince TEAM 360 to start logging his finds. -- Demonstrate to TeamGPSaxaphone why it would be healthy to take a six-month break from forum posting. -- Ask GeoHo to turn in all her firearms at the next gun collection drive. Link to comment
Find Now, Log Later? Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 You want irony? I guess posting "surely you cannot argue with me" and then locking the thread is one way to ensure nobody will argue with you or confuse you with facts. Want more irony? One of your posts to that thread contains the same mathematical myth that has been busted in these threads dozens of times over the years. Link to comment
Find Now, Log Later? Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Incidentally, I'm not at all bothered by someone taking a parting shot and closing their thread. Why, it doesn't even bother me when the forum moderators or the website owner take parting shots and close threads in which they participated and made a mess of things. Link to comment
+fizzymagic Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Before arguing with Fizzymagic about math, I'd sooner do the following: -- Try to persuade Coyote Red to hide a lamp post micro at Wal-Mart. -- Convince TEAM 360 to start logging his finds. -- Demonstrate to TeamGPSaxaphone why it would be healthy to take a six-month break from forum posting. -- Ask GeoHo to turn in all her firearms at the next gun collection drive. Hee hee. My, I guess I do have a reputation! I confess that when I see incorrect math posted in a newbies forum, it gets my goat. Like I said in that thread, math tends not to be a matter of opinion. Maybe we should require people opining about geodesy to solve this little problem first. Link to comment
+treasure_hunter Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Things are getting way too personal in here. even better....Thanks Thats exactly why I took a break from the forums, I couldnt stand it, it is getting to be a problem. Link to comment
+klaus23 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Bumpity bump! I don't consider that a parting shot. That was a civil response to the last post you made, and since the thread was going nowhere I closed it. I've had a long trawl back through your posts Mopar. It seems you seek confrontation in just about every thread you enter. In some cases you are downright abusive. What's the point? I'm sorry, I resent being mentioned within this thread. There was no parting shot taken. It just annoys you that the discussion is closed as far as I am concerned. Link to comment
+Mopar Posted April 9, 2005 Author Share Posted April 9, 2005 (edited) Bumpity bump! I don't consider that a parting shot. That was a civil response to the last post you made, and since the thread was going nowhere I closed it. I've had a long trawl back through your posts Mopar. It seems you seek confrontation in just about every thread you enter. In some cases you are downright abusive. What's the point? I'm sorry, I resent being mentioned within this thread. There was no parting shot taken. It just annoys you that the discussion is closed as far as I am concerned. Doesn't annoy me at all! Curiosity really is getting the better of you. With all due respect, I cannot discuss specifics here. This is out of repect and consideration for the members of my community with whom I am discussing this (in a closed forum, before you go looking). It is also out of respect for the UK Admins who I am not, under no circumstances, going to undermine in public. It is also due to the fact that none of it has anything whatsoever to do with you. Also, one of my friends from the Irish forums tested the water on one of these "general" forums by seeking advice about one specific issue we are hoping to address. The thread descended into nonsensical drivel before producing one, single authoritative answer. Which is why all of this will not be discussed in public. You're the one who brought it up in public. You have 100 caches a year in the entire country and you posted that you feel you need 2 local approvers to handle it. It's not about the number of caches. It's not about the performance of the current reviewers. It's not about knowing local laws and regs. Nope it's none of those; it's a secret. Everyone in the country is discussing this horrid affair in a secret forum, and it's so important we had to post here. But we can't tell you, because, well, it's a secret. You asked for the reviewers and you got an answer. You asked the worldwide community, and it sounds like you got the same answer. You asked the people who run the website and you got the same answer. Of course, maybe if you let the world in on your secret, you would get an answer you liked. Or not. Edited April 9, 2005 by Mopar Link to comment
+Runaround Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 You could see it coming from a mile away. Link to comment
Tahosa and Sons Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Hey Bronco Nut when are you coming North and doing some camping. I think we could have a good discussion about caches and leave the rest of them in the dust. I'll be camping and hiding a few different ones next month so come North and we will go to the hills with the kids. Link to comment
+Team Perks Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Who knew I'd get to use this image again so soon? Link to comment
+carleenp Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Hey Bronco Nut when are you coming North and doing some camping. I think we could have a good discussion about caches and leave the rest of them in the dust.I'll be camping and hiding a few different ones next month so come North and we will go to the hills with the kids. Tahosa: Mom will be at Ranger Lakes Campground over Cameron Pass Tue-Thur or so. If you want to drive up and meet her she might still get an email before she leaves tomorrow morning. Or they will likely be around in the evenings. PM me if you want her cell number. Link to comment
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