Pipanella Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 We have an awesome place near us to hide a cache. There is a creek, with a narrow band of woods running on each side of it. You can start at a bridge, and follow the creek, or there is a mud lane that goes part-way back, until it dead-ends a couple hundred feet short of the creek. The mud lane is an extension of a paved county road. I would like to hide the cache somewhere along the creek (not anywhere that is in danger of flooding), with access to the cache either by starting at the bridge, or parking along the mud lane. My question is...do I need to get permission from either of the farmers that have fields adjacent to the creek? Or is anyone allowed to roam freely alongside a creek? It's not a small creek, but not as large as a river, either. Quote Link to comment
+BalkanSabranje Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Depends on where you are. Here, you have the right to use (i.e. walk, sit, sleep) in any forest. If it's not a forest, you have to ask or risk getting sued. BS Quote Link to comment
+fly46 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Even if they don't own it, you might want to give them a heads up that there is a cache there so they don't happen across it and toss it and so if they see people looking through the bushes they know what's going on. Quote Link to comment
magellan315 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 If you have to cross through the fields that are owned by the farmers to get the creek(Does the creek run between these properties?) Than yes you do. The fields are private property and people will be trespassing. This may not seem like much until a property owner calls the police. Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 (edited) No, you don't have to cross over the fields to get to it. You can follow the creek right from the bridge. The fields are just adjacent to either side of the creek. We've gone walking back there many times, but it's in a pretty remote location, by 'urban' standards. I would say the maximum number of cars that travel the road that it's off of in a typical day are maybe 40 (unless there's a funeral, as there is a cemetery about half a mile away). That figure might even be high. It's not in a forest by any means. This is big time farming country, so the woods around here aren't anything you could even get lost in. Just a patch here or there, or in clumps along rivers and creeks. Edited April 8, 2004 by Pipanella Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 It all depends on who owns the land. If the creek is part of the property of either of the farmers, you had better ask, lest the people who come looking for it get nailed for trespassing. If it's state, or county land and there are no regulations regarding geocaching then place away. Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 During deer hunting season, there have been hunters back there, but that doesn't mean they had permission, either. People around here are pretty laid back, but I think I'll try to find out who owns the fields and play it safe. Quote Link to comment
+SnowLeopard Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 If the cache location is public property, and you can keep cachers from trampling over private property, you should be ok. My cache can be accessed by several different ways, but only one doesn't involve crossing private property. I made my cache offset so I could "lead" the cacher in and out through the public property. Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 21, 2004 Author Share Posted April 21, 2004 I guess I always thought that along creeks and rivers WAS public property, at least for several feet, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know what the ruling on that is? Quote Link to comment
xrays1 Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 I don't know about where you are but in most states all public waterways, such as rivers and creeks, and a certain distance from the edge of the water are owned by the state, making them public property for the most part. In Texas its 6 feet from the waters edge. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 (edited) I guess I always thought that along creeks and rivers WAS public property, at least for several feet, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know what the ruling on that is? You can only own up to the normal high water mark. The Army Corps of Engineers has jurisdiction the rest. (As I understand it) For all intents and purposes though that means permission requirements are based on the adjoining lands. Edited April 21, 2004 by Renegade Knight Quote Link to comment
+JeepCachr Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Is this creek big enough to be considered a waterway? Quote Link to comment
+Bullzeye Posted April 21, 2004 Share Posted April 21, 2004 Is the creek large enuff to float a boat on? Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 21, 2004 Author Share Posted April 21, 2004 It's large enough to canoe down. I wouldn't classify it as a river, but it's more than a ditch. LOL. Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 22, 2004 Author Share Posted April 22, 2004 As luck would have it, I was scoping out the hide location yesterday, and here comes this tractor down the lane. He stopped, because he undoubtedly wanted to know why my car was parked there, so I told him what I was doing and asked him if it was his land that I was looking around on, and he said no, but he knew whose it was. Turns out it belongs to the dad of the girl who babysat every day for our kids! I called him and he's perfectly fine with it being there. He'd never heard of geocaching, but thought it sounded interesting. So........my multi is now hidden and awaiting approval! Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 22, 2004 Author Share Posted April 22, 2004 APPROVED! Poohsticks Bridge Quote Link to comment
+JeepCachr Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 APPROVED! Poohsticks Bridge I love the theme and can't wait for a chance to play poohsticks on the next bridge I come across. I'm glad you got your cache approved by the land owner and this site. It sounds like a good one. Quote Link to comment
+robert Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 If there's a chance people might trespass, post parking coordinates just to be on the safe side. Congrats on getting permission and approval, and even more so, THANKS for getting approval. Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 There's not really a problem with trespassing, it's just that if they drive to the actual cache, there's a dirt lane, and when it's been raining, it gets muddy, of course, and the landowner would prefer that people don't 'rut it up.' There is a grassy area big enough to park on, just after you turn into the lane, so there's no need to drive down the lane, but I told the landowner I would specify not to drive if it's muddy. I can't wait to hear about the first person to attempt this one. It's really very easy, but I went by the GC.com guidelines for rating difficulty, and it being a multi bumped it up a bit. I don't think the whole thing is difficult at all, but as I've said before, sometimes the easy ones trip me up! It would have been better if the cache box was a little smaller, but it still works. As for the Pooh theme, I collect Winnie-the-Pooh books in foreign languages ( I have over 25 different translations) and also the old ones. I don't do Disney Pooh, though. (Yeah, I'm a classic Pooh snob...LOL). Disney Pooh isn't the REAL Pooh. Quote Link to comment
RedHillian Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Getting a little OT here, but as a fellow 'proper Pooh' fan, have a look at [GC2947] - it's The original Poohsticks bridge, that A.A. Milne wrote about - right in the heart of Pooh's territory (aka The Ashdown Forest in Sussex, UK) - if you search based on the co-ords for that one, you find a whole load more caches themed similar! Hope you enjoy looking, even if it's from a long way away! Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 Getting a little OT here, but as a fellow 'proper Pooh' fan, have a look at [GC2947] - it's The original Poohsticks bridge, that A.A. Milne wrote about - right in the heart of Pooh's territory (aka The Ashdown Forest in Sussex, UK) - if you search based on the co-ords for that one, you find a whole load more caches themed similar! Hope you enjoy looking, even if it's from a long way away! Yeah, after I did my cache, I did do such a search, because I figured there had to be a ton of Pooh-themed caches. SOMEDAY, I WILL get to the real Poohsticks Bridge! I used to have a Pooh website. That is, until I forgot to pay my annual renewal for my webspace on it. (DUH) I'll get it back up and running soon. I was actually interviewed and quoted by Phil Kloer the Atlanta Journal-Constitution for an article they ran on Pooh's 75th birthday. It was carried by Cox News Service and the article ran in other papers, including a Toronto, Canada paper. It was my 15 minutes of fame. The ever-popular Pooh 75 years ago, endearing book launched love affair with bear Author: PHIL KLOER; Staff Date: October 12, 2001 Publication: The Atlanta Journal and The Atlanta Constitution Page Number: E1 Word Count: 1248 Once upon a time, a very long time ago now, about last Friday, Winnie-the-Pooh lived in a forest all by himself under the name of Sanders. -- A.A. Milne Actually, it was 75 years ago, on Oct. 14, 1926 to be precise, when A.A. Milne published a children's book titled "Winnie-the-Pooh," a collection of slight and charming tales about an easygoing bear and his menagerie of friends in the 100 Acre Wood: Tigger, Eeyore, Piglet, Rabbit, Owl and of course, You have to pay to see the whole archived article now. Quote Link to comment
+SixDogTeam Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 If you walk down the middle of the creek, you won't be tresspassing. Quote Link to comment
Pipanella Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 So come on over and walk through it. Quote Link to comment
+SixDogTeam Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Will "Proud Mary" fit in it? (Our Canoe) Quote Link to comment
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